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Discussion: knob cuff

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Aug. 31, 2007
Skins6
Men's 55
34 posts
knob cuff
"2007 Rule Changes
Just got my 2007 Rule book.
Now I can start breathing easier. Now Knob Cuff/Grip/Rip are now legal."

Fred or anyone. I think they are legal, also. Where can I find this rule?
Skins6
Aug. 31, 2007
taits
Men's 65
4253 posts
Might help if we knew which assn you read it in. Wording is different in some of the assns for the cuffs etc and there are alot of assns out there.
Aug. 31, 2007
Skins6
Men's 55
34 posts
"2007 Rule Changes
Just got my 2007 Rule book.
Now I can start breathing easier. Now Knob Cuff/Grip/Rip are now legal."

I haven't read it yet. I saw this quote in one of Fred's messages. I would like to know ASA and SSUSA.
Aug. 31, 2007
taits
Men's 65
4253 posts
The ASA home page doesn't even have a link to their rules. Probably because they always change.
They have their "Code", but no rules.
Haven't seen one here.
Aug. 31, 2007
taits
Men's 65
4253 posts
Still do not say which book you have, but you might want to read it what ever it is & let us know.
As for '07 ASA, I do not have a book, but in the '06 rules book, cuffs are considered altering a bat.
I've played many ASA senior tourneys in CA, and use one on all my bats, haven't been called on it yet. Same with SSUSA.
Aug. 31, 2007
Fred Scerra
Men's 80
542 posts
It is in the SSUSA 2007 rule book. I don't have the book in front of me but I will find it and post the rule #. It should be under altered bats if I remember right.
Aug. 31, 2007
taits
Men's 65
4253 posts
In the '06 ASA book it's Rule 3, section 1, app J, Altered bats.
Should be close in the '07 ASA book.
Sept. 1, 2007
Mitch
Men's 50
68 posts
I've got the 2007 ASA rule book and this will probably add to the confusion. Rule 3 (equipment) Section 1 (Official bat) Para. H (safety grip) says, in part, "The Safety Grip may be a molded finger-formed grip as long as it is permanently attached to the bat or attached to the bat with safety tape." It also says, "A bat having a "flare" or "cone" grip attached will be considered an Altered Bat."
I think it now raises the question, what is a "molded finger-formed grip".
I didn't find anything mentioned about a "knob cuff" so I'm not sure if this helps or not.
Good Luck
Sept. 1, 2007
taits
Men's 65
4253 posts
I beleive here we are referring to the cuffs and grips of all kinds a player can add to theid bat under the knob for the purpose of grip confort., nothing else.
That's why I use them.
In the ASA '06 book is also mentioned permanently fixed at the time of manufacture is ok. Only one company has bats that have a taper cloce to a cone or cuff.
I can really see the stink comming if it comes to a shoe down on these when another one is brought up, the number of bat grip tape layers. More than two layers are are considered altering. I know a lot of players who have 5-6 or more tape layers just because they prefer a thick handle.
All the cuffs I've seen or have are molded, but some some have a rippled moulded area for two fingers to lay in, some are just a cone, a flat taper, and another one is split with a ring attached to it . This one wraps on the bat like the others would but alot easier to apply, and you stick your pinkey finger in the ring it has. In doing so when you hit the ball the taper comes off the bat and stays with the batter attached to his finger, when he lets go of the bat.
It's not on the bat after he lets go of it. Unless of course the ring breaks.
Sept. 1, 2007
Fred Scerra
Men's 80
542 posts
Don't get the Assoc mixed up. ASA and USSSA they are still illegal. In SSUSA and NSA they are legal. In NSA you have to tape over them for some reason.

Rule Sec 8 - H "A "flare or "cone" grip attached to the bat will be permissible as long as it is manufactured. Tapering into a cone will be consider altered (Must mean using tape).

I hope this clears it up
Sept. 1, 2007
taits
Men's 65
4253 posts
They sure make clear and understandable, don't they.
I haven't run into any troubles ...yet.
But also play very few other than SSUSA or ncssa.
Will play NSA next weekend, who knows there?
Sept. 2, 2007
Skins6
Men's 55
34 posts
Thanks for the info.
Skins6
Sept. 3, 2007
theking00
8 posts
pretty sure no knob cuffs can be used in asa which i really dont understand.
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