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Discussion: Major teams being redistributed to AAA and Major plus

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Sept. 15, 2008
Lecak
Men's 55
1006 posts
Major teams being redistributed to AAA and Major plus
There was a response posted on another thread that seemed like it would make it's own subject. Combining Major and Major Plus teams too one division.

Where would you 'draw the line'? Would all of the current major teams be moved up? Or would you arbitrality split that major division and put the 'lower major teams' in AAA?

While I have asked this of Don, I would be interested in anyone's opinion on this... that is, anyone that is currently playing in M+, M or AAA. If you do feel the urge to reply, please include the name of your team and your current division... and why you feel as you do.

I play in the major division with the Arizona MOB 50 team. My thoughts are that you cannot arbitarily move all of the major teams to Major Plus. I also think it would be a problem to move the remaining Major teams to AAA.

The only solution I can come up with is too setup an incentive program for Major teams too feel it was worthwhile to compete in the Major Plus division. What would do it for me would be a point system that if you earned enough points you would get a preferred seeding in the world championships. I know asking for volunteers is difficult. Don't penalize the teams moving up let them find their level with incentives. I think the better Major teams would venture up.
Sept. 16, 2008
curty
Men's 60
103 posts
I currently play 55aaa/ baystate bombers out of mass. One thought here, as we have few m+ players in our area, is to restrict rosters to limit the amount of M+ guys on a major team. Also, allowing these players to migrate a little between teams might help.These guys still want to play!! I don't think they ( players or teams) should be playing AAA, but some AAA teams might move up if allowed to use upper guys. If a team qualifies @ the upper level and the roster is frozen then they must play up accordingly, but if the team is borrowing players and must release them then they COULD be allowed back down. This will require some extra work at headquarters, but might get some more teams to at least try the upper game. It seems that AAA players are more interested in small ball and consider the home run hitters as dangerous, especially up the middle, but every team has 1 or 2 .that's just not enough to compete against a team comprised of 7 to 10 legitimate M players. Nobody wants to restrict bats/balls but if a M+ /M guy in AAA has to use a single wall, that would be an equalizer!
Sept. 16, 2008
F.O.G.
Men's 40
105 posts
I've been reading some very interesting views on this subject and since I'm 2 years away from playing in the 50's, I'm paying close attention.

Obviously there need to be differences in the way senior style softball is handled compared to the way the "kids" do it, i.e. ASA, USSSA, ISA, NSA etc. The "Snowbird" rule, the homerun rules, limited runs per inning and using the Ultra II are a few of these.

These are my opinions(for what their worth....)

1. The divisions are already set, i.e. M+, M, AAA, AA. It doesn't matter how you call it. It could be Major, A, B, etc. It's all the same.

2. I notice there is a "Team Rating" link on this website. That's fine. What about "Player Ratings?" I, as a manager would want to know about certain players...where they live and what their rating.

3. Once a team has qualified at a certain level, they remain at that level for the season. If the team finishes in the, let's say top 3...they move up. If they finish at say .500 or lower, they can appeal to move down. The move has to be approved by a "body" of people...not just 1-2 individuals. Anytime a team makes roster changes i.e. new players, they have to requalify for the upcoming world tourney. I realize may not be popular because of injuries or health issues, but you have to have foundation in the orginization.

4. Once you are rated, you can only move down by appeal as mentioned before or when you reach the next level, i.e 50 to 55 or 55 to 60 or if you've been inactive for a period of 1 year i.e a full season.

I may be citing some rules that are already in place. I think everyone will agree that you're always going to have teams that are very strong or heavily rostered. I don't personally think that mixing or splitting the divisions will solve any problems that may exist.

I've also read where teams may be "sandbagging" in order to keep a current status...Major or AAA. I don't think there is anything you can do about that. Those teams are their own worst enemy. Sooner or later they'll move up.

I'm sure this will get alot of feedback. I also think that many of these subjects should be discussed at the Summit. I know this for sure...we're all playing because we love it. No one forces us to go out and do this. Remember that!!!

Respect to all....

Mike Williams
Manager #9
Old School Master's
Sept. 16, 2008
SLOBALL1
Men's 50
173 posts
The only way this will ever go away is to rate the player and not the team. A players class can be printed right on the ID card. X number of major players on a team the team play majors. X number of Major + the teams plays Major+. If for example the player was clasified major in the current year,but played on a major plus team-the next season he is re-clasifed major +. The association has rosters and knows what lcass each team is rated. Should be pretty simple to govern. Players would have to ask for re-clasifiaction not teams. Again the associations should have enough info (rosters-team won loss) to make an subjective decison on the Player .
Sept. 16, 2008
taits
Men's 65
4354 posts
FOG;
I like #3, As for player ratings, it's been brought up before, but seems it would be too much trouble to keep a data base or something.
Good suggestion, none the less.
Sept. 16, 2008
F.O.G.
Men's 40
105 posts
Taits:

Yes...it would be alot of work, however, what this would bring to the table I think would outweigh the time and effort it would take to get it going. I also beleive that all of the reputable senior associations would benefit from a list like this. A similar list is used by all of the local SoCal associations and while it's not perfect, it really takes alot of the guess work out of it.

Again, another subject to be hashed up at the Summit.

Mike Williams
Old School Masters
Sept. 16, 2008
taits
Men's 65
4354 posts
FOG;
I know I was one who brought up the player list in the past but the work was the problem.
It's also a matter of taking "baby steps" to get to any given point you're trying to get to.
I think this could be the first or getting up from your knees at least.
Assn's need to work together on the number(s) of tournaments out there. Less tournaments could actually become more, money wise. But that might put a glitch on some contractual arrangements. But if the cities and assn's look at it at the possibility in numbers of "potential" teams, they may rearrange those contracts. Maybe not, since they have a lock in as it is with no guarantees.
Far too many tournaments, spread out all over, in varying degrees of quality or prize to be won, to be really viable as an ongoing event. 52 weekends roughly 200 tournaments, qualifiers or major ones in a year.
Where ya gonna go, who's gonna show? Big problem.
You guys (your LA area) have the same problem at times. Two or three going in different parts of that 100 sq mi area at the same time.
One step at a time. But what is that?
Sept. 16, 2008
F.O.G.
Men's 40
105 posts
Taits:

I'll give this some more thought. With any luck and discussion, they'll/we'll come up with something.

Mike Williams
Old School Masters
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