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Discussion: letting team in toc that finished 2nd so you can have more team in the bracket were there is only 2 teams.

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Jan. 13, 2008
bigdog
Men's 70
40 posts
letting team in toc that finished 2nd so you can have more team in the bracket were there is only 2 teams.
why would not think of letting teams in bracket that have only 2 teams in them so we could have more teams to play. i sure you know that is a major problem with tourney now . there are no teams in bracket when we go to majors tourneys. how about letting the runners up in the tourneys that you have to win so you can play in the toc. i would like to hear some replys on this subject. thank you the big dog
Jan. 13, 2008
#19
Men's 60
252 posts
the tournament of champions and runners-up?... doesn't quite have the same ring to it!
Jan. 13, 2008
Fred Scerra
Men's 80
542 posts
I don't that is a such a bad idea. If the first place team can't go then let the 2nd place team go in its place.
Jan. 13, 2008
Enviro-Vac
Men's 60
391 posts
Maybe it should be called "Tournament of Finalists"?
Jan. 13, 2008
BOBBY 12
Men's 55
2 posts
i just don't understand that if the winning team alread has a berth to the toc, why not allow the berth to be passed down to the 2nd place team. i do not think anyone would have a problem with this,
Jan. 13, 2008
4x4
Men's 65
592 posts
Just as last years TOC champions cannot participate unless they've re-earned a berth a 2nd place finishing team does not belong in the TOC. It's not designed for 2nd place teams.
Either they've qualified for the TOC by taking 1st in a major tourney to put themselves there or they work harder to get to the next one. Otherwise, it just becomes another entry fee tourney.
Jan. 13, 2008
Enviro-Vac
Men's 60
391 posts
I think that if the first place team can't go 2nd place should be offered the opportunity but logistically, that could be hard to organize.

How much notice do you give the 2nd place team that they are able to go? Often the first place team may not know they are NOT going until a month or two before the TOC.
Jan. 13, 2008
smooth01
Men's 50
121 posts
If 2nd place teams were allowed in, then how could you call it Tournament of Champions? For that tournament, the rules wre made by the people who set it up, it's there tournament.
Jan. 13, 2008
DesertGuy
Men's 60
224 posts
Leave it as it is. I just can't get too excited by "Tournament of Champions and Almost Champions that Want to Play Even Thought They Didn't Qualify and Shouldn't Be There"
Jan. 13, 2008
4x4
Men's 65
592 posts
That's easy to answer. The participating teams are the champions of the respective major tournaments they WON in order to qualify for the TOC. That's why they coined the phrase "Tournament of Champions". It's not designed for the 2nd place/finalist/runners up. If they were allowed in then it, for sure, would not be the TOC.
It unfortunate that all the teams that earned the right to be there can't make it but to dilute it by putting the runner ups in would defeat the purpose of the TOC.
The teams that are there had to qualify by winning a major tournament. The teams that came in 2nd didn't accomplish that for this go around so didn't earn their way. Whether they came in second, third, fourth makes no difference - they didn't win and can't replace the teams that did.
Jan. 14, 2008
bashbro1
Men's 60
266 posts
Its done in the Miss USA Pageant!
Miss USA pageant rules state clearly that if the “winner” is removed or becomes unavailable for her duties during the course of the calendar year, then the first runner-up (i.e. “the whiner”) will assume the duties of Miss USA and complete the remainder of the beauty queen's reign.

Sincerely,
Mr. Donald Trump CEO

A simple fictitious word substitution for Miss USA for SSUSA TOC:
For any and all SSUSA division champions eligible for the TOC tournament that can’t fulfill their role in the TOC in Winter haven, FL, the rules should clearly state that if the division winner” is unavailable for their TOC opportunity then the first runner-up (i.e. “the last loser”) will assume the duties of the champion and can complete in the TOC to ensure brackets are full.

Sincerely,
Mr. Terry Hennessey CEO

By bashbro1 (who has successfully impersonated an attorney in the bar)
Jan. 14, 2008
DesertGuy
Men's 60
224 posts
Bashbro- There's a siginificant difference between replacing one pretty girl with another and replacing 15 ugly old guys with 15 more of the same!
Jan. 14, 2008
smooth01
Men's 50
121 posts
They allow crying @ the Miss USA Tournament,but not in Softball!
Jan. 14, 2008
Southpaw55
Men's 55
50 posts
I agree with Pete...I remember back in the 80's when USSSA would allow teams to "back in" to the State and National tournaments so there would be more teams. More teams equals more revenues. If a team finished first in a more than one tourney then the second place team earned a berth, etc., etc. Let's keep it as is.
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