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Discussion: Run thru rule for over 70s

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July 12, 2008
cdub#9
Men's 70
2 posts
Run thru rule for over 70s
Gentlemen: I have pushed for this rule for the last 10 years and to no avail. Huntsman Games umpire in chief said that there were to many accidents from the run thru. How can that be since Nor-Cal and Hawaii are the only two assns. that I know of that use it.
My macho days are past and my knees are in constant pain but I will play hard up until I can't take it any more. Stopping fast or sliding have become a long forgotten memory.
Why not poll the different Classifications of age groups and see what the consenus is?
From the not so macho anymore - Carl Woodruff 70AAA
July 13, 2008
taits
Men's 65
4305 posts
A year plus or so, I read about a assn\ league or what ever that used it back east, but can not remember where it was.
I've seen many collisions at 2nd been in one. I like the down or out of the way also.
That was one of the rule changes discussed and voted on last Dec, at the NCSSA meeting...
July 14, 2008
Nancy Allen
Men's 55
597 posts
With all due respect, I do not want to umpire those games. I can just imagine the arguments over whether someone was running through or advancing to a base. I am used to the rules of senior softball, but it puts umpires that do not officiate senior games (which most do not on a regular basis) into a real panic because they are so different. Then when the leagues do not have the same rules for the same thing, the players start disagreeing because they have no clue which rule the league is using, and it gets even worse in a tournament. For your enjoyment and to keep the umpires with us, I believe that rules should be simple and few. I also recently had a 70+ player tell me that 11 players in the field was not real softball and a few words that I will not repeat here on what he thought of rules like that. I had never thought of it in that light before, but I get his point. Have fun, and stay safe, but believe me sometimes less is more when it comes to "special" rules.
July 14, 2008
Fred Scerra
Men's 80
542 posts
Nancy Allen: None of the fears that you are imagining aren't just there. We have been doing that for 15 yrs in most of our leagues with none of those things happen.

On the negative side it does give the runner an advantage as he doesn't have to slow down when he gets to the bag.

As far as playing without the middle fielder I would assume that he doesn't pitch. The 11th fielder up the middle is the safest thing to protect the pitcher. I pitched in a 65+ tournament without the middle fielder and never again. You are one big target out there with that ball flying straight back at you off those Ultra II's
July 14, 2008
Nancy Allen
Men's 55
597 posts
Fred, I guess what I would wonder is what this does to anyone who plays in your league and then plays in another league or tournament that does not allow it. I know that you are used to it, and if your leagues are like most, your umpires are probably not going to officiate any games with any other rule, but if they do, oh boy. Is this good for both second and third? It seems like it would be even harder to tell whether they were running through or rounding third to me.

I am not sure that I agree with the 70+ that told me that 11 fielders was not real softball. I sort of thought that was one of the privileges/benefits of getting older and playing. Of course I have issues with things like clocks, 1-1 counts, not running bases etc, because I think that we are getting further away from baseball, and sometimes "cheating" the game, but we are all entitled to our thoughts.
July 14, 2008
DMac
Men's 60
185 posts
cdub#9: We use the run thru rule in Burbank and I have never heard anyone complain about it. There is such a huge difference between running thru and rounding the bag that even the most incompetent ump has little problem interpreting the runner's intent. One of the most fun moments is watching a new guy execute a perfect slide then stand up and find out the ump called him out for sliding. It takes a while for both teams to stop laughing.
Even though I am only 59, I enjoy the respite from the wear and tear of sliding.
By the way, are you Bob's younger brother?
July 14, 2008
taits
Men's 65
4305 posts
Perhaps the smarter, better looking one. ??
July 14, 2008
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Hey Guys and Nancy,
I can go with the run through rule like we have done ever since
I've been in Senior ball but the outs should be force outs
just like at first base.
If the ball beats the guy to the base,
"Y'er out."
July 14, 2008
taits
Men's 65
4305 posts
Forced out, YES.. more than half the umps (not all) can't call a swipe tag or a tag play. Perhaps they can "see" or call a force out...
But that is something that requires a vote within NCSSA. Not until the Dec meeting.
July 14, 2008
stattad
Men's 65
166 posts
We played this weekend in Huntington Beach, CA with run-through rules. We threw a guy out at 2nd trying to stretch a single to a double and the ump called him safe because we didn't tag him. Isn't that the whole purpose of run-through (no contact)? He wouldn't listen to us and just yelled "play ball"!

At least we won the game. And when we asked the ump at our next game about the rule, of course they knew that it should be a force at every base.
July 15, 2008
Fred Scerra
Men's 80
542 posts
Nancy Allen: Yes it does get confusing at times. 2 of the leagues I play in have run through and 3 don't.

einstein: We use the force out also.
July 15, 2008
TexasTransplant
Men's 70
415 posts
We use the run through rule in our league in Dallas. Just one person's opinion, but I find this to be the worst of the special rules we put in for senior ball. Too many infielders simply stand on the bag even when they have no play. "Run through" has become "run by." Now we have base runners "running by" 4-6 feet from the base. The umpires can't (or don't) call it consistently.

Don't slide if you don't want to, but please don't inflict the run through concept on us in tournaments.
July 18, 2008
Cliff 21
Men's 55
13 posts
I am disappointed that anyone let alone major-plus players who push for "pure softball" would take away from the game such a basic fundamental like sliding. Unbelievable.
July 19, 2008
mad dog
Men's 60
3935 posts
never have or will like the run thru rule.texas which league do you use the run thru,the nite league in irving doesn't use it,unless they just started using it.
July 19, 2008
TexasTransplant
Men's 70
415 posts
MadDog,

We play at Heigts Park in Richardson. Not as competitive as the league in Irving, but a whole lot closer for me in Plano.
July 30, 2008
cpope
Men's 60
160 posts
12 years ago I started Senior ball, first time I see the "extra" first base I though what BS is this, then came the "extra" Home plate, now we are getting away from the REAL game, I alway had fun taking out the catcher if there was a play at home, the bigger the better, I am only 5' 10'', 175. Then the 1 and 1 count, time limits, run rules, no sliding, run thru rule, force at every base rule, 5 infielders, 5 outfielders, no infield ball between innings, running for the Fat Guy that is to lazy to stay in shape, I know rules change but at the time I disliked most. Now at 62, bad back from taking on the 250 lb catcher at home, sliding at second to break up a double play, playing a game 45 runs to 40 runs for 7 innings in 99 degree weather, knees acking when trying to stop at second when not sliding. I still dislike most of the rules, NO NO, I kidding, Most of the rules are put there so we can still play this game we love. Many players could not even play anymore with out these rules, It;s suppost to be fun and competitive. I can put up with any rule that keeps all of us safe. When complaining, think of those that would give anything to play be these rules.
Enjoy the rest of the time we play, it's way to short.
SORRY I GOT CARRIED AWAY, JUST RUNNING AT THE MOUTH.
July 31, 2008
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Fred, the best way to protect pitchers is for guys to have pride and get rid of the bats that no one under 50 are allowed to use.
July 31, 2008
cdub#9
Men's 70
2 posts
First a reply to DMac - no I'm not related to your friend - that I know of anyway - sorrry/
To others replying to the message, I haven't seen too many 70s listed. Our local club, the Redwood City Senors, located in Nor-Cal has been using this method since before I joined, 23 years ago. Yes, I did get knocked down once before we posted the run-by rule, no collisions at any cost.
Nor-Cal uses both ASA and USSSA umps. Yes we do have to retrain the older ones and refresh the young ones but it hasn't been earth shattering.
Aug. 2, 2008
Fred Scerra
Men's 80
542 posts
Dirty: I agree but it is never going to happen. Too many big egos that would rather hit a 290' out with an Ultra than get a single wilt a lesser bat.
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