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Discussion: state of the game

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Sept. 9, 2007
monty25
Men's 55
96 posts
state of the game
Just being a player for 1 year now ,I see there are the things that need to be worked on. 1 there are several big tourneys bunched together so the #'s are down in all ages. 2-teams wanting to play down when they have the ablity to play tougher competition.3-the ratings summit needs to reavaluate there system ,take in the act of the skill level of the players comprising the teams.As I am saying this is just my observation. I loved playing this game ,enjoy the friendships made. In closing ,Our team had a rough time in Dalton ,we got better in each game ,My teammates left feeling that we gave it our all and had agreat time. Best of luck to all in the future. Monty25
Sept. 9, 2007
rabbit
Men's 65
296 posts
Hi Monty, I agree with you on all accounts, I am like you, I love this game ,if I didnt i would not be putting out all the money and time it takes to play a good schedule, Even with a good team this year I have been frustrated with some of the tourneys , mainly lack of teams, different rules,next day change rules, players and teams playing down, poor management of the tourneys , too many tourneys, cost of tourneys are getting to high, leaving the teams without sponsors out in the cold, since they can only play a few limited number of tourneys, there fore lack of teams in the tourneys.. It is still about the money.

That is my opinion of the state of the senior game after being in it for 9 years now.

I do like meeting new friends, old friends,playing with friends, going to new places to play, playing new teams, staying in shape, but I guess that if we are on the right side of the grass, nothing really else matters in the game of Softball except seeing the sunlight and smelling the grass. as one of my players told me after we got beat yesterday and I agree even if it does hurt just a little.

Rabbit
Sept. 9, 2007
jah#4
Men's 55
551 posts
Monty
good to see you again, From the first game I saw your team play they did seem to get better. We do need to get a little better in senior ball to get more teams in each tourney we play But there are more teams in AAA than the Major division.
After seeing some of the final teams in the 50 brkt they are good team and they could play with the 55 majors, but they would have been totally out class in the 50 majors in KC this past year. The Major 55 team there this weekend would have been in the lower 1/3 of the 55 field this year in the 55 major brkt in KC in my observation.
Hope to see you again
Don Ward
Kayson Grille #4
Sept. 9, 2007
monty25
Men's 55
96 posts
Rabbit,Don Great comments ,If the powers that be will listen to our voices maybe things can change for the better. As you said Rabbit we should all be thankful that we can still play this game we love. Don ,with your years being in senior ball Ihope your input will also be honored. Good luck in Vegas Rabbit ,Hope to see you some where this winter Don .God Bless All. Monty25
Sept. 9, 2007
Leoslocks
Men's 60
45 posts
Monty, the SilverHawks crew was getting better with each tournament. Every one of you did better than me. At least you were healthy enough to attend! Greetings to Billy and the rest of the team.

If SPA or any other organization ran their circuit as well as Rabbit runs his team, all the players would be rated. It would not be difficult to rate a 750 hitter with an 850 OBP and 30 home runs as Major talent. Neither would it be difficult to rate any of the players in the league as the statistics for each game of every tournament would be a mouse click away. Cheers to Indiana Classics for an outstanding season. I will bet that several teams at Dalton had 6+ Major talent players on the field.

What is difficult is being self sponsored and building(and qualifying) a tournament team that can compete with all the major talent in AAA. I feel that $PA has sold out the spirit of competition to the bigger sponsors. This is an opportunity for SSUSA to step up and establish a rating system for players and teams. Build a level field and we will come(as long as we are on the right side of the grass).

Lefty; I have no plans of retiring... if I can work, I can Play! It is just that I feel so fragile and am profoundly aware of the Grace of God at work in my life.
Sept. 10, 2007
Enviro-Vac
Men's 60
391 posts
I think tournaments tend to sort themselves out. The better tournaments & locations will always attract more teams over time.

What I keep hearing when I talk to players is that no one wants to play Major because of the lack of teams. Based on many of the team I have seen playing AA and AAA over the years I would suggest that half of them in both divisions, including our team, be moved up a division. Track the rosters of the teams that are moved up and make sure they don't change the name and drop down without a major roster change. Teams that are not a club team should be automatically moved up a division. By club team I mean a team that plays together with all their players in a league (perhaps allow 2 additions to the roster).

Just my opinion.

JK
Sept. 10, 2007
cmarsh
Men's 50
5 posts
Maybe one of the problems with not enough teams, is it's too hard for most guys to find a team in their area. At least that's my problem. Why isn't there some place that lists the teams by area, with the manager's name and number, and where and when they play? I live in an area with a huge population of older people (Orange County, CA), and I feel like I have to belong to the FBI or CIA to successfully hunt these teams down. The few leads I've gotten have not returned my calls or emails, so I can only conclude that they don't need anybody. I've been playing on an any-age D level city rec team in Irvine for years (in fact, I manage it). There are probably a hundred teams in that city alone, but NONE for 50+. Ditto for most of the other cities. I heard Huntington Beach and Newport Beach have leagues for older players, but I can't find any contact info. This is the best website for Senior Softball I've found, but even this one is woefully lacking in any really useful information on how to find a team. I'm sure once you're on a team, it's a great site, but I've been left out in the cold, looking in. There must be hundreds of guys my age who love to play, but who either have no idea where to look, or who have given up in frustration, like I'm about to. I'm just looking for a team within a reasonable distance where I can play every week. I don't have the time or money to go to tournaments hundreds or thousands of miles away, which is what this web site seems to cater to.
Sept. 10, 2007
Enviro-Vac
Men's 60
391 posts
That's a great idea cmarsh. Huntsman has a page up that does that. A link along that line would be real useful on this web site as well. The SSUSA Message Board serves a valuable tool to get ideas like yours across.

http://www.hwsg.com/teamfinder.html?eventID=10
Sept. 10, 2007
taits
Men's 65
4337 posts
If you lived up north the ncssa assn has that list available: team names and contact info.
also rostered players along with a search for player by name to see if he is rostered on some team.
But what they do not offer is a listing for players and or teams looking for each other.
I've used the Huntsman page for 4 years and it works well.
Only wish I would of done it 10 years ago.
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