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Discussion: The price of winning....

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Sept. 5, 2007
T-REX
64 posts
The price of winning....
In two of the past four years I have had friends ,former softball teammates ,that have coached teams in the little league world series,granted this has nothing to do with softball,but please bear with me if you will.I have seen kids hitting home runs with half swings,inear check swings,its not technique but technology...the bat companys have to figure out ways to out do each other because they sell more bats,its there business.Its the problem plagued by the game of softball for years,people have been hurt because of it some even died,when is enough enough? Do one of these kids have to be seriously injured before someone realizes that reaction time is indeed a real and serious problem? I have seen many posts on here about what to do about pitching,hitting the middle etc.,when in actuallity the problem is the lack of concern by the assocations to not only defend its players not only by fair play but safely.What do you, the players ,I respect because you honor the game you have spent all your lives playing think about finally doing something about not only altered bats but bats altered by the manufactor...whats the price of winning?
Sept. 5, 2007
doker
Men's 60
168 posts
HEY T-REX...I ALSO NOTICED HOW THE KIDS WERE HITTING HOMERS ON HALF SWINGS....BUT THAT DOESN'T REALLY MEAN THE SAME AS US SENIORS HITTING A SOFTBALL WITH THE ULTRAS...THE KIDS ARE SO CLOSE AND THE BASEBALL IS A REALLY BAD PROJECTILE THATS SOMETHING FOR THE LITTLE LEAGUE TO ADDRESS...BUT WITH US SENIORS THE ONLY TIMES WE USE THE GOOD BATS ARE IN TOURNAMENTS AS ALMOST ALL LEAGUES DON'T ALLOW THESE AWESOME BATS. TOURNAMENT TEAMS HAVE THE ELITE PLAYERS PLAYING IN THEM AND THE RUN OF THE MILL PLAYER IS NOT SUBJECT TO THESE BATS. AS A TOURNAMENT PLAYER I WANT TO BE ABLE TO USE THE BEST EQUIPMENT I CAN BUY AND THAT IS WHY WE VOTED IN THE USE OF THESE BATS A FEW YEARS AGO.AS FAR AS I KNOW THERE HAS BEEN NO SIGNIFICANT NUMBERS OF SERIOUS INJURIES BECAUSE OF THEM....I SURE HOPE WE DON'T OUTLAW THE ULTRAS AS THEY MAKE THE GAME MORE FUN FOR ME!!!!
Sept. 5, 2007
CAT
148 posts
Interesting that you brought up the bat issue with Little Leaguers...I, also, noticed the HR distance and the bat that was used. When Venezuela lost and gave their "hot bats" to Japan for their usage, you could see the drastic change with the Japanese kids hitting it out. I was so concerned about the kid's safety, that that exact night, I emailed ESPN, ABC, and Little League headquarters about the kids safety. Afterall, at their age, that is there most critical time for bone growth and muscle development...Needless to say, all my emails, apparently, fell upon deaf ears...$$$$
Sept. 6, 2007
STONEMAN
Men's 50
535 posts
T-REX & CAT: If, I remember: 1) Composite Bats r ligther & the younger & smaller players r able to swing the lighter Composite Bats faster. Some of these bats r a -10 oz. WHEN WE WERE KIDS, WE SWUNG HEAVIER BATS......

2) 2-4 yrs ago, lil' league baseballs were made 15% softer. These balls were not distance balls.

3) Lil' League Fences, have been moved back 25 ft.

4) The NCAA, is in the process or has gotten their NCAA balls reduced to travel only 390 ft.

5) 2-4 yrs ago, the NCAA, came up w/ the -3 rule. This rule states: A 34 inch bats must weigh @ least 31 oz. A 33 inch bat must weigh @ least 30 oz.

If, one is will' to check out the follow' topics, one may get a better picture.

A) NCAA BASEBALL B) EASTON SPORTS & SAFER EQUIPMENT C) Dr. LARRY NOBLE & EASTON SPORTS
D) LITTLE LEAGUE BASEBALL

Better equipment, ligther bats, better teach' tech', & parents that have more money than common sense. ( Baseball & Softball Camps)

GOOD LUCK......... The STONEMAN....
Sept. 6, 2007
T-REX
64 posts
Thanks for the input guys,I just thought it was an interesting observation.It opens many other questions, like bat speed versus timing? Are the governing associations concerned over the health & welfare of the game or is it just a business? I know you have noticed that there are less and less players competing nationwide,its all about money and the players and team sponsors are footing the bill to maintain the game while the game suffers because of it.Bat companies are in busines to make money,but at who's expense.I love the game,but seriously,its broke and needs to be fixed if you think not then travel to play to a tourney and 3 teams are there in your class...its the price of winning
Sept. 6, 2007
Hit the gap
Men's 60
142 posts
Here is a link to USA baseball and Little League's stand on this issue. There is not one shred of evidence to support a ban of bats and little league does not support any type of ban.

Please take the time to cut and paste or simply type this link into your browser. I think it will shed some light on the misconceptions I see posted here.

http://www.littleleague.org/media/USAB_Youth_Committee_Statement.asp
Sept. 6, 2007
T-REX
64 posts
Hmmmm..I did read it and thank you for bringing it to the discussion,but seriously I only believe half of what I read and trust 50 % what I see.When an infielder reacts to a ball when the outfielder is picking it up,theres a problem or a line drive zooms by your pitchers head with no reaction,theres a problem...on any level.It'd be a great world if everyone was being honest,unfortunately that is not the case. In softball it is different I will agree,I played super major when I was younger and one company used calipers before the bats were capped and pulled the thin walled ones out for there top sponsored teams,another would alter the bat to suit your personal tastes and they were loaded accordingly and documented for future builds.We all have seen the "HOT BAT" passed down through a line up,why would that be?I have seen bats in senior softball that the barrel ring wouldn't even fit over the barrel and they were allowed.Kids are attracted to what the bat looks like,how cool it is,but if all the bats were the same,they'd produce the same or similiar results....seeing is believing and I am not a believer...
Sept. 6, 2007
Hit the gap
Men's 60
142 posts
T-Rex. I agree with you on believing 50% of what you read and hear these days. Everyone seems to have an adgenda to promote.

One thing we seem to be leaving out of the picture is the size and ability of todays athletes from Little Leaguers up through Seniors. They are all bigger stronger and faster. The training is way better. You never used to see Seniors in the gym. Now when I go, half of them are over 50.

Did you see the size of some of those 12 year olds? Some of the plays they made would have made any Major League player proud. I think this has a lot to do with more homers and harder hit balls.
Sept. 6, 2007
softballer
Men's 55
560 posts
i don't think that a hr has ever injured a player what has happened is they took the hr out of the game and now THE MIDDLE IS OPEN! start rating players and don't let upper guys in the lower division!

BRING BACK THE HOME RUN AND PLAY BALL!
Sept. 6, 2007
taits
Men's 65
4305 posts
softballer, well put, is a taks where the information is already at hand. It just needs to be implamented.
Sept. 6, 2007
T-REX
64 posts
Bravo softballer...they took the HR out of the game because the umpires complained about the length of the games! I agree also about player rating as well as team rankings,but its not going to happen,never has never will unfortunately.thanks to you guys for responding,of course we resolved nothing,however it did indeed show one thing...we care enough about the game to put in our two cents worth...but its not enough to buy the changes needed to the game we all love...good luck during the rest of your season!
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