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Discussion: NIght games in Phoenix 60 AAA

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Oct. 21, 2008
sossteve
10 posts
NIght games in Phoenix 60 AAA
The lighting for night games on our fields (Desert ...) in Phoenix were totally unacceptable. Our outfielders couldn't locate the ball many times until it was right on them. You talk about safety, playing out there was dangerous.
Oct. 21, 2008
TexasTransplant
Men's 70
421 posts
Same problem last year at Ceasar Chavez. It seems totally contradictory to institute rules about hitting the middle for safety sake and then allow playing conditions like this. This is too good a tournament to allow teams' experience to be spoiled by something like this.
Oct. 21, 2008
SlowLearner
13 posts
I agree with sossteve, we should not be playing night games. You put in a rule to protect pitchers, but with night games that won't work and the infielders are exposed. Also, it takes away from the game as most seniors never play night games and can't adjust. It was especially bad for the 6:30 games. Someone is going to get hurt and I'm not sure that insurance will prevent a suit as it's a big exposure for all players in the infield.

The solution is to go back to 4 days when you have that many teams in a div. By now you have had 2-3 years of history to be able to project how many teams usually are in a bracket and can easily give the teams enough notice to be able to play for 3 or 4 based on the div.
Oct. 22, 2008
Fred Scerra
Men's 80
542 posts
I pitched there last year in the 65AAA div and to say the lights were bad is an understatement.
Every pitch I threw I prayed that the ball wasn't hit back at me because once the ball left my hand I couldn't see it.
For me it was a pitchers nightmare.
Oct. 22, 2008
BONES
Men's 60
93 posts
Phoenix-------what a great experience and tournament for a rookie senior player -----thats me. I thought every thing was great till we played a night game. i agree with Fred S.--------both teams had the same conditions so that was fair. BUT being a pitcher myself the safety point was way over looked. You can hit the ball back at me anytime you want to---all part of the game. But when the ball comes off the bat and you have no idea where it is ----thats not good------which happened twice to me in our sat. night game-----first time in my life i thought about ever wearing a cup and a face mask -------besides that great fun and in my opinion great everything. thank you for all the hard work -------------
SB--So Cal Gusto60s #32
Oct. 22, 2008
Brock
Men's 70
55 posts
After playing under the lights Friday evening on a field that was actually better lit than the one we played on Saturday evening, I relayed my feelings to Fran Saturday morning. I suggested that if they're going to continue playing night games to at least have a supply of white balls available. They would be somewhat easier to see than the optic yellow balls at night. The lighting on the Desert West fields was terrible and night games should not be played at that complex, especially for seniors who have more problems seeing at night anyway. Our coach plans to email Fran and Terry also. Going back to four days like the SPA was in Dalton works for me. Greg Broeckelman, Scrap Iron 60s Phiten team.
Oct. 22, 2008
mad dog
Men's 65
3948 posts
cesar chavez was real bad at nite,and at sunset was the worst.lites in the park didn't take effect until almost an hr after sunset.when they did it still wasn't good.also u had lites from the other fields in your eyes to deal with.rose mofford wasn't real great for pitchers as the snack stand with lites on would hinder them from seeing.have not played nite ball on any of the others ssusa uses there.but hey from what ssusa says they a great fields to play on.
Oct. 22, 2008
Hacker
Men's 65
41 posts
I totally agree...night games are a big problem and should not be scheduled for 60 and older players.

I pitched for two night games at Desert West and I agree with Fred and others...I was feeling very vulnerable, especially after I heard one hit whiz by me that I never even saw!!

Line drives couln't be easily picked up because of the lack of background contrast, high fly balls would disappear if above the lights.

Some would have preferred to postpone the night game and play at 7:00 AM instead...heck most of use can't sleep late anyway!

It sounded like a good idea but I guess it would create other problems like too many games (5 or 6) may have to be played in one day in the elimination bracket.

However, I played at Papago last year and I thought the lights were acceptable at that park...Desert West (especially field 3) has very poor lighting (only 2 banks vs 3 banks).

If we're going to have to play night games, maybe they should ONLY be scheduled at fields with adequate lighting such as Papago.


Rich
Oct. 22, 2008
SCRAPPY6
55 posts
WE PLAYED AT DESERT WEST AND THE LIGHTS WERE REALLY BAD. MANY PLAYERS COULD NOT SEE THE BALL.

INFIELDERS WERE REACTING AFTER THE BALL WAS ALMOST PAST THEM. OUTFIELDERS COULD NOT SEE THE BALL. MANY BALLS DROPPED TO THE GROUND THAT NORMALLY WOULD HAVE BEEN CAUGHT. LINEDRIVES WERE BUZZING BY THE OUTFIELDERS BEFORE THEY COULD REACT.

NO MORE NIGHT GAMES --- TOO DANGEROUS

MAYBE PLAYERS WITH 40 YEAR OLD SIGHT AND REACTIONS CAN HANDLE IT, BUT NOT 60+ PLAYERS.

LET'S ADD ANOTHER DAY ON TO THESE WORLD TOURNAMENTS SO WE CAN PLAY ALL DAY GAMES!!

COMMON SENSE NEEDS TO PREVAIL ---
HELP US OUT SSUSA
SCRAPPY6
Oct. 22, 2008
Vito
Men's 60
22 posts
We had a 5:30 game and it was terrible. I was wondering how the later game was. It sounds like it was just as bad.
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