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Aug. 19, 2004
batter4u
Men's 65
74 posts
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i just got done discussing the current bat and ball situation with some friends and what a mess. the team played in St. Geaoge over the weekend and the whole team only had a couple of bats they could all useeven thought they had several hundred $$ in their bags,,, now the same is happening in Des Moines, I 'm starting to question as to why i play this game, work out and practice just so i can go hit a crappy softball with a bat that is from Walmart, sorry Walmart,,,They say safty is a reason but most good hitters will go right up the midle if they know they can t get any distance on the ball, Daaah,,, would you drather pitch to a guy trying to go deep with a good bat and ball or a good hitter coming up the midle cause they know they can t hit the crappy ball out past the co-ed line.. golf is starting to look like more fun every day and if 1,000 guys switch to gol, thats $300,000 less bats,,,, just my feelings
Aug. 20, 2004
C-Man
Men's 55
36 posts
So what GOLF course do you want to meet me at? Here in Utah I have 6 Golf Course within 5 miles of my house and it's real cheap to Golf in Utah! FORE!
Aug. 20, 2004
Walk
192 posts
You are right! ASA and NSA are killing the game and that is why we seniors should only play where good bats or good balls are being used.

We should also get out and make our voices heard. The NSA has become worst than ASA in some respects and ASA is BAD!!!!!!!

Bottom line is if we the players who pay the bills start boycotting those tournaments that use these stupid rules then those associations will feel the pain in the place that hurts the most, the pocket book.

The SPA is using a 47/525 softball, the SSUSA is allowing the U2, the USSSA learned their lesson and used a good softball, and I hope the LVSSA is going to use a good ball. The bottom line is just play those associations and watch the others change. But that means everyone has to do this not just a few. We should also push for the summit to adopt one softball for everyone. A really good ball that is fair for everyone is a 44/525 softball. It should also be a brand name ball but not one made by Worth JMHO.

Well anyway just my thoughts. I would rather fight than go to golf but then again I suck at golf.
Walk
Aug. 20, 2004
armyho211
Men's 60
52 posts
we , the senior softball players, have got to say " NO MAS" ! , these bat bannings and low compression balls we are now been forced to use by the associations are getting out of hand. they must realize (or dont care), that we cant afford to keep buying bats every year. most of us are retired or getting close to retirement, and need to really watch our expenses.,but we play because we love the game. ARE YOU WILLING TO "STRIKE" IN 2005?? let's show these people ,that we dont NEED THEM, they need "US". we can keep busy in local regular league games . and i am sure,we have all have a lot of unfinish projects around the house that your wife has been after you to finish. i dont think the associations can survive without the senior players longer than a year. the question is : DO WE HAVE THE STONES TO DO IT!? WHAT SAY YOU?
Aug. 20, 2004
STONEMAN
Men's 50
535 posts
WALK: We @ LVSSA, have a problem. The ASA UMP's will not do our games any more. They want more money & back wages 4 games that they did not do last year. (Also, several of these UMP's want the SENIORS' to learn the game. U know, hit behind the runner, play defense, & not hit H.R's, etc.) So, the only group big enough to do our EVENT is NSA. Well, the high & mighty NSA STATE DIRECTOR in this state hates SENIORS, BILL, & TERRY. No MIKEN's, but, we r going to use a good ball. I have been informed that this ball will be a 47 cor Ball w/ a 525 comp. If, NSA, is really worried about safey, why does NSA not listen to WORTH, DUDLEY, U.S. DEPARTMENT of ENERGY, & other ball makers, plus B & N Softball, that 80% of NSA's balls r too hot. (ANY ball w/ a comp over 410, will go thru the infield before a player can react.) This statement comes from our message board.
WALK, THE LAST TIME I PALYED GOLF, took 6 1/2 hrs. for 18 holes.
Aug. 21, 2004
Walk
192 posts
Stone man, I know you guys are having umpire troubles. Hank told me you are kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place.

You know it might be easier to get umpires for your worlds from other areas. Anyway just a thought.

You guys are using a good ball and that is VG. If you allow the USSSA bat rules or close to it then everything should be fine. The problem comes as was stated earlier when you have to use crappy softballs and crappy bats or the NSA and ASA approved bats. What I don't understand is why don't these associations just use the ISF rules and the 44/525 ball? That solves the problem and it is that easy.

I agree on the strike thing. If we strike the associations that don't let us use good bats or good balls then they will be hurt real bad. Problem is we all would have to do it not just a few.

Stone last time I played golf I putted like I drove and that is not good.:)
Walk
Aug. 21, 2004
batter4u
Men's 65
74 posts
so no mikens in vegas next month, great, i just trades a new F-2 for a U-2, just another example of how the people that run senior softball don t give a ,,, cant use the word on here.. about the players on the field....i m aboutready to give up the game i have played for 4o years because the people that run it cant get their..... there's that word again...together and make the game for the players, not the bat companys, ball makers or umpire ass.s wouldn't car makes love it if there were laws that you could only drive a chevy on the even days af the week and fords on the odd,, daaah, remind you of ASA and Ussa. and yes i have bought my first set of golf clubs in 30 years,,, now i just need to learn how to hit the damm ball
Aug. 21, 2004
Mitch
Men's 50
68 posts
Hey batter4u, where did you hear or read that there are no Mikens in Vegas next month?
Aug. 21, 2004
STONEMAN
Men's 50
535 posts
I am a member of LVSSA. I have had the misfortune of tak' to the NSA's state director about SENIOR softball. I have also, talked to several board members about bats, balls & NSA. NSA will not let the best MIKEN bats & other top bats be used. PERIOD.
Aug. 21, 2004
Downs
49 posts
batter4u: as LVSSA is now a recognized member of the Summit, I would recommend your organization consider contacting Jim Sherman, SS-USA and ISA's UIC. He has a damn good umpire's association and they do travel. They will also be in Las Vegas immediately prior to the LVSSA Master's as they will be there for the SS-USA World in the end of Sept.
(Sherman's phone number is (253) 630-8924 and email is jsherman911@attbi.com). They prove to be better than ASA umps for the Senior Divisions. Dr. Jim Downs, Seattle ECM-65.
Aug. 21, 2004
Walk
192 posts
Stone and the LVSSA Jim has the solution to the problem. Get the out of state umpires and do your thing.

I am the state ISA director here in Missouri and Kansas and if you need to have this be an ISA tournament I can put you in touch with the right people or just call the numbers Jim posted.

Thanks Jim.
Walk
Aug. 21, 2004
STONEMAN
Men's 50
535 posts
I am friends w/ the NV's ISA DIRECTOR & THE WESTERN STATE's VP. Lance & Joey, just don't have enough Umps. During the week, L & J, can only get 2-3 Umps. Most of our ISA Umps r young & have day time jobs. As of a month or so, ago, the CONTRACT w/ NSA had not been signed by NSA,
Aug. 21, 2004
Downs
49 posts
Stoneman & Walk: it is too bad that we, as concerned senior softball players, must resort to such actions in order to maintain the integrity of softball. However, LVSSA is a victim of the proverbial "Tail wagging the Dog". Last year we played the LVSSA Masters (Emerald City Masters - 65's) and came back to the N/W feeling it was a quality run organization because their Officers "asked" the teams what they wanted in the way of enforcement "before" the tournament began. In essence, they listened to the players. It is a shame to hear they lost control to "power hungry umpires". We wish you the very best in your 2004 Nationals. If it stays the direction it is headed, you can count us out!!!!! Keep up the good fight, Walk. We need people like you to maintain a public voice. Downs - Seattle.
Aug. 24, 2004
Walk
192 posts
Jim I will keep the fight up but I hear from a very good source that we may have more problems in senior softball than just ball and bats. It looks like because a certain team beat up on a certain other senior team that is ran by one of the main summit heads that the exempt rule for major plus players will not longer exist.

What does this mean? Major plus players will be playing in AA, AAA, and Major programs next year.
Walk
Aug. 24, 2004
LOBO
Men's 50
39 posts
I just told my friend who is taking a team out to Vegas in September for the 50's tournament that Mikens are out. He was happy to hear that, especially since he confirmed with the tournament director that they were ok prior to sending in the entry fee and booking 13 people for Vegas.

Regarding umpires, I play in Florda,50's, and we have ISA umpires
for our tournaments. For the most part the umpring has been pretty good. However, it would be nice if they could all be on the same page by calling a four foot pitch illegal instead of a strike and remembering they are not at an ISA tournament.
Aug. 24, 2004
Bat-Heater
Men's 50
64 posts
I have no problem with the Ultra & Synergy SCX2 being disallowed when using a COR 47 525 Comp ball or better but when an association goes down to a 44COR ball or less, at our age, ALL BATS should be OK for use (with perhaps some consideration for fence distances) and NSA needs to get their head out of the A$$ regarding the Miken Freak.

My $0.02
Aug. 24, 2004
turn2
484 posts
hey walk, what is the exept rule for major + players? with the sorry ball they used up in manassas nobody could hit it out. we hit 7 homeruns and 1 of those was inside the park in five games as a major + 55 team. we were allowed 9, what a joke. everyone could have played aa or aaa there.
thanks, donnie
Aug. 24, 2004
Downs
49 posts
Walk: I sincerely believe we seniors have lots of problems. I see Stoneman misintrepreted the suggestion of having the LVSSA contact the SS-USA & ISA's UIC for out-of-state umpires. He took the ball, but headed for the wrong end-zone. He contacted his ISA friends in NV.
As for the adversity caused by a team disregarding the classification, well it is nothing new. You clearly understand the "Golden Rule". It clearly defines that: "He who has the Gold, Rules". I believe it has always been that way historically.
It was this same situation that we blame for the death of Men's Fastpitch. Downward mobility and when classified upward, then breaking a team for one year and putting it back together as the same team the following year. It was totally legal. When there is a loop-hole, someone will put their finger in it. Downs
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