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Discussion: AA Home Run Power

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July 14, 2008
Michigan Vet
Men's 55
226 posts
AA Home Run Power
Has anybody had anything like this happen. We are a 50+ AAA team. We played a AA team in Champaign this weekend and they hit 13 home runs in our prelininary game. We ended up winning 25-24 (even had to give them 5 runs).
Not complaining, just wanted to hear from other teams with the same experience. Something has to be done with the rating system!

Chuck
July 14, 2008
Stoney
Men's 50
36 posts
I know how you feel we played the same team....and i thought there were a couple of teams playing AAA that should have been Major or Major Plus with all the home runs that were hit on us.
July 14, 2008
Corky
Men's 55
444 posts
I know exactly what your talking about. A double A team hit 9 on us and we didn't hit one.......and we had to give them 5 runs and I AM COMPLAINING.The summit should take a hard look at this. They get the best of both worlds by getting 5 runs and still being allowed to hit home runs following AAA rules. Either give them the 5 runs and hold them to AA home run limits or make them follow AAA rules completely.
July 14, 2008
taits
Men's 65
4253 posts
I'd venture to say they did play under AAA rules given the number or hr's or where would only be 1 a game. But as a AA team they were entitled to the 5 runs against a AAA team... Perhaps the roster was a little strong or you guys were off game...
July 14, 2008
rabbit
Men's 65
294 posts
HI Corky, I would say, the best way to stop this is to start nameing the teams on this message board, so they can double check them with other managers and or directors, that is if they (SSUSA) really care to stop this and have a level playing field like they say they want all divisions to have..They seem to be the ones that control the ratings????????

Rabbit
July 14, 2008
road kill
Men's 55
9 posts
How did that finish?
How many games Sunday?

Thanks,
July 14, 2008
Corky
Men's 55
444 posts
Taits
I know its early in Cal so maybe your not really awake yet so I'll go real slooww for ya. We hit over .700 as a team for the tourney and scored over 20 runs in every game but the finals. Chicago Prime the supposedly AA team hit 13 out in the winner of the loser bracket game plus got 5 runs to boot against a good AAA team, They hit 9 out against us and we had to give them 5. And btw i dont believe you were there. But don't just take my word for it ask Pinnacle and Doug & Dons. You might want to stick to the Trivia thread.
July 14, 2008
Corky
Men's 55
444 posts
Rabbit
Thanks for your support and congrats on 2nd in the major division. You guys beat some pretty tough major teams and should be proud of your finish.
July 14, 2008
stick8
1238 posts
Simple solution. Get rid of the ultra bat. Guys that don't even weigh a buck 50 are hitting them 330-350 ft.
July 14, 2008
Corky
Men's 55
444 posts
Road Kill

BRICKYARD won it in the bottom of the 7th with two outs in the IF game by 1 run
July 14, 2008
road kill
Men's 55
9 posts
Did they get all the games in Sunday?
I left Saturday night.
I was in 55 bracket.
Just wondered how all those games lost to the weather got rescheduled.
Must have been pretty busy Sun.
July 14, 2008
missouridave
Men's 55
69 posts
I played in the tournament and we have been playing Chicago Prime as the only other AA team for the last 3 years. Ww "won" the AA disivison as Quad Cities last year and were forced to move up to AAA. We have no problem with the move up, although we played very badly in Champaign this past weekend. Chicago Prime then beat us in Champaign last year. Why did they not have to move up to AAA? Clearly they are a AAA team.
July 14, 2008
MTM
Men's 65
25 posts
Was this a SSUSA Tournament? I don't understand the HR problem. I thought AA was one and then an out. I thought that AAA was one and then a single and runners only advance if forced to. With no one on base and you have exceed the Hr count whatever it is you could hit 8 HR's in a row and still only score 5 runs. I don't think the HR is the problem I think the AAA teams resent giving AA teams 5 runs. Most important of all if the rating organizations really wanted to control the HR they would make all balls over the fence an out for AA and AAA. I would bet that most player that could hit the ball out on a consistent basis would not be on AA or AAA teams under those conditions.
July 14, 2008
Michigan Vet
Men's 55
226 posts
We were 6-2 in the tournament (Pinnacle) we lost to Chicago Prime AA by 4 and the Chicago Storm the other AA team by 1 in the double elimination tourny. Another problem was they shortened the game to 45 minutes on Sunday and still gave the AA teams all 5 runs.

If Brickyard really won then I say Congradulations!! I am glad an AA team did not win it. Nothing against Chicago Prime, they are a great bunch of guys, they just do not belong in AA. If you ask them they will tell you the same thing.

Rabbit, Congrads on a great tournament. Who did you guys lose to in the finals?

Chuck #8
Pinnacle/Mike Valerio
July 14, 2008
rabbit
Men's 65
294 posts
Hi Vet, we lost to Milwaukee Merchants 16-8 in the Championship game, we just stopped hitting and I think ran out of steam, after 3 players came up lame after the 3rd game.WE had beat AMR(Cleveland,Oh), then Team Detroit, then Checkcare,Louisville,Ky ( the new old Riverside Paving/Travelodge50's and the we beat probably one of the top 5 teams in the country in 50 Major, Coors Light, out of Illinois. This Milwaukee Merchant team, is a very good team, and they beat some very good teams getting there also, this tourney had 13 major teams, that has to be some kind of record?

Rabbit
July 14, 2008
missouridave
Men's 55
69 posts
MTM,
The 2 AA teams got 5 runs and they played home rune by the AAA rules, 1 up. The real issue is how does a team like Chicago Prime who is basically one of very few AA teams in the Midwest ever get bumped up to AAA where they clearly belong. Our team lost all 5 games in Champaign. Closet game we lost by 5 runs. Should we be put back in AA? We only hit 3 home runs in 5 games. On most days we could compete in AAA., we just did not hit. So the question for everyone is other than winning 2 team AA tournaments, how does a team like Chicago Prime get moved up? Thanks.
July 14, 2008
taits
Men's 65
4253 posts
Corky
Darn, I forgot to set the alarm clock... Given the info I'd venture to say a team got through the ratings crack...err chasm.
July 14, 2008
rabbit
Men's 65
294 posts
Corky, you must have hit a nerve for someone, because a person whose last name started with a S called my home, giving me the what for, for talking about the AA , I did not start the thread about the home runs, but got accused of it for some reason, i guess they can not read, the person said they were playing on a 275 foot fence when they hit the home runs ?? is this true ?? Corky as you know, I have not played in 50 AA since 1999, and do not care really what happens there, I have enough to worry about in the Majors and 55 AAA divisions.

Rabbit
July 14, 2008
RDSinNEOHIO
Men's 50
14 posts
Hey Rabbit, congrats on a great tourney from AMR. It was nice to put a face with the name. As for us, we hit our share of home runs throughout the tourney, but its about the 5th consecutive Major tournament we've spent money for and travelled to and not won a single game. We were semi-competitve against the Merchants and Coors Light; you guys blew us out as did Checkcare. Not to be whiney, but as for ratings, shouldn't we be entitled to be competitive in the AAA division before getting moved to Major and then stuck there because the powers to be won't let us move down?
July 14, 2008
terrymac
46 posts
Guys! How many games did most teams get to play? The Ohio Silverado 55s played in only 3 games. (we did hit one homerun) So at 1-2 we headed back 440 miles. Not a good return. I have never complained about a tournament but it all should be the same for every team. Terry
July 14, 2008
Corky
Men's 55
444 posts
Rabbit
Can't figure out who the person your referring to is but, you and I aggreed that it was double jepordy allowing the AA's to get five runs and still hit 1 and 1 up. Last time i checked we were still allowed to discusss softball issues with our friends. The amount of HR's they hit should throw up a red flag as to what division they should be in. The fences were 295 BTW And thanks Michigan Vet for bringing up the time issue. That got by me. Good point
July 14, 2008
umby44
48 posts
im th manager of chicago prime what has happened is we split in to two teams this year, we have a 50s aa and an 55aaa , the problem is that the 55s got bumped up after indy, i been trying to tell them they had it back words are 55aaa team has not won anything and got smoked in champaign, all the other 50aa teams want us to come up to oshkosh and play aa with them even tho we are rated with aaa , all the young players of course stayed with the 50s and i got new 50s so i have tried to straighted this out to no avail, so people complain about the 50aa, and the 55aaa cant play , o well politics , umby
July 14, 2008
umby44
48 posts
my fault i ment 55aa up to oshkosh, thanks, long weekend mgr two teams
July 14, 2008
rabbit
Men's 65
294 posts
Hi RD, yes it is always good to put a face with a name, and I understand your pain in playing majors, a couple of years ago, we went through the same thing, till we got re rated after about 15 or 16 games, if I remember right we went 1-15 the they moved us back down, but now I have the team that can compete at this level.

I think your team (AMR) is very good, you hit hit the ball hard , and that is what you have to do, maybe you like us, you have to believe you can win at this level, before you begin winning, that helps a lot, we believe it now, and you can see the results, Sometimes it just takes the right break to get you started.

To Terry Mac, I do not know how many games the rest of the teams played, but the Indiana Classics played 7 games all weekend in the 50 majors, 3 Friday and 4 on Sunday in a single elimanation tourney

Corky, your right, anything said on this board should not be taken personal, it is the only way to bring the problems to the for front, is to discuss them in a gentle matter.

I am a kinder and gentler fuzzy rabbit today

Rabbit- coach of the Indiana Classics 50's
July 14, 2008
titanhd
Men's 50
314 posts
I agree with HR power for 50 silver and rules in general.How did a Major Player-not senior major a MAJOR player be allowed to play in the 50 silver.He hit balls that haven't come down yet.There were players that didn't have id cards allowed to play.Aren't we suppose to have a senior player id? The most this team had was drivers license.I'm not saying that they weren't 50,but I beleive you must be registered to play. btw this is the same team with the MAJOR,MAJOR player.
July 15, 2008
road kill
Men's 55
9 posts
Could someone let me know how they handled the schedule Sunday?
Or where I could find out?

In specific, 55 Majors?

Thanks, r/k
July 15, 2008
JJ
Men's 65
14 posts
Gentlemen: very confused on the discourse concerning
this tournament. 1st rule: AA team gets five runs from
an AAA team: one run in the second thru sixth innings.
If you don't play six innings-you don't get five runs.
2nd rule: when an AA team is playing an AAA team,
AA homerun rules to apply. I would blame most of
the problem on the tournament director who seemed
to run the tournament using his "own" rulebook.
If Sacramento doesn't move this team up to AAA
after hitting that many homeruns, then we need to
question the "sanity" in Northern California. AA teams
might hit one out a game-not 13! and the excuse with
the 275' fences doesn't hold water.
July 15, 2008
taits
Men's 65
4253 posts
JJ
Hlow's the team doing, Your team going to the Outlaw tourney on the 2nd?
The questionable rules mentioned are a problem with here (SSUSA) as well as NSA. The fences were 295 according to another post, but I don't think distance is really relevant here, the number over was too high for a AA team like you said.
July 15, 2008
Shiek
3 posts
What is not being mentioned at Champaign is the wind. If you played on diamonds facing east, you hit many home runs. If you faced west, you were lucky to hit any. As for as the tourny, it has as much competition in the 50 major bracket as the SPA or Phoenix nationals. Not much there in 55 major or major plus.
July 15, 2008
Shiek
3 posts
I should rephrase last comment. The teams in 55 were some of the best, just not enough.
July 15, 2008
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Terry, this is why there is the sad reality that most Senior tournaments are basically worthless. Too much money for too few games against too few opponents.

Just no bang for the buck.
July 15, 2008
Captain D
11 posts
I might as well chime in here. What has failed to make it to this discussion is that Chicago Prime won the 2007 Midwest Championship as AA Rating. Unlike Indiana Classics who won the 50 AAA and got bumped up to Major, I guess CP only got bumped up ˝ of a rating AA ˝; get 5 bonus runs and no out penalty for hitting HRs. That is a sweet setup. To think they almost won this year’s AAA spot being entered as AA ranking. This reply is no way demeaning toward CP, they have a great club and it sounds like they tried to get appropriately rating. This is all SSUSA doing!
SSUSA – is the light coming on or are you still throwing the dart in the dark?
And to think, this sanctioning group is much better than the another one, not to mention any names but the initials are SPA!
July 16, 2008
Corky
Men's 55
444 posts
Now that we've beat THIS dead horse for a while, and IF Umby, the Prime coach did what he said he did in trying to corrrect the error, SSUSA staff should have no issues with correcting this problem. Prime played very well and can compete with any AAA team. Our division was the only one that played all scheduled games. Most games were very close and the competition was great. Didn't get to play Pinnacle or Doug and Dons. They looked (on Paper) to be the odds on favorites. Hope to see all of ya in St. Louis next month with the corrections made. (ISA Worlds)

As a side note: Someone told me that the big hitter for Doug & Dons has a hitting video. I would like to get a copy if anyone has any info i would appreciate it. He's an amazing hitter. Suprised a Major + team hasn't scooped him up. "Keep on Playin"
July 16, 2008
SLOBALL1
Men's 50
173 posts
BOB (WALLY) WOLDYCK.Can get his video at softballfans.com
July 16, 2008
rabbit
Men's 65
294 posts
HI Corky, we bought the video and my two big hitters watched it while it was raining to see what they were doing wrong, then went out and hit 5 home runs between them in the next game. it is just shows basics of hitting, but reminds you some little things in your swing, stance and follow thru, that sometimes we forget to do, I thought it helped me also,went 3-3 the next game , but helps you to stay focused and not bring the bat thru the zone to quickly before your hips do and to snap the wrists. It is worth the $15.00 I think.

Rabbit
July 16, 2008
Corky
Men's 55
444 posts
Thanks guys
Went to softballfan.com and found the video. Must be good, the price jumped to 19.99. Seems strange a guy, dressed in Miken attire, with a video, sitting next to the likes of Rusty Bumgardner, is a AAA player ?? and he wasn't the biggest boy on the team WOW.
Bought the video tho LOL
July 16, 2008
rabbit
Men's 65
294 posts
Corky, he was playing 55 major, I was talking to him and said I thought he was not as as big in person as he is on the video, he told me TV makes you look bigger,
He is a pretty good home run hitter, ,he is or was on the Miken team that goes around to the Major League Baseball stadiums and puts on the softball home run hitting shows, or at least he was when he was younger??, now those boys can jack the ball a good distance.Kind of like you when you were younger?.
They walked him a lot last weekend when I was watching his team play.

Rabbit
July 16, 2008
hunter
4 posts
Which video are you talikng about? There are 4 of them at $19.99...Thanks
July 16, 2008
rabbit
Men's 65
294 posts
Hunter, the video is called Powerfull Hitting Secrets, The Mechanics of Hitting.
Rabbit
July 16, 2008
SLOBALL1
Men's 50
173 posts
Woldyck was playing 50 (AAA) silver with Doug and Don's.
July 18, 2008
Wally
Men's 50
1 posts
Guys, thanks for the input on my DVD "Powerful Hitting Secrets" The Mechanics of Hitting. It turned out very well. Yes I have hit for Miken Sports on the Long Haul Bombers tour the past 3 years. This year Miken went with younger guys Denny Crine and Geno Buck and they are doing very well. I made the DVD because I didn't use to hit like I do now, I learn how to hit it hard from studying all the great hitters at the major level years ago. All great hitter stand in the box different, stride a little different but they all do 5 things exactly the same. That is what I show you on the DVD. You have to know the proper mechanics. You can buy it at softball360.com, softballfans.com and many other places.
If anyone has any questions you can email me at bwoldyk@sbcglobal.net. Thanks again for the input on the Powerful Hitting Secrets DVD.
July 22, 2008
FOG33
8 posts
I still think how you can solve solve some of the differnece between AA and AAA and maybe even the majors and majors plus is have a rating of that player next to their pictur. Now I know you would say how do we rate each player, but I would say at the end of this year each player is rated based on the highest level of a roster they are on. Say, a player is on a AA roster and alos on a AAA roster then they would be rated AAA. Also, you could only have 2-3 AAA playes on any AA team and so forth up the ladder. Just a thought. Any thoughts from the masses?
July 22, 2008
taits
Men's 65
4253 posts
Fog33

Won't work, far too any players. Thousands, like 10k+ Would take forever to go through a roster let alone all the teams in a tournament.
But rating teams with a few hundred is possible as it is now. Jut doing it fairly across the board is where the problem lies.
Some Assn's. have a list of impact players, but their all the younger guys I believe.
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