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Discussion: MK39...opinion wa ted if you ever got a chance

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Dec. 11, 2004
taits
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MK39...opinion wa ted if you ever got a chance
to test the Decker Jump bat?
I tested it for Decker, three of them 26\28\30 and broke the 26 in 600 hits. The 28 lasted 1043. Couldn't break the 30 but it was too heavy for me anyway. Was told by one of the main officers( will supply mame if wanted) that it was in for aprovial by ASA. Never got there, I found out later. Tho the prototypes had the 2000 sticker and the retail vervions have the 2004 sticker. Recieved the retail ones as replacements for prototypes.
Still have one prototype and 3 retail wrapped ones.
Dec. 11, 2004
MK39
Men's 50
333 posts
taits

Hi and Happy Holidays.

No i have never seen nor hit the bat. I just checked USSSA, ASA and NSA and i dont see where Decker has any bats approved at all, not for 2000 or now???

Please add your review on the bats performance and make up as i am curious about it.

Thanks
Mike Kelly Kelly's Sports 50+
Dec. 15, 2004
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I had been "reassured" um-teen times by Brian Obrien pres of Decker Sports that the bat was "there being processed"....Ya right. I checked them all also.
Bat is better than the C-4 out of the wrapper, but not sure as durability goes on the C-4. I rarelly use mine. Average person wouild get monies worth with it, for a 28 oz or better, but a 26\27 oz may or may not go within a year. I got 600 plus out of them but over a 1000 hits with the 28 before it went. That's alot more than the average person hits in a year, so not bad, unless your a hard hitter, then these are questionable for sure. My 28oz has now about 1500 on it and gettingsione red(* ready to go) but it will last for a little more. *See red tell-tale below.
End cap is like the C-4 ( kinda ooks like all one piece but their not), Bat has unusual black and red texture to it, along with a black and red small checkered area within the barrel under the graphics. which look ok.
Does not hit close to the U-2 until about to break, but that is tel tale for the bat. It gets red lines within the barre, l which I compare to the stress cracks or spider webbing in the Ultras. My proto-type didn't have the graphics on it so I could see these as they happened. I could move barrel around to prevent hitting there or get it done with and over as I may want. The niw ones I have are store stock. That is why I know about the 2004 ASA logo on then, tho I was told.( I was told alot.) The proto-type only has the 2000 logo. Hope this helps ya.
Dec. 15, 2004
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Forgot to add, not that this makes any difference, that I wrote Brien reports on each bat as I tested them, as I do for the others I've done. Do not think he liked what I wrote, but also included one form other players I sent 2 bats (proto-types) to St George with last year.
Have done the RT and TZ at Anderson, so no reports were made, but I use them both.
Dec. 15, 2004
MK39
Men's 50
333 posts
taits:
i am a ittle confused here. Please advise as to which bat has the 2004 ASA stamp. Is it the Decker Jump bat which i still can;t find on the ASA websire or is it the C4 Combat which i can find on the ASA website??
Please advise
Thanks Mike
Dec. 15, 2004
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The Jumb has the 2004 label but is not approved...
The C-4 also carries it, & is approved.
Dec. 16, 2004
Walk
192 posts
I know you asked Mike this question and I am not sure my reply is wanted but I have hit the Jump and the C4. Broke the Jump in less than 100 swings. It did hit well but did not last. The C4 hit close enough with the Jump to warrant it to be better because it is still going strong.

Sorry if I intruded.
Walk
Dec. 16, 2004
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I agree with that. You must hit harder than I do bacuse with the 26\27 oz bats they lasted 600, but then in pieces.
Dec. 16, 2004
MK39
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333 posts
taits: Walk:
Thanks for the imput Bruce Walker. u da man

taits:
Bruce hits the ball harder then most and is a bully on bats.

Most manufactures who use guys like Bruce to test there bats expect that they will break them about 3 to 4 times faster then a normal player and they use that as a chart for the durability.

I was up at the DeMarini plant earlier this year and a monster of a man was hitting the Dark in the indoors cages set up that they have and totally destroyed the bat in 50 hits, i caught the tail end of it and was amazed. Anyways Jerry Garnett of DeMarini explined based on what the big boy did that it would have lasted a normal guy around 300 swings and it was back to the drawing boards cuz that just aint good enuff.

Still dont know anything about the jump but i did hit the combat C4 last year and decided it was a good bat but nothing that i wanted to sell. there are too many better composites bats out right now and it gets confusing if everyone claims to have the best bat.
best slowpitch bats right now
Miken
Easton
DeMarini
Worth
all the rest
JMO
Thanks
Mike Kelly Kelly's Sports 50+
Dec. 16, 2004
sjuhoops
123 posts
hello mike,
this is hank from las vegas. because of the ruling handed down last friday our 60 major plus sin sity sixties is no longer. we tried to combine with arizona and 5 guys from southern california. but on friday last we were told of the new rule. now we have 3 60 major plus players in nevada, 3 in arizona, 0 in utah, 0 in oregon and 0 in idaho that we know about. that leaves us with 6 guys and no team. now we are trying to form a 55 major team and have commitments from 9 guys, 6 of which are 60plus. we in vegas have no where to play at our level. we want to play major plus but cant. kind of ironic with other teams playing down. we have been calling all three states to find 14 players. so far 9 definite and 3-4 on the fence. meanwhile the bandits are so upset they are going after great players in california not just the northern cal. guys and they will have a unbelievable team. all of this could have been avoided. however you mentioned the fact td's that have teams involved make the rules. seems to be a conflict there.
jmho mike and bruce thanks for listening and if you know any guys that can help us please give them my address.
thanks
hank
take care and have a great holiday
Dec. 17, 2004
MK39
Men's 50
333 posts
sjuhoops:
Hank:
Thr ruling from the past weekend was only in regards to 1 extra player from anywhere in the us. Your need was more to have an open border with Ca. which i myself would not have a problem with.

Gary has a great program and a winning tradition and i am sure he will stay withim his boundry while still putting togehter the best team he can, that is all he can do.

Hennesy and the rest act like they really care about the Major plus program but just like i still see to this day in Younger softball, the upper divisions have vanished and it in now the bread and buttler lower divisions.

I ran tournaments for 5 years before going full time with my store and i loved the 20 team events and did not care much for the 5 team events.

Why, because they did not make any money and complicated everything just a little more. I think that is how this one is going as well.

Sorry about the pickle your in and wish there was something i could do.

Happy Holidays
Mike Kelly Kelly's Sports 50+
Dec. 17, 2004
sjuhoops
123 posts
thanks mike. actually they had a meeting about our team since we had approached the big three two months ago and asked if our region could be expanded to southers california for all age groups not just us. both terry and ridge contacted gary tryhorn as our team had asked them to do and he had no proble with our team drawing from so cal. asthey have only 4-6 guys turning 60 that want to play major plus. as of the day before the big three got together for a conference call the rule you are talking about was going to remain the same and our situation we going to be allowed. somehow a tournament director that has a team involved in the 60's managed to have things turn in his favor where he can draw from 5 -6 states. just want to fill you in on some things you may not be aware of.
thanks mike for listening.
happy holidays
hank
hopefully 55 something or retired
Dec. 17, 2004
Walk
192 posts
When these regional rules first came about I said it will kill the upper divisions and now it is starting to do just that.

But what is the real crime here is that the game is no longer decided between the lines. No now it is decided by some conference call where a TD crys about getting beat. I wonder what will be next if GT builds a CA team to beat these fellows? Will they divided CA into fourths?

You see this could all be avoided if the Major plus division was just opened up. Some of the best games the Mavericks played were against DS when he had his big team. The games were hard fought and while DS had the bigger budget we gave just as much as we got. Man those were the days when the game was decided on the field and not by some rule that only helps the TD's team. Sad thing is those days were just 5 years ago.

Walk
Dec. 17, 2004
MK39
Men's 50
333 posts
sjuhoops:
Hank

I had ni idea that behind closed that was on there agenda as well and this is still part of the problem with these has you want to call them the big 3?? i have my own special name for them =hahaha
anyway, a poitical atmosphere = behind closed doors with parts leaking out about he said she said.
All converstaions that result in a request for a rule change or anything that results in any change in our program should be posted by these guys on the front page of there website to eliminat guessing what went on and who said what. the vote should be posted and reasons given for the verdict.

I am really starting to believe that these 3 out to just get a divorce and go there own ways and run there own events the way they see fit or better yet listen to the players more. They cant agree on much and still do whatever they want to do anyways. it is a bad joke for sure.
JMO
Happy Holidays
Mike Kelly Kelly's Sports 50+
Dec. 17, 2004
sjuhoops
123 posts
hello bruce. im with you on that. bring back the old dan smith days. there are fewer and fewer major plus players that want to play major plus let us play. i can believe this is december 17th and we still dont have enough of guys to field a team. of cours be able to draw from idaho and oregon relly helps. result of this big 3 meeting one less 60 major plus team. probably down to two or three in the whole country. im sorry do i seem upset. thanks for listening. what are your plans. we are loking for more 55 guys we have 9 definite with 4 more bangers possibly.
take care and have a great holiday.
hope to be playing next year
hank
Dec. 17, 2004
sjuhoops
123 posts
bruce im sorry for the misspelling im just a little upset after we were led to believe that this was going to be ok
hank
Dec. 17, 2004
Walk
192 posts
Hank I understand believe me I do. One of the association heads told me to my face I could play with the AAA team here in KC but once I do then they have to move to Major. Well they cannot win at the AAA level at the worlds so why would they move? Answer is they won't!!!

What we all should do is play in the AAA level and then watch the chain reaction start. There are reasons why we have different levels and the Major Plus level should be wide open and just play softball the way it use to be.

Maybe we should start our own association. I know of a new association that started in CA and they want to get into senior softball real bad. They listen to the players and the worlds are held at the BLD fields.
Walk
Dec. 18, 2004
DoubleL10
Men's 65
811 posts
Mike / Bruce / Hank - I agree that "the good old days" were just that. It is hard to believe all that was only five years ago!

I had a lot of fun playing with Dan Smith's teams with Hank and several other great players. I've been fortunate enough to play a season with Bruce and in a California tournament with Mike. All three are class guys, serious ballplayers and fun to play with and be around.

I certainly agree that, as strange as it may seem, we were better off (as Major Plus players) back then. Anyone could play anywhere. What ultimately caused the regionalization was certain teams with big budgets dominating the division - Dan Smith and Sawtre. I thought we would be better off with the regionalization rules but regardless of what rules are in play, someone always has an axe to grind or wants to tweak the rules to their and/or their teams advantage.

I used to really enjoy RBs tournaments until the last couple of years. For me, having moved to Houston from Virginia five years ago, going to Virginia to play softball was going home and seeing my old friends and visit old hangouts. Now, with all the stuff that has happened over the last two years, I doubt if I will be going back with a Texas team to play either ISF or ISSA.

I guess what I am trying to say is there is no ideal solution but I certainly agree with Mike, Bruce and Hank that the players - not TDs or Association Directors, who oftentimes have their own agendas - should be the ones who develop the rules that we play by.

Sorry for the dissertation, but I have read all comments on this area with a lot of attention and thought it time to speak my piece.

Happy Holidays to all and hope to see everyone healthy on the fields in 2005!

Larry Lopez
Mission Softball 55s
Dec. 18, 2004
sjuhoops
123 posts
hi larry. thanks for the kind words. it was fun with the old dan smith team and the competition was teriffic. even though there were not that many teams at the major plus level each and every game meant something. it would be nice to get back to that. hope the td's listen to the players. it was a pleasure playing with you as you are a class guy. say hello to pam and have a great holiday and hope to see you next year
hank
hopefully some team in 2005
Dec. 19, 2004
DoubleL10
Men's 65
811 posts
Hank-Best to you and your family this Christmas season. I hope everything works out so you guys in Vegas can play at the level you desire in 2005. How about that "old coot" Cecil...when does he turn 60? As I recall, he is still a relative youngster?? I'll be up there with you guys in 2006!

Happy Holidays,
Larry


Dec. 19, 2004
sjuhoops
123 posts
hi larry. yes we tried that youngster cecil he's only 57 but at this time he is not playing. thanks for trying to give us a warm body to be our 11th man.
take care an barko says to say hello
hank
Dec. 20, 2004
barko34
19 posts
Hank and Larry;
I'm sure if he could figure out the Internet, Davide would add his holiday wishes to both of you and the families, so I'll do it for him. All the best from both of us.
BTW, if you all could get something going with our own rules for the major +'s, I'm sure you can count on the Statesmen.
Barko
Dec. 20, 2004
DoubleL10
Men's 65
811 posts
Barko-All the best to you and your family this Christmas season. Please pass my wife, Pam, and my best regards to John as well. Looking forward to seeing everyone between the lines in '05! DoubleL10
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