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Discussion: Las Vegas Winter Nationals

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Nov. 27, 2003
Red del
Men's 55
34 posts
Las Vegas Winter Nationals
Does anyone know the results of the Las Vegas Tournament?
Nov. 28, 2003
Tom
4 posts
Only one I know is the Jackson Merchants from Jackson, MI beat Ojai's Topa Topa from Ojai, CA 18 to 8 in the 50's division.
Nov. 28, 2003
Ken
Men's 55
462 posts
Uhhhh, gee......I think that that was a AA tournament. Can that be the same Jackson Merchants team that is rated AAA and competed in the AAA tourney in Mobile? How can it be that they played in the AA division in Vegas? When I emailed the SSUSA, Bill Reinecke said he would look into it and get back to me. I assume he is going to the link on this website (softballrating.com) to check what Jackson is rated at. I'm sure he'll be surprised to find they are AAA, but were allowed to enter the AA in Vegas. If I can check this out in under 2 min., why can't they screen team entries in so-called national tournaments, especially when there are only 11 teams in the tournament (10 of them were AA).

There was a AAA division in Vegas. Was it more important for this team to win than to "play by the rules" like the rest of us? Guess so. But we rely on SSUSA to run their tournaments to the best of their ability. There were alot of things in Vegas that could have been done better, but this is something that was within their control and they blew it. If ratings don't stand for something, then get rid of 'em and let the best team win. If Mr. Reinecke emails me back with a valid reason, I will post his answer. 'Til then, the whole thing stinks.
Dec. 1, 2003
Nancy Allen
Men's 55
616 posts
There were eleven teams in the division that you are discussing. There were nine AA teams and two AAA teams. Our team Indy FOG placed fifth and thought that overall it was a good tournament. It was awfully cold, but that may have been to Jackson's and Indy's advantage. They are a good, solid team and did very well against their competition from the west. Everyone knew that they were rated AAA from the manager's meeting.
Dec. 1, 2003
biggflyy
4 posts
There's no crying in slowpitch softball! The Jackson team did not sneak under an assumed name. The tournament (AA) was weak as a whole and the Jackson team only overwhelemed one team in the tournament.
Most of the players on that team are close to 60 and their IQ's are even less. Basically the tournament was won by older versions of the "Rainman".
Dec. 2, 2003
NoMiken
6 posts
On the contrary biggfly! It seems lately there is nothing but crying in slowpitch softball. Some of it is just whiney stuff but there is much to cry about from the last 2 SSWC tournaments. Sad outfit!
Dec. 4, 2003
Ken
Men's 55
462 posts
Talk about Rainmen, you completly miss the point. WHAT WAS A AAA TEAM DOING IN THE AA DIVSION? Who cares if it was known that they were triple a before the tournament. Who cares that they didn't overwhelm any of the teams. They are RATED AAA!. That means, for the thick ones out there, that they are supposed to play in the AAA division of the tournament, like they did in Mobile.

I reiterate, if the ratings don't work, or if people don't want them, get rid of them and let the best team win. But until then play by the rules. For some of you that's whining. For the rest of us, it's common sense.
Dec. 5, 2003
Nancy Allen
Men's 55
616 posts
My point was to stop the bashing of the Jackson Merchants; they did nothing wrong or underhanded. The last two years we went to Pensacola for the SPA winter tournament, and AA, AAA, and Major were mixed together; so we were not unhappy with the our bracket. It happens in running tournaments. The reason that we did not go to Pensacola this year was because after some rain only two teams including us in the "combined 50s" completed four games; the rest completed three instead of the five that we paid for. Instead of trying to finish it out, SPA handed us our trophies and left town which did not settle well with us. I felt like the SSWC tournament was a much better tournament, and there were not only more teams than all of the 50s in Pensacola; there were more teams in the bracket than SPA had for their 50 AA in Plano. So if we were there and are not complaining then why are you? Indy FOG was very pleased with the tournament overall, and we still congratulate Jackson, and we hope to see them (and you) in Indy in May. For us every day above the diamond is better than a day below it which is my point.
Dec. 6, 2003
Tom
4 posts
Thank you Nancy!
Dec. 9, 2003
Michael
Men's 55
18 posts
It doesn't matter if Jackson was a bunch of nice guys or a bunch of bad guys they were in the wrong bracket. The question I have is why doesn't our organization follow their own rules and guidelines for running a successful tournament? And I quote from Senior Softball News, "Guidelines for a Successful Tournament by Johnny Perry, a SSWC National Qualifier Tournament Director, Make the director aware of your team classification such as Major, AAA, AA, etc. (This is not your opinion of your team classification, but the rating given by the associations) If you report an incorrect classification it could result in improper scheduling. The tournament director cannot change your classification prior to tournament play. He/she can only give their opinion after watching your team play." The ratings seem to be pretty accurate to me after all a AAA team did win the AA division. However, SSWC didn't do as bad a job as LVSSA, they had at least 8 AAA teams in the AA bracket. And yes a AAA team won that AA tournament also. Answer this for me, why would a AAA team even want to be in a AA tournament in the first place?
Oh! Maybe that's it, they wanted to be in first place.
Dec. 9, 2003
Ken
Men's 55
462 posts
Tom, since it is obvious that you are on the Merchants, please tell us why your team entered the AA division. Maybe your team is going to be rated AA next year or some other valid reason. Since Bill Reinecke with SSWC still won't follow up with a reason you were allowed in the tournament (like he promised he would over 2 weeks ago) I would like to hear it from you. I'm sure it was a good reason. Your team seemed like a decent bunch, and I'm sure you can understand why other teams in the division were unhappy. Since you are rated AAA, and competed in AAA in the other tournaments, why AA in this one? Thanks.
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