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Discussion: Peach State Tournament in Atlanta, Georgia

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July 1, 2008
Airbosn
Men's 65
321 posts
Peach State Tournament in Atlanta, Georgia
A well run tournament, nice park, excellent field crews and umpires, plenty of hotels, restaurants, a transportation hub and yet only four, 60 major teams. It is getting sad, very sad.

1st Morris Farm
2nd Wild Bunch
3rd Team P
4th Tapco
July 1, 2008
hitman
Men's 65
302 posts
I have to totally agree, almost everything went smooth.
Balls were good and only got behind late on Saturday.
Our 8 team AAA bracket was really competative with most games being decided by 1 or 2 runs and in the last inning.
We (EXPRESS) lost our second game by 2 and then came back and won 5 in a row.
I think this was the top four in Gold bracket.
1. EXPRESS
2. TIME BANDITS
3. SPORTS LETTERING
4. FLIP DOW

God Bless All,
The HITMAN #13
July 1, 2008
UMP IN GA
15 posts
Had a great time umpiring that weekend. I was on field 5 most of the time had my share of friendly hecklers right behind me, but all and all I had a great time.
Lots of close games and watched a lot of friends from different teams coming together talking about family and catching up, it was almost like a family reunion. I hope everyone will come back next year and hope to see you in Dalton. And remember if it weren’t for all of you we would not have anything to umpire, so thank you for coming out.

Jesse
July 2, 2008
hitman
Men's 65
302 posts
Jesse,
It is because of you and your fellow umps that teams come and enjoy the Peach state Classic.
You guys control the game without being the game and interact with both the players and the fans!!!!!!!!
This make for an enjoyable event for all.
Thanks and please pass on the comment to your fellow umps.
We ended on field 2 Sunday with the same umps for 4 games and they covered it well.
God Bless and Take Care,
The Hitman #13
July 2, 2008
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2641 posts
Great tournament Robbie and Brooks! My only complaint is with the balls, 44/375 ASA Thunder Heat. I'm not complaining because they were socks because they were flying. After seeing Trumpball's post about heavy ASA ball and how detrimental they are to a bat I'm surprised that we hit them this past weekend.
Other than that everything went well. One ump was somewhat stressed but MOST were VERY good.
It was nice to see you again Jessie.

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July 2, 2008
M2`
Men's 50
11 posts
Any Major Major Plus teams need a new player. I would like to move up in classification. I work in Jacksonville, FL and live in Mayo, FL
July 3, 2008
UMP IN GA
15 posts
Bruce in reply to why we used the dudly thunder this weekend is that Cobb County has a contract with dudly to supply all balls to the County for all tourneys that we supply balls for .... this goes for the USSSA and ISA tourneys that are played there during the year as well .... one way to be able to hit the trump as you want is to change the tourney to bring your own balls hit what YOU bring and YOU got get your homeruns .... we both know how well that will work ..... I asked one team to go get some home runs that they had hit and got this look of like I had just killed there first born .... maybe do as they do at Nat. give yall a dozen balls at the start of the tourney and as long as you use a 44 375 ball you bring the umpire 3 balls at the start of your bat .... that seemed to work well there .... and you run for your own homers .... just thinking out load there

Jesse
July 3, 2008
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2641 posts
Jessie, I believe you mis-read my post. I'm not complaining about the Dudley brand. My complaint is with the ASA specification balls. I didn't say I wanted to use Trumps, I stated that Trumpball (Kevin S) said weeks ago that ASA balls are heavier that other association balls and thus cause more damage to bats.
Did the USSSA and ISA tourneys use ASA balls? We shouldn't use them either.
If this is all that I have to complain about then senior softball must be ok!
July 3, 2008
UMP IN GA
15 posts
sorry if I misunder stood ... they dont use the ASA ball for USSSA or ISA they use the corect balls for each , there just Dudly balls USSSA is the elite and ISA is the 44 / 375 ... i know they used a ton of balls that weekend so you may see a change in how the balls will be done next year .... as in my post earlier .... if you have any suggestion let Brooks know ...

Jesse
July 4, 2008
Fred Scerra
Men's 80
542 posts
BruceinGa:

You got me thinking on the balls and seeing my practice was rained out this morning I decided to weigh some balls. What I found in a small sampling is like the performance the weight depends on the ball.

I weighed 6 Worth Super Blue Dot USSSA and they weighed 6.5 oz.
I weighed 6 Worth Suger Gold Dot ASA and they weighed 6.2 oz
I weighed 6 Evil ASA Mirocell x2's and they weight 7.1 oz.
I had one Trump Stote WWSC ball that weighed 6.5 oz
July 5, 2008
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2641 posts
Trumpball, any comment?
Maybe some balls absorb moisture more than others.
I've got a digital scale. I'll check some of mine and post the results.
July 5, 2008
Fred Scerra
Men's 80
542 posts
Except for the WWSC they were all new balls.
July 7, 2008
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2641 posts
Fred, here's what I found:
Worth Blue Dot Syco ISA 47/525 6.6oz
Worth Super Blue Dot (no assoc) 47/525 6.9oz
Worth Gold Dot ASA 44/375 6.6oz
Legend 44/375 ISA 6.3oz
Worth Red Dot Titan NSA 50cor 6.2oz
Dudley Blue Thunder USSSA 52cor 6.5oz
Worth Blue Dot ASA 47/525 6.6oz
These balls are "almost" new and new.
As you can tell by the list, I don't have any present day new balls. I thought it would be fun to list some of the hot ball that I have. I do find it surprising that the lighter balls are the ISA and NSA balls.
July 8, 2008
taits
Men's 65
4344 posts
BruceinGa
If your weighing balls here are some Legend Centerfire 2 weights.
All new balls, all 47\525, I weighed 2 of each type and got two different weights for each.
White Reptile cover ISA: 6.3 & 6.1 oz
Optic Yellow Leather NSA: 6.5 & 6.2 oz
Optic Yellow Leather ASA: 6.2 & 6.4
Have 11" balls but did not weigh any.
July 8, 2008
Fred Scerra
Men's 80
542 posts
It seems that they all weigh around the 6.5 oz area except for the Evil Mircrocell x2's.

Out of curiosity I weighed some of last years evils ASA 44/375's and they also weighed also weighed 7.0-7.3 oz.

I open one of my box of Evil Mircrocell NSA 44/400 and they all weighed 6.5-6.6 oz's.

I also have one pre-Mirocell Evil and that weighs 6.5 oz.

So as of now it seems that the Evil ASA Mirocells are the heaviest but also one of the best performers for an ASA ball.
July 8, 2008
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2641 posts
Getting back to my post, my complaint with ASA balls is, according to Trumpball, that they are heavier, thus causing more damage to bats.
I wish Trumpball would reply and clear this up.
July 8, 2008
taits
Men's 65
4344 posts
BruceinGa
Which would you rather hit a bat with, a Croquet ball or a softball. Both about same size, but the mass or weight of the C-ball would kill the bat. Same could be applied to the weight on any of these softball makes. Trouble is they will all vary a few tenths of an ounce in weight. The cor comp is the real mass factor. When I got the Centerfire balls I was told the only difference between them were the stamps and or stitches. Given the same cor\comp used. Most balls are going to be between 6.2 and 6.5 oz.
July 8, 2008
Fred Scerra
Men's 80
542 posts
Taits:

I think you are right it seems that all the balls weigh about the same regardless of org except for the Evil Microcells.

When I get back from Columbus Oh I think that I will go through all my balls and weigh all the different brands of balls that I have just to see if that is true.
July 8, 2008
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2641 posts
Taits, hey, I'm agreeing with you. The point I'm trying to make is that Trumpball told Curt Hollis on this board that the reason Curt is breaking so many bats is because he is taking bp with the heavier ASA balls. If ASA balls are so detrimental to bats why would we use them in a non-ASA tournament?
As to why we used them in Mairetta, I would guess they were bought at the beginning of the season for the leagues there.
Robbie and Brooks, I'm not trying to slam either or both of you, I just thought I'd throw this out for discussion.
I was in the process of weeding out the ASA balls from my bp balls, but now I don't know if I should do that.
July 8, 2008
taits
Men's 65
4344 posts
BruceinGa
See your point. But looking at thew weights, they are really close. I'd venture to say that if you or I took a whole box of six and weighed them it would go from 6.2 to about the 6.6 you had on the Blue Dot...I have a few boxed of Super Dupers and they should be like your dot balls or maybe higher. I'll try to find them and weigh tomorrow, then post it.
The 7.0's and more are the ones to be concerned about of the choices mentioned.
I don't think mush of the new balls trumpball mentioned other than I do like the two color ball somewhat. I saw the Bobby Buggs balls advertised long ago. Maybe 2 years. But I'm for balls that are not "restricted" as I feel these were made to be, without saying they were.
July 9, 2008
taits
Men's 65
4344 posts
Some interesting weights on different balls.
Worth Super Duper Blue dot 6.3 & 6.6 oz used balls couldn't locate my new ones
Worth Super blue dot 6.3 & 6.4oz used balls
Worth blue dot extra 6.3oz only had one used ball
Dudley SB12 LND, cork ball we all used to use, New balls 6.5 & 6.4oz
Dudley CFP cork 6.4 & 6.5oz new balls
De Beer Dyna core II TC 290 6.0 & 6.3oz
The old cork balls were heavy, yet they go soft faster than most.
July 10, 2008
Norq44
57 posts
I have been reading this post with interest because it got into breaking bats. It is an interesting subject. And expensive also. My observations are that these composite bats break a lot faster for some players.It's all about bat speed. My opinion is that it isn't so much the balls as it is how fast the bat is striking the ball. Bruce mentioned Curt Hollis, I have been hitting twice a week with him for the last year. He consistently hits softballs out of sight. I'm not exaggerating either, he hits them up over the light towers. It would be interesting to see some stop action photography of the moment of contact, bat on ball, to see how much the barrel is flexing when someone like Curt hits it. I would like to hear from some of the power hitters across the nation, the guys that hit like the Hollis brothers, about bat breakage. I'm willing to bet that the guys with the 100mph bat speed are breaking a lot more bats.
July 10, 2008
Airbosn
Men's 65
321 posts
Norq44,
I don't have the link but if you Google, Kettering University Dr. Daniel A. Russell, Applied Physics you will get all the information you seek plus alot more. The good doctor has been testing and evaluating bats and ball for a long time.
July 10, 2008
Airbosn
Men's 65
321 posts
Norq44,
I don't have the link but if you Google, Kettering University Dr. Daniel A. Russell, Applied Physics you will get all the information you seek plus alot more. The good doctor has been testing and evaluating bats and ball for a long time.
July 10, 2008
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2641 posts
Don, I know what you mean about Curt.
I just heard from someone that used to post here that every so often he throws out his heavy balls. This would require weighing them every month or so.
July 11, 2008
Norq44
57 posts
Bruce, he called me just a few minutes after I posted, He told me the same thing. I used to hit with him a couple times a week, did so for years. NO ONE has broken more bats than him. He tells me that since he started weighing his practice balls and tossing out the heavier ones he is not breaking as many bats. While I will agree that heavier balls must break more bats than lighter ones ( the laws of physics) I still think that the bigger stronger guys will break more bats.
P.S. I hit with Curt and Audie last night. They BOTH hit balls over the left center field light tower on a baseball field. Unbelievable!!
July 11, 2008
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2641 posts
I weighed my bp balls yesterday, throwing out all that weighed 6.7 oz or more. About 50% are now excluded.
I was surprised at how many senior softballs didn't make the 6.6 oz cutoff and also how many ASA Worth Gold dots weighed 6.5 or 6.6.
I checked the Big Sharks 44s' that I won at Classic Spring Training and they were either 7.0 or 7.1.
July 13, 2008
audieh
Men's 60
241 posts
Airbosn, I read through almost every article of Dr. Russells relating to softball bats. Some entertaining information but by no means conclusive. Obvious to me are a number of items that affect bat breakage; weight of the ball, weight of the bat, speed of the bat, and position the bat strikes the ball readily come to mind.

All things being equal, ie swing speed, bat weight, ball weight, etc. Which causes a greater compression of a composite bat an end load or a balanced? Does the more a composite flexes increase the potential for breakage? Also, does a more flexible handle reduce the breakage potential and perhaps increase the batted ball speed and hence distance.

Other have stated on here that breakage occurs more often when the ball is struck in the middle thus creating the knuckle ball affect. They would tell me to hit the bottom one third of the ball to put a reverse spin on the ball and give it added lift and preserve the bats. However, I can barely hit the ball square much less hit just one third of it and have tried resulting in numerous infield pop ups. we have thrown out all obvious heavy balls and we do not hit wet balls.

Personal experiences has shown me that the balanced Ultra II and Worth Launch have little flex and tend to break after about 50 swings. The Combat (Gray) end load tends to flex more when hit and gets about 100 swings before breakage. We tested 3 new prototypes recently that have a flexible handle, hit comparable to the Ultra/Combat and lasted from 163 to 500+ and still counting swings. Maybe this is the key to endurance.

According to Dr. Russell the heavier the bat the further the ball will travel. I totally agree with this. The questions becomes can you swing a 30 ounce end load as fast as the 26 ounce balance and my guess would be no. However, I tend to hit further with the heavier end load and change my swing to go centerfield instead of left center to counter the slower bat speed.

I do know this though, my brother Curt will break just about any bat you give him and he does not hit knuckle balls. I tend to hit knuckle balls and he breaks 2 bats to my 1. Now most of us hide our sticks when he is around and he is forced to pound on some dead Worth Mayhems (compared to senior bats) which by the time he is through with them become hot about 20 swings before they break.

Interesting topic though and fun to hear others thoughts.
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