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June 28, 2008
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
"Balls, balls", said the queen...
Hey guys/gals,
There's a motion on the floor.
All if favor of using a lesser ball than the 44 x 375 ball that is the present standard
in Senior Ball please say so.
All in favor of not allowing a lesser ball than the 44 x 375 balls that is the present standard
in Senior Ball please say so.
June 28, 2008
Bill in Sac
Men's 75
31 posts
NO, I do not want a lesser ball. I prefer 44x525, or 47x 525, or something better than what we have. In the summer, these balls are like hitting a melon!!.
June 28, 2008
Smokey20
Men's 55
102 posts
44/375 is fine.
June 28, 2008
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2734 posts
44/375 non ASA balls are fine.
June 28, 2008
4x4
Men's 65
597 posts
44/375 should be the bottom of the barrel fall back. The higher the core/comp the better. Nothing ASA approved.

While we are at it - let's have some balls that perform just as well at the higher temperature as they do in the early AM games. That does not mean dumb them down completely like they are later in the day but let them remain constant from AM to PM. Quite literally it changes the dynamics during the course of a tournament - and - it shouldn't.

There at touneys that are getting completely ignored (like the current one in Portland/33 teams - down about 25% from last year/not exactly a Major or ring tournament) due to the lousy balls. It's happening at the locals also.

With the rising costs individually to participate/compete we shouldn't have to put up with an inferior tourney in any way, shape, or form. But that's what we are getting with these "sock" balls.

I do not know of any other sport that has equipment that loses it's effectiveness durning the course of the competition.

This shouldn't be happening and needs to be seriously addressed.
June 29, 2008
Fred Scerra
Men's 80
542 posts
44/375 balls are fine as long as they are good quality balls. All 44/375's are not alike. There is such a wide variance between balls you can's just say 44/375.

There is a very wide difference between a Worth Pro-Trac 44/375 and an Evil Microcell x2 44/375.
June 29, 2008
Bob50
Men's 60
240 posts
We have been hitting a 44/375 ball in league that turns to mush when the weather warms up. It is fine in colder weather but that's it. Can someone suggest in their opinion what the best balls are in warmer weather. We have 70 teams in our league and are one of 100 cities that send out a bid together to get the best deal on a ball. I guess to make sure price doesn't drive our league to buy a bad ball again maybe it would be helpful to also get a list of bad balls that should be avoided. Our park district has pledged to work with us on a change. Thanks.
June 29, 2008
Fred Scerra
Men's 80
542 posts
If they are looking for the best price then you are going to get a poor ball.

We use the Evil ASA 44/375 Microcell x2's with very good success in the hot weather. The Dudley Thunder balls I understand are also a very good ball.

The problem you will have is getting city and towns to pay $50+ per doz vs $30 or so that they are now paying.

Good luck on accomplishing that.
June 29, 2008
OLDBUCK23
Men's 60
62 posts
The Trump- made 44/375 balls , which include the Evil balls) that have MCT ( Micro Cell Technology) do not lose compression as the day heats up due to their construction.

We have used them in our local leagues as well as in our annual tournament , the Columbus Classic, with great success for 3 seasons.
The prior year, we used balls suplied supplied by our fair city, an A.D. Starr 44/375 ball, in 95 degree weather.
Not one person hit one over the 300 foot fences with the A.D. Starr ball. I was a volunteer, but for some reason I took a lot of heat from both men's and women's teams. It got real ugly'. Their point was well taken.
Most balls lose 5 pounds of compression for every degree that the temperature increases above 72 degrees. They also gain about 5 degrees in compression for each degree below 72 degrees. This info is from TRUMPBALL (Kevin Schullstrom) a VP with Trump Softball.

I have found the Trump softballs with MCT to perform very consistently and would highly reccommend them, especially in the very hot venues.

Tournament Directors: use a good ball or FORGEDDABOUTIT !!! Thank You !
June 30, 2008
Fred Scerra
Men's 80
542 posts
OLDBUCK23: I am glad to hear that you use the Microcell's. I will be coming to the Columbus Classic this year and it will be a treat to use good balls after those ones we used in Va
June 30, 2008
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Bill, nothing personal but how desperate are you?
June 30, 2008
Bill in Sac
Men's 75
31 posts
Dirty,
After playing ASA twice a week(ASA bats and balls), I would like to hit something on the weekend tournament that reacts like a BALL.
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