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Discussion: Winter Natl's in Fl.

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Nov. 17, 2008
brian warner
Men's 55
53 posts
Winter Natl's in Fl.
We just got back from playing and I have to say this was one of worst umpired tournaments I've ever seen. Here we are playing in a big tournament and all we have is 1 umpire per game. Plus we had a umpire who was calling his 1st slow pitch game ever. Then when we get to the finals they give us 2 umpires, but 1 of them has a broken knee cap. Now how can he do his job. This was all done with the directors standing there. There were several calls at 3rd that he couldn't get too. And the other ump. kept saying sorry he couldn't cover all the bases. But the day before they could cover everything alone. Then the pitchers box. One time you hit the pitcher your out then just hit box and your out. Then we get told by UIC you have to hit the torso not a arm or a leg. Might as well called it a Sunday social and had the pastor call the games from the shade of the old oak tree.
Nov. 17, 2008
Brett
Men's 55
239 posts
Hey, Brian! glad to see you are still around. What team are you playing with?
Nov. 17, 2008
brian warner
Men's 55
53 posts
Hi Brett, I'm playing with Pinehurst Pub. A team out of Tampa,Fl. We play AAA, we took 2nd at SPA Nat'l and this weekend At SSUSA as well. Hows things going for your team?
Nov. 17, 2008
wagon487
Men's 50
524 posts
We had an umpire in Naples that couldn't raise his right hand so I never knew when he was calling a strike. I play in the outfield.
Nov. 17, 2008
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
You could/should have explained yourself to him, and asked him to raise his other arm. Most likely would have worked just fine.
Nov. 17, 2008
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2665 posts
We played at North Collier in Naples also. Our first umpire said he would call a dead ball out if a hit ball went through the pitcher's box. None called that game. For the next 4 games the umpires said it must hit the pitcher. It wasn't called in the 4 games even though our pitcher was hit on the foot. Apparently he had moved toward second out of the pitcher's box.
Nov. 17, 2008
CAT
148 posts
We had that "halo" call made against us in Phoenix and it knocked us right out of the finals in the winners bracket....With this call being highly judgemental, the controversy will NEVER end...My feeling is that there should be a verbal warning to the hitter and as well noted.The notices could be kept on an card such as the score card and exchanged to the TD after every game..Then if the player does it for a second offense, it would be an automatic out....and the 3rd. or 4th. time, a game suspension. I know there is a little work involved, but the fees that we pay could warant the issue....I do not think that the majority of us are good enough to maliciously try to hurt someone....at least I hope they don't.Most of us have to go to work at the beginning of the week to provide and income.
Nov. 17, 2008
BONES
Men's 60
93 posts
DBO----i'VE SAID THIS b/4 . to much of a judgement call and will never be consistent. NEVER----the pitcher has options to wear protective gear----leg pads----face mask---helmet--chest protector---what ever his little heart desire. THAT SHOULD REMAIN OPTIONAL. HITTING UP THE MIDDLE IS PART OF THE GAME. Tournament players /pitchers know what their chances are. You have the optional to wear protective gear. If you can't protect yourself or your not sure wear the gear. Simple as that--Quit trying to add screens,pitchers boxes,field dimintions,different balls, different bats etc, etc. As a pitcher that is my opinion on the subject. Stay health and play well
SB
Nov. 17, 2008
BONES
Men's 60
93 posts
BRIAN WARNER---sorry i got away from your orginal thread i apolize.I owe you one----TC
SB
Nov. 17, 2008
monty25
Men's 55
96 posts
Howdy ,Brian so you got he same raw deal as we did by this umpire. thought y'all would win it all. hope to see you early next season. later mony25;kayson's grille
Nov. 17, 2008
wingfoot
16 posts
i could not agree more about the umps! some even said
they were not familiar with rules and oh well its just this
weekend! We just thought the lighting was bad in
Phoenix, this was just as bad if not worse. When a
55plus player hits the ball up the middle and the
pitcher cannot see it coming it really doesn't matter if
there is a "rule" to protect the pitcher if he can't see it
because of the poor lighting.
ps: if we plan on using the one piece mat instead of the
mat & the home plate, MAKE THE WHOLE MAT WHITE.
Nov. 18, 2008
brian warner
Men's 55
53 posts
Hey Monty25 Kayson grille heres my e-mail bd.warner@yahoo.com hit me up I need to ask you something
Nov. 18, 2008
Brett
Men's 55
239 posts
Hi again Brian. We (KC Barons - 50 major) had a very good year, but unfortunately bombed out in Phoenix at the SSUSA worlds. We had very high expectations going to Phoenix, but we didn't hit anywhere near what we nornally do. This year we won 7 tournaments and took 3rd in the SPA and ISA national tournaments. I hope to run in to you somewhere next year at a tournament.
Nov. 18, 2008
jah#4
Men's 55
551 posts
We had some good umpires I believe the uic's didn't have a meeting with all the umpires before the tourney started. I saw the ISA shirts the rules differ a great deal. The height of the pitch is one example. The one umpire per game didn't help some call because they where out of position to see the complete play, most of the one man crew hustled and did the best they could
Don Ward
Kittrell's softball
Nov. 18, 2008
stucco hank
4 posts
The best thing they can do is to scrap that rule. No matter what umpire you have they will call it different. And Monty
I blame the UIC for having that umpire working at all.
He really screwed you guys on that one call, everyone in
the park got it right except for the umpirers. Brian got it right
every ump you asked about the rule gave a different view.
Hope everyone has a good holiday and see you next year.
Hank Pinehurst Pub
Nov. 18, 2008
RedEye
Men's 60
92 posts
Don & Kittrell's Congrads on winning the 55 Major in Naples.
It was good to see you & Bruce again, sorry that Elmo wasn't there.
You & your team are all class acts & we had 2 very exciting games against you, thought we were going to pull out the last game with our last at bat in the 7th.
Good Luck & hope to see you next year.
#6 RedEye (John Mayes)
Steel Dawgs 55's
Nov. 18, 2008
wagon487
Men's 50
524 posts
Dirty, I did ask him to raise his other arm, that would last about two pitches. I got tired of asking.
Nov. 19, 2008
Bobbyc
2 posts
My team played in 55AAA in Cape Coral and generally speaking the umpires did a pretty good job. They did their best to keep control over some difficult situations presented to them, particularly over the "hit pitchers rule".

I would like to get to play at the other fields in the Ft. Myers tournament.
Nov. 20, 2008
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2665 posts
The fields at North Collier were great! The infields were somewhat soft, so soft that I let the first two ground balls get by me under my glove (anyway thats my excuse!). As a hitter I loved the long Bermuda grass in the outfield. With the 325' fences the outfielders were playing around 300'. A couple of my singles turned in to triples because the grass slowed balls to a stop around 225'. The ourfielders had to charge all balls that were hit on the ground. The best I recall I only had a couple of singles, most were doubles.
Nov. 20, 2008
Robo2
223 posts
Congrats to TNT 55 AAA. Once again, you guys did a great job and you deserve the victory.
Joe Lobman
Sweet 55
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