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Discussion: unlimited arc

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Sept. 5, 2007
boomer1
Men's 55
14 posts
unlimited arc
What do you all think of using an unlimited arc, with the mat and then use any bat you want. Might do away with all the bat controversy.
Sept. 5, 2007
taits
Men's 65
4387 posts
Imo, about the only thing it would remove are the calls for excessive height.
Sept. 5, 2007
Horace T.
Men's 50
2 posts
Boomer, I've played many years w/unlimited arc and it brings pitchers back into the game. A good pitcher that can throw a high arc for strikes makes a big difference on the outcome of the game. That's a good option w/any bat . . . or how about just going back to wood bats and forget all this nonsense about trying to find the best bat - that will probably not last a season anyway? Either of these options would make a pitcher's life easier on the mound.
Sept. 5, 2007
taits
Men's 65
4387 posts
The only places I've been able to use it is in church league & their tournaments.
A good pitcher can hit the mat & or plate, no matter if the calls are by height or strike zone.
Sept. 5, 2007
Hit the gap
Men's 60
146 posts
If memory serves me correctly, ASA tried this for a year or 2 back in the late 70's. It was universally hated by everyone except pitchers and promptly done away with. I'm not sure how this would have any impact on the bat "controversy" other than having fewer well struck balls.
Sept. 5, 2007
boomer1
Men's 55
14 posts
When I first started playing in the early 70's our league was unlimited arc without a mat. Made for good games, lots of singles and doubles, pitcher would be able to be a 5th infielder and actually covered 2nd base on double plays sometimes. There were homeruns, not nearly as many as we see today.
Sept. 5, 2007
taits
Men's 65
4387 posts
I remember those times, & I can still cover the bases unlike some pitchers out there.
Who do you play for?
Sept. 5, 2007
taits
Men's 65
4387 posts
Caught the team name on another post but where from?
Sept. 5, 2007
boomer1
Men's 55
14 posts
I play for Armand's in Maryland
Sept. 5, 2007
T-REX
64 posts
Oh Nooooo...why not bring back open fields and wooden bats,I played in the open field world series years ago...its not the arc
Sept. 5, 2007
Ken
Men's 55
462 posts
And while you’re at it tell the batters that are short that almost all the pitches that will be called strikes will be all but un-hittable. It was a dumb rule then just like it would be now. The only people that like it are the pitchers. It makes everyone take too many pitches and we’ll never go seven. Take this from an outfielder who hates standing there watching the pitcher throw “jarts”.
Sept. 5, 2007
bogie
Men's 55
154 posts
I play 95% of my ball as unlimited in Wisconsin. You can learn to hit the ball here decently, but pitchers DO dominate. We have pitchers that throw up to 45 feet up. Usually a 3 ball, 2 strike count but a ball hitting the mat is a strike and any foul ball or swing and a miss is a strikeout. We played a team in an earlier tournament and our pitcher struck out 5 of the last 6 batters in the championship. We play unlimited homeruns with ASA bats and balls. The game is great for it keeps a balance between weaker hitting teams with agood pitcher and power teams with a weaker thrower. Ultrimately, its a hitters game and guys can hit about any pitch when hot. Its the most brutal when the sun is over the pitchers shoulder. You dont even see the ball come down in those situations. Also a con, is that its sometimes hard to switch back to limited arc hitting.
Sept. 6, 2007
DCPete
234 posts
Given the choice next year, I'd rather try playing unlimited arc with Ultras, or at least Freaks & Syn 2's, over playing 6' to 12' with the 98mph bats ASA will allow. All pitching & safety issues aside, the game is just a lot more fun to play when you can hit with a good bat and fun should be the main reason we participate. Besides, I've yet to play a regular game where an umpire was able to consistently call the 12' arc correctly.
Sept. 6, 2007
Enviro-Vac
Men's 60
399 posts
Lets leave the game alone. It's fun to play it the way it ii. I don't pitch though...LOL

Unlimited arc sounds like a bad idea.
Sept. 6, 2007
Cognac Lite
Men's 50
32 posts
Unlimited Arc: I WILL RETIRE. As a 19 year old kid in 1974, I almost quit the game of softball because of the unlimited arc. I was 6'3" at the time. I can imagine what it would have been like had I been a gnome (LOL). I have nothing against short people; my girl is short (LOL). Slowpitch is supposed to be a hitter's game.

It is my opinion that the arc would not have any impact on the bat controversy. As long as man is breathing, there will be a BAT DOCTOR who will find a way, regardless of whether the bat is made of wood or bamboo. Therefore, someone will always, UNFORTUNATELY, have a hot bat.

This is a little off the subject, but Taits stated, "calls for excessive height". I recall playing in Canada and the base umpire made the ball/strike call as it related to height. There was a wire extending across the backstop which was the height of the ceilng for a strike. That would have an impact on excessive height and create consistency. Just something to think about.

Horace T, I had to respond to you because you have such a great first name (LOL). As for a pitcher making a difference in a game, he needs to work on his pitching like hitters work on their hitting. If a pitcher hit the front of the plate and the back of the mat consistently, he will be pretty effective.

Just a little tidbit from the Sunshine State. Horace J
Sept. 6, 2007
Gary Heifner
248 posts
I play and pitch in a 14" league with unlimited. All the players are young guns except me. Very talented softball players in 12". It is fun for for the pitcher and that is it. A good night produces 6 or 7 runs for the winner. Defense totally rules. It is rather boring. If the pitcher is off a little, it produces a lot of walks and a very long night. After 40 years of 12" ball, I would be more in favor of dropping the senior arc limit to 6 to 10 feet. There isn't an ump in the nation who really knows what a 12 foot arc looks like. In a few of the tournies I have been in that had a 6 to 10, the umps seemed to have a more consistant handle on the 10 foot look-arc.
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