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Oct. 1, 2008
##7
Men's 55
15 posts
Vegas
Congrats to Double Nickels for winning the 55AAA vegas tourney. Guess they can't complain about their Major rating now!! but how did they get in AAA???
Oct. 1, 2008
Duke
Men's 60
678 posts
##7- Thank you for the left-handed compliment. I will not get into any long drawn out conversation with you or anyone else, but how can you guys talk? You just won the SPA Nationals in the 50AAA bracket, and bring the same team less one 50 player to the LVSSA Worlds. This is what you said in one post or some player from your team posted it. I think when you hit 12 home runs in one game, like you did in the 50AAA SPA Nationals, earns the Major status, especially if you guys are going to play in the 55 division. In the final game against you guys(Pace), the score was 26-25. It would seem that you should be in the Major division along with our team.

You did ask how did we get there. As the SSUSA staff does not trust their tournament directors nor the players that play in the 55AAA divisions, all of the other organizations do trust the other tournament directors and players in their organizations. I was upfront with every organization about SSUSA moving us up to Majors incorrectly, and every organization that we played in, except the SSUSA staff, has watched and rated us 55AAA. The directors from every SSUSA tournament has told Hennessey that we were not a Major team, and we are not yet. Players have posted and called on our behalf, and Hennessey would not change us, but he has changed many others this year, because teams were not playing in his tournaments due to being misrated. He has changed those teams back, because the revenue is needed. We may win 1-2 games in the Phoenix Worlds, but need to add 2-3 Major players at key positions to be competitive at that level. We know that we are top of the line 55AAA and should have been allowed to compete as such in the Phoenix Worlds, and now that we have finally, after 7 years, won a ring tournament, we are happy to try out the Major division. We have won no Major tournaments in 7 years with basically the same guys. Just so you know, we have not played more than 7 different 55AAA teams this year. The LVSSA staff asked me what 7 teams did we play, and I told him. He said that he was going to call 2-3 of those teams and ask the manager's what they thought about our team. The answer was "that although we cannot beat Double Nickels the past several years, they are definitely a strong 55AAA team this year and not a Major team. LVSSA even said we could play 50AA or 50AAA. I rejected the 50AA, because I know we would have destroyed those teams, and I would not have felt good about that.

In Conclusion, I would like to add that we played Iowa, Maryland, and a strong Hawaii Masters team, and met some really nice guys and teams that displayed good sportsmanship. It was a pleasure meeting those teams. The tournament was well organized. I thought the umps were weak, except one. That is about as nice as I care to answer the Pace team, but I was honest about it. I am done with this subject, so reply away, and maybe my buddy Ken will answer you next.

Andy Smith,
Double Nickels,
Manager
Oct. 1, 2008
Michael
Men's 55
18 posts
The Pace team and the Hawaii team were the best two teams we faced all year. Not only did we just barely beat Pace by one run it was their 5th game of the day. My hat goes off to them for the effort and competitiveness they displayed. Games like that final are what we play softball for.
Oct. 2, 2008
Leoslocks
Men's 60
45 posts
I think Pace hit 12 home runs against us in Dalton(SPA AAA). They had 19 players that could go yard on you. I know the story that allowed them to play 50's AAA in Dalton but how on earth were they allowed to play 55 AAA?
So much for the integrity of the organizers of Senior Tournaments. Whats wrong is wrong even if everyone is for it.
Pace is a fine ball team. Major caliber talent and managed like pros. cheers for their continued success (At the Major Level).
Oct. 2, 2008
rabbit
Men's 65
294 posts
Hi Leo, there isn't much integrity in senior ball as everyone thinks there is, it is still about the good ole boy system and the money, just as it has always been,some things never change.You should have seen the team that won the ASA AA from Indiana, they sure looked like a Major team I saw in Champaign, Ill earlier this year.

by the way what happen to the post about the guy who said he missed Dirty and this board was a bore? , I guess you can not put anything on here negative anymore?? In fact I miss Dirty also, he kept me coming back to the board. To see what and who was going to comment, well at least he got people to comment, instead of playing trivia and patting each other on the back all the time and telling them how a great bunch of guys there are.

Rabbit
Oct. 2, 2008
DMac
Men's 60
185 posts
Gary was a one-trick pony and I, for one, do not miss him.
Oct. 2, 2008
taits
Men's 65
4253 posts
DMac;
I wanted to play in Paso last weekend but the Cruisers couldn't field their team. It would have been nict to see ya again.
how did you do there w\ OTE?
Oct. 2, 2008
Corky
Men's 55
444 posts
Just to stir the pot a little more :) We were told at the 50AAA spa national, that Pace had made a mistake on booking their flights and rooms for the wrong weekend (the 50AAA weekend) and asked Ridge if it was ok to move from 55 major to 50AAA. Sure says Ridge and they win the tournament. After the turmoil last year of 55 majors moving down an age and division I thought that issue was put to rest. guess not.
Oct. 2, 2008
DMac
Men's 60
185 posts
Taits: OTE won our division but I'm not sure about our record. It was very hot and the grass was extremely long and tiring but Pasa Robles is a great area to visit.
Oct. 2, 2008
4Four4
Men's 60
79 posts
A Pace player congratulates the Double Nickels for winning and the entire thread castigates his team for being sandbaggers...BS. These guys are class acts - all of them. They have 2 or 3 guys that can hit it out with any regularity just like any other TripleA team does. They're well coached, they play & PRACTICE alot together, they're guys who play in rec leagues with and against each other, The Major thing that they have is character.
I watched the Double Nics, Pace, Hawaii, and LVHeat all play AAA in Vegas. They were pretty much interchangeable with talent. Some teams just want it more!
Congratulations to all for great play.

DH
#4 - The Tub
Oct. 2, 2008
Nancy Allen
Men's 55
588 posts
Corky, OK, I will play too. It is only a coincidence that the winner of the 55AA in Dalton the last 2 years got moved down from AAA right before the tournament also. This is just another reason that I prefer SSWC to the competition.

Heard you were feeling a little hurt Tuesday. Hope you are feeling better. I was in the back all night, and everyone left quickly because of the cool breeze. How about that "kid" in the jean shorts hitting the HR? Harm's Way.
Oct. 2, 2008
Nancy Allen
Men's 55
588 posts
444, point well taken. Congratulations to Pace and Double Nickels.
Oct. 2, 2008
##7
Men's 55
15 posts
Corky- slight correction to your post. We had booked what we thought was the 55AAA weekend when in fact the dates were changed after our flight arrangements. We could not play back to back weekends with the Vegas tourney so we decided to stay with the 50AAA and take our licks.We actually asked Ridge to drop us to the 50AA because we hadn't won any 55AAA all year.( 2nd place in Salem, Va and 2nd place in Panama City -USSSA ) so there wasn;t a division drop down! We figured we would just get some games to tune up for Vegas. We got beat by Monstor Softball and squeeked by CJ&S 34-33. The multiple home runs game was a very wind aided event. We also had a game where only one hr was hit. Bottom line this is our first year in 55's , we are not on the rankings due to no fault of our own, and we will not shy away from the opportunity to play up next year. Congrats again to Double Nickels. We look forward to playing you again sometime.
PACE
Oct. 2, 2008
Gelpas
Men's 55
25 posts
Nancy - Yea it was a little unusual to see someone have their rating changed just before a major tourney like what happen in Dalton 50AA. Not only did they win the tourney but they scored at will and only one game were they really tested. With that said, I must admit I enjoy playing against them for they were a great bunch of good guys but IMHO I believe they could have competed with the AAA's.

Rabbit - It was a honor to put a face on your name. You are what senior ball should be all about. The competition is great but the friendship that one can make should always be the reason we still play this "kids" game.
Once again thank you for managing our all-star team.

Ken from Maryland's Roman 50AA team - Just wanted to thank you for your conversation on positive thinking. You and your team were one class act. Our team enjoyed the competition and hope to run into you guys again. Good luck with your hips.

Gelpas (Ken)

Oshkosh Ambassdors
Oct. 2, 2008
Dbax
Men's 60
1223 posts
Your teams rating is all about money and kissing the right butts. Don't believe anything else.
Oct. 2, 2008
THE HI-JACKER
118 posts
DOUBLE NICKEL: On june 18th, of 2008, D.N., was moved up to Major. (By SS USA.)

The LVSSA MASTERS, is a poorly ran tournament. This is a bunch of old men, trying to make money for the LVSSA club.

This is a orginaztion, that will & has let Major Plus teams drop down to AAA. A few years ago, a Major Plus team won 3-4 worlds & two weeks later, 6 players off that team player in Vegas, on a Major team. Yes, everyone was awear.

LVSSA, does not sent their rosters into SS USA or SPA. Both of these groups, SS USA & SPA, will check roster @ a No Cost. Just give these groups two weeks, min.

This past weekend, I saw a Major Plus player play M .P. last month @ Arroyl Grande; & then play AAA, @ the soccor fields by the Silver Bowel. Same age group. LVSSA, is an Outlaw tournament.

Anything goes. Always been that way since 2001. Is this or is this not Sand bagging? Should anyone care how many M. P. or Major players do play for D.N.?

T H-J
Oct. 2, 2008
Leoslocks
Men's 60
45 posts
" These guys are class acts - all of them."
This is absolutely correct. They were gracious in losing to us (Monster Softball) and gracious in putting us into the losers bracket. Actually there were quite a few teams at Dalton that would have beat them with their best game. It was a great tournament won by the best team.

" They have 2 or 3 guys that can hit it out with any regularity just like any other TripleA team does."
Yes they hit a bunch of home runs off us and they were wind aided but the fences were 310 and 8' high. They just bounced them off the fence against the wind. One of the best hitting teams I have seen.

" They're well coached, they play & PRACTICE alot together, they're guys who play in rec leagues with and against each other, The Major thing that they have is character."
A large part of their victory was the coaching/managing job. How many AAA teams have 5 rabbits on their roster? Their character is matched by their size, talent and desire. They are winners. Still, you miss the point. "... the integrity of the organizers of Senior Tournaments" is the issue.
Oct. 2, 2008
rabbit
Men's 65
294 posts
Hi Gelpas- Ken, you are right ,it is alway good to put a face to a name, I met a lot of guys who read the board everyday, but usually do not post, and that is ok.
The All-Star game is a great time to meet players from other teams, and get a chance to play with different players . I just wish Ridge would go back to the 6 inning All-Star game like they use to play for years, the last two years have not been very good games, they just let each team bat three times all the way through the line-up and it is only because Ridge always starts his opening ceremonies later then his stated starting time, then if you know Ridge like I do, ( a good friend also), he is a little windy sometimes and drags the ceremonies out just a tad too long . But again, it was a great time and was good meeting you, I will probabaly see you next year in Dalton at the All-Star game if not sooner, God willing, take care.

Rabbit, Indiana Classics 55's AAA
Oct. 2, 2008
jrhunch
85 posts
asplayer-coach of pace i would like to sincerly congratulate the double nickel team for their win.i liked the way you took notes and kept stats on all of our games.the small things are what wins games.the problem i have with what has been said and written about us is for the most part untrue and not fair.as grown old men we should all act better than we do.we have played in 6 tournies with some success with a goal of being at our best at the end of the year.to do this all19 players play.we beleive that a team is only as strong as the weakest player.we didnt have the same players as daulton 4 were missing.we made no excuses for it nor would we.during the year we have been beaten by teams with higher classifications than us and never complained.we go and play everywhere and against everyone without a whimper.for this we are called sandbaggers and cheaters.mr.hooks never did us any favors.he is the cause of the problem.we played in 3 of his tournies.when people asked him about us he said he never heard of us.this peaked everyones concerned.it took away from our victory and made feel bad about winning and it cheapens the effort teams had against us.in 2006 we won the 50s in vegas when i got back home i immediatly had us moved up to major.the director in vegas called me 3 days before we came and told me he was having concerns about us because other teams including double nickel were complaing about us.i told him we would be happy to move up to major or give runs.i stated that we werew not bringing everyone and asked him what were we suppose to do lose in daulton.we are a group of guys who played against or with since our 20s.everyone lives within 20 miles.the 55aa rochester team won vegas this week as well as the 50aaa team won cape mayne nj this weekend.we do not draw from these teams to make a superteam.we set goals and achieved one ofthem and as a result have been treated like murderers.we will gladly move up to majors without a complaint and look forward to the challenge.we are a proud bunch and would never cheapen another teams victory.good hitting to everybody and stay safe.pete i hope you are well
Oct. 2, 2008
jrhunch
85 posts
pardon my spelling did not have my glasses on .please believe me.#11 pace
Oct. 3, 2008
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Nice to see I am still so fondly thought of.

And I see the beat of senior tournament softball goes on and on and......

It is a potentially good product that is now flawed. Wake up guys and work to fix it, not shoot the guys who point it out.

G'day!
Aug. 2, 2009
Leoslocks
Men's 60
45 posts
By the way, how did the PACE team do at 2009 SPA Nationals playing as Major?
Aug. 4, 2009
Al33
Men's 55
183 posts
Leoslocks

Wow, this is from an old post. The PACE ELECTRONICS team won the 2009 SPA Major Nationals in Dalton Ga. We lost to the Steel Dawgs in the preliminaries and came back to run rule them in the finals. Nobody can whine about this one. Good luck to you guys this year down in Dalton. You guys were tough.I assume you are going.
Aug. 4, 2009
Leoslocks
Men's 60
45 posts
Cheers for your continued success.

The good Lord willing and keeps me in his grace, I will be with Monster Softball at Dalton trying to set the table for the bid dogs.

Rob has a good bunch of guys that will do well if we can stay healthy and not injured.
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