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Discussion: New rule for Five Run Equalizer

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June 3, 2008
Bob50
Men's 60
239 posts
New rule for Five Run Equalizer
On the home page in the left column under Rules you can now receive access to the complete rulebook for Senior Softball. Also there is a section that explains the new rule changes for 2008. In that area is the following rule change:

FIVE (5) RUN EQUALIZER Affects ALL Divisions of Play
Any team receiving (by rule) or electing to receive the 5-run equalizer shall be granted one equalizer run
per inning from innings 2 through 6, inclusive, and shall be permitted to mark six runs (or eight runs in
the case of a 55-Major+ or 60-Major+ team receiving the equalizer) on the score card total, if earned.

My question is this--If you receive one run per inning from innings 2 through 6 for a total of five runs how can you "earn" a total of six runs or in the case of Major Plus a total of eight runs?
June 3, 2008
2awesom
Men's 50
296 posts
This happened to my team in York, PA. The lower classified team got 1 run to start the inning and they then proceeded to score their 5 runs in that inning, therefore they get a total of six runs for that inning.

So in innings 2 thru 6 they can get a total of six runs per inning if they get their 5 every inning. Their 5 + 1.
June 3, 2008
DesertGuy
Men's 60
224 posts
Bob- If you 'get your five', the equalizer run adds to that to make 6. It look like the 'if earned' is confusing to some people, like me, but that's the way it works.
June 3, 2008
Bob50
Men's 60
239 posts
2awesom and DesertGuy,
Thanks. That makes sense. When I first read it i thought there was a way for a team to get more than a five run gift for the game. The six runs earned would be on a per inning basis.
June 4, 2008
SLOBALL1
Men's 50
173 posts
IF A 55 MAJOR + IS PLAYING A 50 MAJOR TEAM DOES THE 5 RUN RULE STILL APPLY?
June 4, 2008
DesertGuy
Men's 60
224 posts
sloball1- No it doesn't. The 55 M+ gets an equalizer for the rating, but the 50-M gets an equalizer for the age and they cancel each other out
June 4, 2008
DesertGuy
Men's 60
224 posts
I have the backwards. gets=gives. But they do cancel each other out and play even
June 5, 2008
mad dog
Men's 60
3929 posts
hate this rule.what happens if the game doesn't make it to the 6th,lower rated team doesn't get its runs.the equalizer is than negated.just give the lower team its runs and be done with it.
June 5, 2008
Nancy Allen
Men's 55
603 posts
I would rather see the runs added up front like it was previously for two reasons. The first is that I believe in keeping things simple and straight forward for the umpire as possible. The second is that this to me is like saying that you can pick the extra fielder for the equalizer, but they can only play innings 2 through 6. So I guess I have a third reason which is to agree with Mad Dog because it is more fair to the team entitled to the equalizer.
June 5, 2008
stattad
Men's 65
167 posts
When we played in Escondido they gave us the runs in innings 1-5 (not 2-6) and said it was the NEW rule this year.
June 5, 2008
SOFTBALLGRAMPS
Men's 55
98 posts
We also played in Escondido and got them 2-6
June 9, 2008
taits
Men's 65
4334 posts
13.3(8) SCHEDULING MODIFICATIONS
E. Recommended equalizers for teams in mixed skill and/or age groups: The weaker, or older, team gets a choice of adding 5 runs to their score OR using an extra defensive player. If there is
a difference in rules governing teams in a mixed division, the rules governing the weaker, or older, teams are used. If the weaker team elects to add five runs, the one run will be added to their score
in innings 2-6. If the game only goes 5 innings, the weaker team will receive a maximum of 4 runs.

That is how the "equalizer" is written. However it does not "equalize". If you read it you will see it starts out with an "and\or" for skills and age. But then goes to only "or" later in the text. Say a 55 AAA team playing a 60 AA team, the 11 man team OR the plus 5 run (2-6th inning) only allows for half the difference, as it were. With a match up like this you'd be lucky to get 6 innings in, and loose a "equalizing" 5th run for choosing the runs. Most teams take the runs but i think would be wiser to have an additional player on that field, providing you have the man power there.
With either choice, I still feel this is not an even match up, but it's also the way it's written and a rare match up, but it happens. So it should be written in.
June 9, 2008
Bob50
Men's 60
239 posts
It can actually get more "equalized." When a major plus team not only gives 5 runs to a major team but also loses most of their home runs due to playing by the major division rules.
June 9, 2008
taits
Men's 65
4334 posts
Maybe...
Look at Oxnard this weekend...Though this is not like what I wrote above, it still is an example. Two differences, both age and ability, not just one.
Torres& Sons, rated here (SSUSA) as a 55 AAA team played Brikerton, Gust, both 60 Major teams, and had to spot THEM 5 runs... Played another team, Tequilla Allstars a AAA team and I think that also spotted them 5 runs... that was the only game they won.
Unfortunately these ratings are usually subjective rather than objective.
You can win only one game and win your div... or even win none and win it as well.
Depends on the big factor in all tournaments the number of teams in YOUR, REAL division.
An ASA tourney this weekend was about the same.
June 10, 2008
RDA
Men's 55
66 posts
Oxnard Tournament had two 55 AAA teams playing with three 60 Majors and one 60 AA team. The 55 AAA played heads-up with the 60 Majors (push on lower age and upper classification). The 55 AAA & 60 Major all gave 5 runs to the one 60 AA team. Torres & Sons lost to the Majors - 12-8, 18-8 & 20-11. They also lost to the 60 AA, 20-11. Tequila All-Stars Defeated two 60 Major 16-15 & 19-9, and lost to the other major, 11-8. They also lost to the 60 AA team, 15-13. Torres & Sons defeated Tequila All-Stars, 18-10 in the 55 AAA game to end their tournament.

RDA
Tournament Director
June 10, 2008
taits
Men's 65
4334 posts
Yes they did, Tequilla All Stars and Torries & Sons.
June 11, 2008
avs
10 posts
In Reno there were five teams in 55AA and two teams in 50AA. The two divisions were combined for the seeding phase only. The equalizer really doesn't equalize anything, at least not at 5 runs. 50-AA should have been canceled for lack of teams. I've also played in situations where a AAA team had to spot a AA team 5 runs. In most cases the 5 runs can be made up in one inning. It's not as bad when its same level- different age groups but it is still not good. The only purpose of the equalizer is to prevent the host from having to refund tournament fees back to the "short" division. Also some travel arrangements can be difficult to cancel for a full refund. But if there must be equalizers than there should be separate equalizers for age (5-7 runs) and level (10 run minimum- make them work).
June 13, 2008
taits
Men's 65
4334 posts
AVS
Perhaps reading the rule book on this will help. Too much to post, for sure, but it might shed some light on a couple of the points you make as well as bring up a question on another. Rule(s) 13.3(2) trough 13.3(8) or pages 87-89
I hope it helps.
June 17, 2008
avs
10 posts
Thanks Taits- will check it out. Sorry for the delayed reply. -avs
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