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Oct. 27, 2008
santo
Men's 55
41 posts
Timing
With the exception of live hitting BP, anyone out there have a good excercise or workout that could be done alone that will help the timing of hitting a softball?
Oct. 27, 2008
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Timing is really a non-issue on a ball moving that slowly.
Timing is a baseball and fast-pitch term, not slow-pitch.
Oct. 27, 2008
stattad
Men's 65
168 posts
It's easy to see why everyone is trying to ignore Dirty's posts. There always seems to be someone like him trying to get the spotlight.
Oct. 27, 2008
Ken
Men's 55
462 posts
Hey Gary, my team played against Shones last weekend, and they were not happy that someone started the rumor that you had played with them. They said they knew who you were and wanted everyone to know that they would never have anything to do with you. With your constant butting in on every post I can see why they feel that way.

Ken Lange
Double Nickels
Oct. 27, 2008
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
If only that was true. Care to name who told you that?
Oct. 27, 2008
4x4
Men's 65
595 posts
Yep - heard the same sentiments echo'd from others.

Gary seems to think timing is unimportant in slowpitch - so it must be about the same as his written prowess (in his mind) = close your eyes and swing !
Oct. 27, 2008
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
How so? Timing is basically a non-issue in slow-pitch. Not everything from baseball translates to slow-pitch.
Oct. 27, 2008
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Sure you have to "time" the ball. But on a big ball moving that slowly it is NOT the issues it is in hardball or fast-pitch. How can you be late on a big, slow ball, for example?
Oct. 27, 2008
santo
Men's 55
41 posts
I agree that timing is not as important as fastpitch baseball, but if timing didn't matter, you would never see a foul ball or popup. Seriously, what do you do to increase the percentage of times you hit the ball right on the srews.. When my timing is on, for instance, I can put the ball anywhere I want to. If its not on, I might hit a gound ball to the shortstop or popup. So how do I increase the times my timing is on?
Oct. 27, 2008
Paco13
364 posts
Practice my friend. Hit a lot of balls on a daily or at least weekly basis. Play more than once every few weeks. There is no other way...hitting of a T...it helps with your zone not sure with timing, and yes timing is important in slow pitch.

Dirty, perhaps you believe that pitching does not make a difference either, guess what it does.
Oct. 27, 2008
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2647 posts
Wow Dirty Gary, you've really done it now. Timing is everything! That's where one gets his power from. If you constantly hit the ball before your wrists unload you would be doing good to hit is 275'.
Santo, I agree with Paco, the tee helps you learn to hit the ball out front when your wrists unload.
Oct. 27, 2008
mad dog
Men's 60
3932 posts
remember guys use the ignore button on the dumb and dumber posts.

yes timing is very important,santo can't help ya here unless u have a pitching machine to throw to ya.i do a lot of tee work but need the live pitching for my timing,otherwise i can be out in front of the pitch.u can still do swing excercises,like dry swings(macenko speed drill),hitting off a tee,i also use a swing chute,hitting a heavy bag for follow thru work.
Oct. 27, 2008
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2647 posts
Bob, I only replied because I thought he was sincere.
Oct. 27, 2008
santo
Men's 55
41 posts
Thanks guys, I do hit off a tee daily, do the Macenko workout during the off season and everything else I can do alone. I guess I need a pitching machine - or teach my wife to pitch - LOL
Oct. 27, 2008
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Bruce, I was being sincere, and don't necesarily call what you are referring to "timing". Neither would most baseball batting coaches. You are discussing mechanics, and of course they are very important.

sorry dog, can an intelligent person respond to what they are ignoring?
Oct. 28, 2008
firebird380hp
Men's 50
81 posts
lol timing is everything even in slow pitch as far as I'm concerned.Getting out front and you have to time the pitch.Yes it's slow pitch,but watching the ball and throwing your hands and timing play a big part in hitting hard to me anyway.
Oct. 28, 2008
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Agreed. It is absolutely important, but just not the issue that it is in baseball or fast-pitch. If you are consistently late, early, or just have bad timing with a ball that large moving that slowly there are probably (many?) other issues to the swing.
Oct. 28, 2008
firebird380hp
Men's 50
81 posts
oh yeah you are correct......as you said there's many things involved.And a lot of bp usually takes care of most.But I found out that bp can help if your looking to get better but not if your going to do the samething over and over.When you take bp do it with someone that can watch you and help make adjustments that help.
Oct. 28, 2008
mad dog
Men's 60
3932 posts
bruce i understand what your saying.

dirty if you weren't so sarcastic or belligerant(sp) with your posts then maybe people here might take you seriously.

yes there is a timing issue with slowpitch.if you don't time your swing(like in BB)you will not hit the ball hard.santo i've tried the wifey or girl friend thing(no bruce sharon will not do it with her nails)it no workey.if she does try make sure ya have a screen for her.
Oct. 28, 2008
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
SURE it matters, but is just NOT nearly the same that it is in baseball.
Oct. 28, 2008
mad dog
Men's 60
3932 posts
ok please tell me exactly why its not as prevalent in SP as BB.
Oct. 28, 2008
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
It is just MUCH easier. You have a big ball moving slowly and pretty predictably v. a small ball moving rapidly and moving potentially late and a relatively great deal.

Yes, you have to time the big ball, but who is often late on the pitch? Or out in front of it. If you are, you have many other issues to your swing.

Go to a batting cage, jump in on a hardball machine, and you should understand.
Oct. 28, 2008
firebird380hp
Men's 50
81 posts
another way timing plays a big part for me anyway...is when I want to go backside I hold back just a second longer and go backside without having too shift my feet.Out front for power and hesitate a second for opposite field.
Oct. 28, 2008
RedEye
Men's 55
92 posts
Santo:
Go to www.bigcat844.com
BAt Speed Routine
Oct. 28, 2008
hitt2
354 posts
Dirty
This further show that dirty doesn't play competitive ball. Timing is everything in hitting it doesn’t matter that size of the ball, it matter at which the speed it travels. There are slow pitch pitchers out there that have a variety of pitches and use different pace on the ball to throw off ones timing. I was playing this past weekend and pitcher threw a knuckle curveball with varied pace on the ball. I watch a couple of player look silly because it caused their timing to be off, popping up to the catcher and third basemen.

Santo not only will the above mention drills will help you. One thing that will also help you is the old toss it up and swing method. I like to do this on windy day the ball is moving constantly and it require timing to hit the ball for power or line drives.

Dirty this is senior softball if I want to play with the kids; I'll call my grand children. The under 50 crowd are notorious for shaving bats, repainting bats to use an ultra for an edge in league and tourney play. . Dirty you say bats are use to do things that we didn't as a youngster. What do you know about the participant from around the nation? Who are you to make a generalization of this nature? Our individual performance efforts before senior ball vary. Many senior have pro, minor league, college, high school experience and the guys just seeking an avenue for more exercise. Why criticized individuals for having fun?
Dump your pious attitude and get into the game and stop whining about the bats, rules and cost. You really need to find another site to interact, maybe WANT-A-BEE BASKET weaving (seriously).
Don’t respond to me as it just shows your ignorance and lack of common sense about the reasons the game is played.
Fellow players sorry about the winded post.
Oct. 28, 2008
F.O.G.
Men's 40
105 posts
Hit2: easy, now...I'm not 50 yet and I've never shaved a bat...ever! I have that arguement with my kids...21 & 23.They are very good players, but they have the attitude that if you don't shave you don't compete. I told them that if you don't learn how to hit, you won't compete. If you can't hit with a stock bat, out of the wrapper then you ain't worth much. They didn't like that.

Santo: Only thing I never saw mentioned was setting up a video camera and filming yourself. I have done that. Believe me it works. Macenkos routine is great as is DeMarinis. Whiffle bat, game bat, weighted bat. Good workout routine...you'll be just fine.
Oct. 29, 2008
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Yes pitchers can vary the speed, and good ones do it more and better than others. But bottom line is the ball will still be moving slowly.
Oct. 29, 2008
mad dog
Men's 60
3932 posts
here's a question to all this timing crap -how many here bat 1.000,if not why.maybe b/c you didn't time it properly,if you do please enlighten me as i want to be able to hit a 1.000.
Oct. 29, 2008
hitt2
354 posts
F.O.G.

Sorry about the generalization of the under 50 players. I get frustrated with the ranting of a want -a-bee. I agree there are many like yourself that want to maintain the creditability of the game and state so to your children. They may be mad now but will come back and admit that you’re right.
MADDOG
You’re on the point.

Dirty
Yeah it moves slower about the same speed as a knuckleball. Last time I checked it which requires good timing to hit .
You always whine about R&D in bat improvements. The game has progressed through the years I swung wood bats, I still have my old Howard Furniture bat. When we were younger we started using the better bats provided by the manufactures nobody whined. You equalized the playing field. If they gear equipment for my present age group wonderful. Everyone uses the equipment they can afford. If you can't don't fault those that can.
Oct. 29, 2008
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Here are a couple of obvious reasons. You are human. You hit the ball at someone. The defense made a good/great play.

You were not serious with that post, were you?
Oct. 30, 2008
mad dog
Men's 60
3932 posts
just as serious as you,if your timing is so great you will not do those things u say,unless your timing is off.i've go thru tourney's making 3 to 10 outs(3 = pretty good but not perfect,10 = real bad) depending on the timing i have,i just want to be able to correct this and be perfect and you seem to have all the answers.so please give me your tips on batting 1.000.
Oct. 30, 2008
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
I am human.

I hit the ball at people.

The defense makes a good/great play.
Oct. 30, 2008
mad dog
Men's 60
3932 posts
not the answer i'm looking for,you talk about this timing as if you know all about it,i want an answer on how to avoid all of this stuff b/c i want to bat a 1.000,please tell me what i need to do so i am able to hit a 1.000.my timing is off.
Oct. 30, 2008
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
When did I say it cannot be avoided? Sure, as I have said, timing is important but just NOT the issue it is in games where the ball moves fast, breaks late, and the changes of speed are significant.

My son played baseball into college. For obvious reasons there were many times where he was in front of a change, or late on a heater. Do you really have those kinds of issues hitting slow-pitch?
Oct. 30, 2008
mad dog
Men's 60
3932 posts
i must be since i'm not batting a 1.000.alls i want is for you to enlighten me so i can be a better batter,i want to bat 1.000.what are your tips for doing this,since you have all the answers.
Oct. 30, 2008
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
I think your needle is stuck.
Oct. 30, 2008
hitt2
354 posts
Dirty
Are you really going to lay on that repeat response. Maddog is right we strive for perfection. Dirty bring something to the table that's new.
To bat 1000 it takes hard work, lots of bp to get your timing down for any situation. All things being equal ----- it comes down to being just your day. But you have to have some kind of timing.
Don't repeat your self and say the ball is moving slow.
Oct. 30, 2008
mad dog
Men's 60
3932 posts
no more stuck than your evading my asking for help to bat 1.000.please help me so i can unstick my needle,you are the one saying how easy it is to hit a slow moving ball.i just want to better my game.so please let all of us know how to do it.
Oct. 30, 2008
DMac
Men's 60
185 posts
hitt2: Don't forget luck. I hit .909 in Salt Lake City and a couple of different bounces could have greatly affected that career best.
Bob: The best way to bat 1.000 is to get a hit the first time up and then fake a pulled hammy. By the way, I am still getting dry heaves from that pumpkin picture you sent. Was that really you?
Oct. 30, 2008
hitt2
354 posts
Mad dog
Your right Luck has a lot to do hitting .1000. Last weekend I was on a tear until the last game of the day. Didn’t get a new game ball. Made 2 outs and the day was good, but not perfect. Sunday hit a shot to the gap and a great play was made on the catch. Not perfect but a very good day. Because I had my timing down on every pitcher I faced it was a very good weekend. 875 and was asked for number to pay with another team. Dirty have any info as to my getting to the perfect mark let hear. I bat about 4-5 x's a game league play, and about 20-25 AB a tourney
Softballer I know your out there what do you think is dirty got a grip on this or just a grip on himself.
Oct. 30, 2008
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
hitt, a grip on what?

Maybe this is all semantics but to me many of you are confusing timing with mechanics. Two different things, both very important, but timing is just not much of an issue in slow-pitch when you have so much time to adjust during the flight of each pitch.

And are you saying you made some outs because you did not get a new game ball????
Oct. 30, 2008
softballer
Men's 55
560 posts
hitt2 please he doesn't even play this assoc. just like's to talk about our game!
ps would everyone please stop replying to his post
Oct. 30, 2008
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Your game? What year did you patent it?

And that attitude, ladies and gentlemen, is why these guys are so defensive and protective of what they think is "theirs".
Oct. 30, 2008
bashbro1
Men's 60
266 posts
Bash’s 2cents worth:

In both men's and women's slow-pitch softball we all know the distance is now 50 ft. However, there is, I know on the men side anyway, an area extension directly behind and the width of the rubber set @50ft that a pitcher can utilized if so desired.

I for one, have to adjust my timing with the picture moves back in the 2 x 6 foot “grave box” extension of the pitchers area back from the 50ft rubber. Some pitchers always throw from the 50ft rubber; others will go back say to the 56 foot mark and then launch a grenade that now takes about another 0.30sec to reach me. And then they may choose to run up on the next pitch and throw from the rubber and again I must adjust my timing even if ever-so-slightly. This can and will many times result in a weak ground or pop-out rather than a bomb or seed to the fence if I mis-time the pitch.

I read somewhere that a slo-pitch softball is typically launched from the pitchers hand between 30 and 35 mph depending on arc allowed. The calculations below are based on a 30mph pitch with everything else being equal (like arc) to simplify the point. Oh what’s my point. My point is that timing is important even in slow-pitch arena and that coming from a guy who played for Peterbilt’s World Championships teams back in the ‘70’s facing the likes of Ty Stofflet, Bobby Moore, Graham Arnold, Dick Christenson, Chuck DeArcy and others throwing those 100+ rise balls and drop balls! Yea!!!

Rough calcs:

Conversion factor: 1 mile/hour ~= 1.46666667 feet/second

Ball pitched from 50ft @ 30miles/hour yields 50ft=30mph x 1.47ft/sec = 2.45sec….
Or sec = 50ft/1.47ft = 2.45 secs as feet cancel out of the equation.

Ball pitched from 50ft @ 30miles/hour = 56= 30x1.47ft/sec = 2.75sec

2.75sec – 2.45 secs = 0.30secs!


Timing is everything:
Yes, you have probably heard the phrase many times, "timing is everything". There is a great deal of truth in that statement. Comedians say “the difference between a good joke and a bad one is a person's sense of timing”. I contend that “the difference between a good hit and a bad one is a batter’s sense of timing”.
Bashbro1(Ruth 60’s Senior Softball World Champs Major)
Oct. 30, 2008
softballer
Men's 55
560 posts
our game many
you are one

the needs of MANY out weight the needs of you

makes it our game!
now leave
Oct. 30, 2008
hitt2
354 posts
Bashbro
very good post.
Oct. 30, 2008
4x4
Men's 65
595 posts
Excellent post Art - nailed the subject AND the argument right on the money.

Softballer/Monta - succinctly and eloquently said (last post) !
Oct. 30, 2008
db14
91 posts
Hey Monta and Pete.....DB here. This guy has an opinion in every post....adnauseam. Like the insecure little boy that starts a fight or fire then runs away to watch what happens then returns to the crime again. I really need his advice on how to hit 1.000 I hope i don't have a problem with my timing. If i did then i might pay too much for my bats thus supporting someone else's R&D or be forced to play in a tournament with too few teams. Oh please don't lets this be true.
Oct. 30, 2008
mad dog
Men's 60
3932 posts
hey db14, i think u have something there,oh you to bash(but i not to edjimicated),now if our resident timing expert would clarify it all we might all be 1.000 hitters,can you help us there in this timing subject dorty.
Oct. 30, 2008
softballer
Men's 55
560 posts
put me on that list too!
cal cup i miss it by 1 hit too!
1000 was so close
Oct. 31, 2008
softball4b
Men's 60
738 posts
The only time place I have ever been perfect is in my dog's eyes. Then again he just wants his butt scratched and fed.

I received a call from our sponsor before this last tournament. Specially, he said, do not place hit any ball regardless of the situation. Hit it as hard and far as you can. Because if it goes out of the park and it goes a long way then people get juiced. If your having a great weekend the the guy in front of and behind you will see better pitches.

Point is, if you are swinging from your heels every time, you lose a little bat control and sometimes pop up or get too much top hand causing a shot on the infield. In every tourney there are at least 3 balls that fall in to go along with a couple of shots that were caught.

I don't expect perfection, but I do strive for it and I do expect results that help my team.
Oct. 31, 2008
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Bruce, I was being sincere, and don't necesarily call what you are referring to "timing". Neither would most baseball batting coaches. You are discussing mechanics, and of course they are very important. sorry dog, can an intelligent person respond to what they are ignoring?


Agreed. It is absolutely important, but just not the issue that it is in baseball or fast-pitch. If you are consistently late, early, or just have bad timing with a ball that large moving that slowly there are probably (many?) other issues to the swing.


It is just MUCH easier. You have a big ball moving slowly and pretty predictably v. a small ball moving rapidly and moving potentially late and a relatively great deal. Yes, you have to time the big ball, but who is often late on the pitch? Or out in front of it. If you are, you have many other issues to your swing. Go to a batting cage, jump in on a hardball machine, and you should understand


Yes pitchers can vary the speed, and good ones do it more and better than others. But bottom line is the ball will still be moving slowly.
Oct. 31, 2008
mad dog
Men's 60
3932 posts
there it is again car repair(mechanics).guess you could be a good repiarman but not haveing timed the car ok,car would run real crappy but would be mechanically sound.oh well guess you'll never give us your perceived wisdom.
Oct. 31, 2008
bashbro1
Men's 60
266 posts
One of the greatest softball quotes I had ever read came from one of the power hitters of yester-year. I think it might have been Macenko but I’m not positive. Anyway, this monster of man had hit several hundred home runs the previous season and was being interviewed by one of those Softball 360 type people.

The interviewer asked the big question. Paraphrased here: Well “Crusher”, what’s it like to walk in your shoes knowing that you launched an astronomical number of bombs last year. The response back for the monster hitter was…”well, I keep my ego in tack by reminding myself from time to time that. they are still lobbing the ball underhand to me, aren’t’ they?

bash
Oct. 31, 2008
mad dog
Men's 60
3932 posts
bash, nothing could be truer.if the guy said crusher,maybe it was rick scherr?
Oct. 31, 2008
hitt2
354 posts
Dirty
Here’s something for you to process. These are the dictionary’s definition as to timing and mechanic.

Maddog, Softballer, Hi-jacker, Taits, 4x4, let’s see how he denies these facts.
1.Sports. The control of the speed of a stroke, blow, etc., in order that it may reach its maximum at the proper moment.
2.The selecting of the best time or speed for doing something in order to achieve the desired or maximum result: I worked on my timing to increase the distance of the hit ball.
3.An act or instance of observing and recording the elapsed time of an act, contest, process, etc.
Applied mechanics, the principles of abstract mechanics applied to human art; also, the practical application of the laws of matter and motion to the construction of machines and structures of all kinds.
Motion: The ability or power to move mo•tion (mô'shən)
1.The act or process of changing position or place.
2.The manner in which the body or a body part moves.

Consistent effort requires timing. Learning to perform a task is mecahnic.
Oct. 31, 2008
softballer
Men's 55
560 posts
everyone please give up on dirty! he doesn't even play in this ssusa
LET IT GO!!!

maybe they will take him off here one day!
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