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Discussion: Bring back 3 game Round Robins !!??

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Nov. 18, 2007
CAT
148 posts
Bring back 3 game Round Robins !!??
I believe that the organizations need to bring back the three game RRs. Sure, SSUSA gives you five total games, if you loose the first two games in the tourn., they then give you the extra game. However, by playing the 3 RR games before the double elim., it gives everyone an opportunity to get some games in before the start of the tourn. I have been reading the message board for the past few years and I have seen more and more disgrunted players than ever before. I feel that it is because they are not getting enough playing time. And please do not use the excuse that the addtional game tires you out. We all should be in good enough shape to play or you should consider the subservient role of coaching bases.
Nov. 18, 2007
Enviro-Vac
Men's 60
394 posts
I agree 100% Cat. When we travel to a destination we are going there to play...the more games the better. I too would prefer 3 RR games (or more) and a double-knock rather then the current formula. That may well mean though that SSUSA has to go back to 4-day weekends or more night-games, which could decrease the number of teams attending? ÖI donít know.

If the 2-RR game structure is considered necessary to get a tournament done in 3-days, then I'm OK with it as that extra 4th day does make it more difficult to get players to travel and our team likes to travel.
Nov. 20, 2007
OREO
Men's 60
88 posts
EVIRO, 5GAME GUARANTEE IS 5GAMES. 3 GAMES
1ST DAY, EITHER 2RR & 1ELIM, OR 3 RR IST DAY.
STILL COULD BE DONE IN 3 DAYS DEPENDING ON
HOW MANY TEAMS. PHOENIX WAS DONE IN 3 DAYS
AND LOTS OF TEAMS THERE. WE DON'T MIND
EITHER WAY. BUTTTT, WE DO MIND NOT HAVING
"2" UMPS FOR ELIMINATION GAMES!!!!!!!
Nov. 20, 2007
the wood
1079 posts
I cannot speak for all major + players but the majority of the ones that I have spoken with seem to dislike the 3 seeding games. It was fine in MN (SSWS) as we only had 4 teams in our division... so 3 seeding games worked out well.
We feel that we only need 2 games to prepare ourselves for the DE, which is why we're there. There seems to be zero correlation between winning seeding games and finishing in the top 2 positions. With this being the case, why string it our further?
Bear in mind that we have fewer teams in our division than the others so perhaps their (major, AAA, AA) feelings would be different.
Some major + guys take it one step further and say that a 4 game guarantee is plenty for a National Event. This is what SPA offers, as an example. Regional qualifiers and pre-season events? We'd be ok with a greater guarantee (i.e. 5 games).
BW
Nov. 20, 2007
OREO
Men's 60
88 posts
A FEW YEARS AGO THE SPA TOOK A SURVEY OF
MGRS. ON A "SMALL" VARIETY OF SUBJECTS.
AS MANY QUESTIONS & CONCERS THAT COME
UP ON THIS SITE AS WELL AS I'M SURE ON
THE SPA SITE, PERHAPS THE SUMIT SHOULD LOOK
AT THE POSSIBILITY OF A SURVEY ON A LARGER
SCALE TO GET ENOUGH INPUT FROM FROM
MANAGERS TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE PROBLEMS
EXPRESSED BY US ALL. WE NOR THEY WILL EVER
BE ABLE TO ADDRESS ALL CONCERNS, HOWEVER
THERE ARE MANY COMMON ISSUES TO BE
ADDRESSED.
Nov. 20, 2007
Dbax
Men's 60
1267 posts
At the Tournament of Champions, we came through the losers bracket after losing our first two games to win the tournament.

I am totally in favor of two seeding games and three game guarantee in the double elimination. The seeding games are pretty much meaningless anyway.
Nov. 26, 2007
wagon487
Men's 50
522 posts
the wood, how many teams were at the majors+ SSWC in MN?
I played for damons and we did win (55 major +) out in Palm Springs in 06 , (which is a great place for a tourny) did not go beacuse only one team had signed up.
Thanks
Nov. 26, 2007
wagon487
Men's 50
522 posts
SHOULD BE 50 not 55 in the above massage.
Nov. 26, 2007
the wood
1079 posts
Wagon:
you asked how many teams were in MN... in our division there were 4 (55 major +)... I do not know how many teams they had overall but I do know that their numbers were down. It was a much better event than the one in Palm Springs (2006)... better weather, better facilities, better format, etc.
Greg Maas (& SSWS) received a lot of feedback from PS and they remedied most of the previous problems. The only remaining issue was the 'ASA thing'. Because they used ASA rules (and its effect on equipment) there were teams that didn't attend. Secondarily, there were other teams that didn't go due to the decreased numbers... such as your team.
They have surveyed a lot of managers subsequent to the MN event and it is my very strong belief that the 2008 event will be something that we will all enjoy.
BW
Nov. 26, 2007
turn2
484 posts
I like the 2 game seeds and that is enough practice for my 60 guys. It is only practice and means nothing. Why tire yourself out for seeding games when the double elimanation is what matters.
thanks,
donnie
Spicer Properties / Turn Two
60 Major Plus
Nov. 26, 2007
wagon487
Men's 50
522 posts
THE WOOD, thanks for answering my question.
Plam Springs was nice, the fields, not so nice.
Nov. 26, 2007
audieh
Men's 60
241 posts
I totally agree with Bob Wood. Two round robin games and then start the tournament. The important thing for us is to end the tournament at a reasonable time on Sunday in case we are in the championship games so that we can get flights out starting at 6:00 PM.

Championship games starting after 1:00 PM require most of us getting back into Florida on Monday afternoon which results in another day of missed work and an extra night in a motel. I'd rather play late on Friday and Saturday and get out by 1:00 PM on Sunday.
Nov. 26, 2007
chollis
79 posts
Well said bro!
Nov. 27, 2007
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2647 posts
You also have my vote to play Friday and Saturday night in order to finish early Sunday afternoon!
Nov. 27, 2007
mad dog
Men's 60
3932 posts
i'm with ya alls with the getting done early on sunday,i watch the lvssa not get done till 8 pm for the 55AAA the first weekend of oct.thats not good for anyone but a local team.even the socal teams have a 4-5 hr drive back.
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