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Discussion: The 1-1 count

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Nov. 2, 2008
Gary Heifner
248 posts
The 1-1 count
I know this topic has been beat up in recent years. The more guys I talk to and read posts on this site, the support for the 1-1 count seems to be very strong. For the 1st time in the last 6 world tournies, we didn't have a 5 inning game due to the 0-0 count and guys taking 2 strikes every time. The majority of our opponents were often 1st strike hitting as was our team. As a result, we had mostly 7 inning games which is what I want to play. The 1-1 count will encourage more hitters to hit that 1st good strike. It really sucks to travel to the World Tourney and not play full games. By saving game time, it will also make up for the teams that get up 6-8 runs and in the later innings and walk very slowly from and back onto the playing field to burn time. I hope the summit will discuss this.
Nov. 2, 2008
Jawood
Men's 50
784 posts
Agreed. This is such a no brainer. I just can't figure out why some people want to waste time standing in the batters box waiting for a pitch to hit. Get in and take a hack, it's slowpitch, not baseball.
Nov. 3, 2008
softball4b
Men's 60
706 posts
There was one team we played that did every thing in their power to limit each game they played in to 5 innings or less. It kept the diiferential close in case the other team was more offensive minded. Then they basically rolled the dice in the open inning.

We heard they were doing this, so we hustled in and out every inning and kept pushing. We managed to score 4 or 5 runs every inning and by the time the open inning came about it was a moot point.

I don't mind starting 1-1, as long as you have one to waste. If nothing to waste then 0-0.
Nov. 3, 2008
sierahiker44
Men's 55
17 posts
Yes, get up there and hit the damn ball. Im a pitcher and I can not believe how many times a batter will just sit there and take strikes or look at a pitch that hits an inch away from the plate to take a walk. Its slow pitch. Did you spend money to sit there andlook at good pitches. Its a hitters game 6"-12' Meatball city.
Nov. 3, 2008
softball4b
Men's 60
706 posts
I agree. If I can reach it, I am probably swinging. I think I walked 5 times this year on pitched balls and maybe 10-15 on intentional walks.
Nov. 3, 2008
SLOBALL1
Men's 50
173 posts
I like the 1-1 count. However I don't like the time limit in the manner it is used today. I don't think any game should be stopped because the time ran out if you are in the sixth inning. If your game is in the sixth inning then you're pretty much on time and the game should be allowed to play itself out.
Nov. 3, 2008
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
The one and one count is the way to go.
Gives the pitchers the first strike and makes the batters more aggressive
which will make them better hitters in the long run.
It increases the tempo of the game
and makes the games seem faster if not go faster for all
involved including spectators.
1 and 1 count would be an effortless to employ
huge benefit to the senior game and TD's who want games/
tournaments to run efficiently within a time frame.
Nov. 3, 2008
DesertDave
Men's 60
74 posts
Agreed, the 1 and 1 is way to go
Nov. 4, 2008
THE HI-JACKER
118 posts
Gary H: Does anyone know, how much time is saved when the 1 & 1 count is used? (ONLY a few minutes?) As far as the time limit, in the R.R., is the time limit 55 or 60 minutes? When the D. Elimination starts, what is the time limited, 60 or 65 minutes? ( AA, AAA, & Majors.)
In Phoenix, last month, how many games in the AA, AAA, & Majors went 6 innings? 95 % or more? How many games did go the full 7 innings? (60%, 70%, or 80 %?)

Does it really matter in the R.R. or D.E.?

The 1 & 1 count, in most cases, allows the batter to file a ball off, once there is two strikes. So, the maximum time saved would be, if there is a 5 run limit & 10 batters took 1 ball.
EXAMPLE: 4 runs have scored, bases are loaded, two outs & the last batter is @ bat. If, a hit, then the 5th run has scored. Side changes.
It appear that all that is saved is the possibility of 1 to 10 pitches.

How much time is lost do to the following: 1) Side changing? 2) Extra warm up pitches? 3) Batter taking to long to get into the batter box? 4) Catcher missing a thossed ball? 5) Catcher not throwing ball back to pitcher
6) Pitcher not catching ball? 7) Batter waiting on pitcher? 7) Umps not ready? 8) Ump out of balls? 9) Ump trying to collect or correct score? 10) Ump keeping score on H.R., runners, ect? 11) I am sure there are many more reasons.
The 1 & 1 count may only save a few minutes? But, i believe the game will go faster if, batters, runners, fielders, & so, forth, did hustle more. Just my wooden nickle.

T Hi-J
Nov. 5, 2008
Nancy Allen
Men's 55
588 posts
I do not like the 1-1 count, but I have given my reasons before; so I will not do it again. Hi-J, only USSSA and BASA allow the extra foul with 2 strikes. I have never seen it be used by anyone else with a 1-1 count. I do agree with you though that the extra foul wastes about as much time as a 0-0 count. I understand it a little in USSSA because of the low pitch arch allowed, but I still do not think it makes a lot of sense to have an extra foul.
Nov. 5, 2008
mad dog
Men's 60
3921 posts
as a pitcher i love the 1-1 count, i do like it as a batter also as it makes me a touch more agressive at the plate.i'm a 1st pitch hitter to begin with,but if i find a pitcher not throwing first pitch strikes i tend to be less agressive and sometimes let pitches go by that i should of swung at.
the 1-1 count also makes the pitcher be agressive as he has only 3 balls he can throw,so he needs to get strikes in there.not sure on the extra foul tho,for me it can both ways(i have played it both ways)pitcher love it,batter not so much.hey what about 1 pitch.i'm going to play in one this weekend with the kids,now there is a quick game.
Nov. 5, 2008
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Why would the pitcher love the extra foul ball?
Nov. 6, 2008
taits
Men's 65
4251 posts
Perhaps this backslide of the ban imposed is an example not unlike umpire judgement calls for the pitcher protection rule. Very few are consistent and no two are alike.
Only one other person has been banned I know of, "Stoneman". He at least provided very useful info through his sometimes unusual posting, but useful just the same.
This other supposedly banned person is still allowed to re do an ID, and still post... Perhaps he has something on someone.
Nov. 6, 2008
softballer
Men's 55
560 posts
gary 19 also got the ax and come back as dirty
Nov. 6, 2008
taits
Men's 65
4251 posts
Another name between as well. I hope his 2 sons arn't following in his footsteps.
Nov. 6, 2008
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
I didn't realize my third son, and two daughters, are apparently no longer with us.
Nov. 6, 2008
softballer
Men's 55
560 posts
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