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Discussion: New Miken Ultra II vs Ultra II Legacy

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Nov. 9, 2008
60 going on 40
Men's 60
25 posts
New Miken Ultra II vs Ultra II Legacy
Does anyone have an opionon on these two bats. Is one better than the other and if so why?.
Nov. 10, 2008
Duke
Men's 60
725 posts
Hey 60/40,

I had asked the same question to a Miken representative in Phoenix. Basically, there is no difference in performance of the bat. Besides the color, there is only one main difference. The Miken Ultra II costs less money, and does not come with any warranty. The Ulyra II Legacy costs more money, and comes with a one year warranty. The Lagacy is built to last longer, so they can warranty it. Not sure why but maybe It is just out with the old and in with the new. That is what I was told.

Andy :-)
Nov. 10, 2008
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2688 posts
60/40, my thinking is that since you might be playing on a team against my team, that you should buy and use the Legacy. :)
I can't do that. You are doing the right thing in asking if anyone has use this bat. A teammate has one and it is no better than an ASA bat.
I would not recommend this bat for its performance/pop.
Nov. 10, 2008
bashbro1
Men's 60
266 posts
Just my opinion and first hand experience

There seems to me to exist, a fundamental law of bats made from composite materials in the current manufacturing process, that is, an undeniable trade off or inverse relationship existing between 1) durability and 2) performance of a composite bat. In my opinion, the engineers have NOT yet solved this age old problem of producing a very hot bat like the U2 and other senior bats on the market today, and at the same time a bat that lasts say for an entire season. The thinner the engineers can make the walls the greater the trampoline effect. The thicker the walls the less trampoline and hence greater durability.

Now I understand that some bats that are top performers on the senior market today, may have durability greater than others, but only slightly. Case in point, I do believe the Combats are nearly equal with the U2 and the Worth 510 for pop/distance and they do last longer, and that’s primarily why I use them. From my first hand knowledge of the U2 Legacy its inner walls are thicker than a U2 and are longer lasting for sure. I don’t believe that the Legacy has nearly the pop a U2 does given the basic law of tradeoff of pop and durability.

The Legacy with its thicker walls, can more readily support a manufacture’s warranty and you’re right, you’ll pay more for a bat with a one time warranty. A teammate of my used his Legacy for 14 months before it cracked and by that time of course the warranty had expired. He told me he could never get out of his Legacy what he got out of a U2 and that was my experience as well.

Bashbro1 (Playing for Ruth 60’s and a member of the SSUSA All-World team Majors)
Nov. 10, 2008
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Bash, you monster(growl)
I agree with you.
Pop on the U2 is quicker to the max level
it seems to me than the Combat
but I prefer the Combat to Ultra 2 for durability
end loading and great pop when broken in.
My Super Freak got another step higher in BP
last week and is very close to U2 with an end load, now.
You should check one out, Bash
and let me/us know.
Say hi to the Barista girls for me
and if they ever want to come to SF...
(only in my dreams)
Nov. 10, 2008
Lefty
Men's 65
498 posts
einstein sent my Super Freak back last week. Only a month old and it broke in half on the handle. I'm trying to get Miken to give me another one and still have a waranty. I hit longer balls with the Super Freak than any senior bat that I have. I've got everyone of them. I don't see how they let the young guys hit with this sick bat. Great Bat.
Nov. 10, 2008
jrhunch
103 posts
bashbro,i agree with you for the most part but the original ultra2 with warrenty lasted for a long time.i owned 2 of them 1 lasted 5 years and the other almost 4.over the last 3 years the newer batches seem to suck.i think mlken changed something in production.keep hitting.pace #11.
Nov. 11, 2008
bashbro1
Men's 60
266 posts
jrHunch! Oh yea, right your are for certain on the very first productions of the Ultra II with the round 2000 ASA certification logo on them. What a bat that was back then and was $299.00 with a 1 year warranty that replaced the banned Ultra Grey. I should have made it clear in my piece that I was talking only about the recent U2 produced without warranty and under $200.00.

Someone recently stated that if you look at them cross-eyed they’ll fracture. In fact (tongue in cheek of course) I ordered some here just last month and they arrived UPS with stickers all over the box…”FRAGILE **** DO NOT DROP ***** FRAGILE”!! LOL

bashbro1 aka bash Ruth 60’s Major champs for 1008
Dec. 19, 2008
brian warner
Men's 55
53 posts
I thought just like everyone else. That the U2 was a better bat untill I tried the Legacy yesterday. I took 40 pitches and hit 18 of them over a 300ft fence. I'm not saying it will replace my Combats. But by no means is it at the ASA level,
Dec. 19, 2008
Lefty
Men's 65
498 posts
einstein: Miken Sports stepped up and gave me a new super freak to replace the one I sent in with the broken handle. Went hit with it off a tee today and it hit great right out of the rapper. Great bat.
Dec. 26, 2008
RonHarp
Men's 60
7 posts
The bats are different. The ultra ll is better. The Legacy is made for players under 50 years of age that are not allowed to use the ultra ll. That is straight from the factory and shows in their performance.
Dec. 26, 2008
Dbax
Men's 60
1294 posts
How would that be possible, as the Legacy is only legal in senior ball? It is banned in ASA, USSSA, and NSA.
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