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| Dec. 26, 2004 crusher Men's 75 524 posts | Exemptions Question O.T.D. On the Playnsa you can login and ask Eddie Ray a direct question. He will almost always answer in 1hour to 2 days. If not him one of the staff will normally answer. You do not have to be a member to login and can pick a name at login time. Later, Crusher |
| Dec. 27, 2004 BillyMac Men's 55 91 posts | crusher: Thanks for the input. I also am in need of this info. I have e-mailed NSA and also posted the question on their message board. OTD: I will post the answer on this site when I have it. peace B Mac |
| Dec. 28, 2004 BillyMac Men's 55 91 posts | OTD: Here is the answer which I rec'd from Eddie Ray inregards your question concerning NSA. "Pg. 61 of the 2005 Rule Book Rule 5 The Game Sec 9 (5th note) reads: Rosters will be based upon state boundaries. A player may only play with a team from their own state or a state whose borders touch the borders of the player's own state with the exception of players from California and Florida. EXCEPTION: Players from California and Florida must play on teams from their own state and players from states that border California and Florida cannot play on teams from California and Florida. There is no mention of 1 player from any other state." Hope this helps. peace B Mac |
| Dec. 28, 2004 einstein Men's 50 3112 posts | NSA says, blah-blah-blah, „Except California∑ To them, I live and play from California and that makes me the best in the country so much so that I have to be handicapped. Then we‚re the best before, during and after any games are played, it seems to me. And anyone who participates willingly in the systematic unfairness is saying that too. OK. I really think my team, Kelly‚s is the best, too. We all live within 80 miles of a central point located not far from the San Andreas Fault in the Bay Area. Rhode Island is bigger than that. So why haven‚t we received any recognition or ranking as such. Either we are the best and you give us our due or we aren‚t and keep the rules fair and square for everyone, seems to me. Major Plus are the best players/teams in the country. No restrictions. The best amateurs against the best, like the Olympics. Wait a minute, do we have to give the runner from Ceylon a 2 minute head start because he comes from a town with only 6 males in it? Preposterous. I‚ll tell you something. We ARE the best and that means Thermco and PineKnob should not put up with wanting us restricted or handicapped because then they can never really beat us, fair and square. Under restricted conditions, they can never say like we can, that we are the best team in the country. It would be just like winning a tournament using illegal bats and I wouldn‚t put up with it for a second. Our mantra in Major Plus Senior Softball should simply be‰ Bring it on.‰ Our best and your best in a fair and equal contest and if you think you will kick our ass, to quote some of my New York friends, „Then you better pack a lunch‰. So, right now the NSA has declared California teams the best in the country. Thanks for the recognition. Now open up the competition and see who can knock us off, fair and square. Major Plus is no place for cowards or losers who talk and act like winners. |
| Dec. 29, 2004 Older Than Dirt Men's 50 28 posts | crusher & Billy Mac: Thank you for your help in finding out the answer to my question. See you in the spring. I hope it gets here soon. |
| Dec. 29, 2004 Older Than Dirt Men's 50 28 posts | Einstein: You sound like a broken record. WINTER HAVEN, FLORIDA - The National Senior Summit is scheduled for January 15 and 16, 2005. This will be the 7th annual meeting where all the sanctioning bodies for senior softball get together to review the "State of Senior Softball in America." Anyone with concerns and/or information that you would like discussed at this meeting should contact one of the delegates. Each member association will have two delegates present and a number of players from throughout the Country will be present as Advisary Board Members. If you want change, make the trip. Crying on here will do no good. |
| Dec. 30, 2004 einstein Men's 50 3112 posts | Dear Dirt. You confuse crying with trying. Hmmmmm. Why did you chose to denigrate me instead of commenting substantially on what I have to say? What do you THINK about what I am saying. Or perhaps you're overmatched and would favor restricting me to 5 letter words so you could compete. Listen. at it's best, a forum is a place to discuss stuff, of substance. I made an argument that the whole system is skewed regardless of who's involved. Let's try it again. What do you THINK about restricting California and Florida in national tournaments? Do you think it's fair and will produce a true Major Plus champion? I don't. That's the argument and next time use your head... and you won't get caught bringing a knife to a gunfight. |
| Dec. 30, 2004 BillyMac Men's 55 91 posts | Einstein: I know that you didn't ask ME what I think about what you had to say, but I'm going to tell you anyway. First of all, I agree with what you have to say about the restrictions, but I totally disagree with the way you go about saying it. Thermco and Pine Knob are not at fault for the way things are with these rules. So why are you naming them, and making it seem as though they are involved in some type of conspiracy to keep you down. If it was up to me, there would be NO restrictions, period. Then we would have the BEST AGAINST THE BEST, the way that it used to be. But it isn't up to me, so I'll do the best that I can with the rules as they exist for now. That having been said, let me ask you this, with the entire state of California at your disposal for players, and with your obvious desire to be considered the best team in the country, WHY are you limiting yourself to an eighty mile radius for your players? California is a huge state, and I'm sure that there are quality people in other parts of the state who could make your team even better. Now, as for your statement about a forum being a place for discussions about "stuff" with substance, how does your statement, "Major Plus is no place for cowards or losers who talk and act like winners." fit into the category of "stuff" with substance? "Sticks and Stones" as it were. It's also time for you to back off on the illegal bat thing. How about this. I'm absolutely positive that all the bats that Kelly's used last year were juiced. That is why you guys all used the same bat. Now, let me ask you. "Does that statement piss you off or what?" I said many of the things that I did in my past post because I was angry and distraught about the accusations being made about my team. I have all kinds of respect for your team, but none at all for the way you guys conduct yourselves on this board. You're not doing yourself any favors with the way you are trying to make your case. If you want to be #1, then you're going to have to come out and play in "ALL" the world and national tournaments, not just those you are in agreement with about their rules. |
| Dec. 30, 2004 docnorm Men's 55 99 posts | The quote "Shut up and play" Does that mean anything :) The best of the rest should be decided on the field. All in fun here guys, relax and have fun and a good season, but lets not batter each other here lets work together to get things changed :) We are to old to let these small things bother us and take away from our wonderful fun sport of SOFTBALL. Have a great season, see you on the field. HAPPY NEW YEAR everyone! |
| Dec. 30, 2004 Walk 192 posts | „If you want change, make the trip. Crying on here will do no good.‰ (Older than Dirt) I made the trip once and what I found out was if you are not on the advisory board or a summit rep you have a slim and next to none chance of being heard. You see while this is a good concept in theory it is not a good concept in reality especially in this case where the rule has already been made and already endorsed. The first qualifier takes place next weekend and the CA Major Plus 50+ team I play for (I live in KC MO) has already asked if I could play for them and they have already been denied. They were told point blank by one of the association head this new rule was in place and here to stay NO MATTER WHAT! And since the rule is in place and a tournament will be held under the rule then the rule becomes permanent for the rest of this year. Isn‚t it amazing how „The National Senior Summit‰ which „is scheduled for January 15 and 16, 2005‰ will be held after the first tournament of the year which will be played under this new rule (this tournament has been scheduled and played on this same weekend for the past seven years). Last year at the SPA worlds this was also discussed and it was stated by the head of the association that this new rule was IN PLACE AND WOULD STAY NO MATTER WHAT! So it has been decided by those in charge that CA and FL are just too good for the rest of the country∑∑∑∑∑Or maybe it has been decided by a certain association head who runs a team that did not win a world tournament (he lost it to a CA team) he thought he should have between the lines that the time has come to win world championship (he has 25 how many more does he need?) by changing rules. And since he threw a big fit and cried and complained to the other association heads they felt like they needed to mollify him and thus change the rules. Einstein said „Now open up the competition and see who can knock us off, fair and square. Major Plus is no place for cowards or losers who talk and act like winners.‰ The problem is Einstein they cannot win the games fair and square so they have to invent rules to help them out. In this case a CA team using a legal exempt player beat up on team from the east (they won by one run) who happens to be run by one of the association heads so the rule has to be changed. This same team went on to beat a part-time owner of one of the associations team by one run in the same tournament so he used his position of authority to help change the rule. So what does this all mean? Well it is simple if you look at it. The rule is in place and the first tournament of the year will be played under this rule, so no rule change. The people in charged changed the rule to benefit their own self serving interest and nothing more. This year CA and FL will stand on their own in certain associations (some associations that do listen to the players have not changed the rules and there are two) which means they have been dubbed the best since the rules have been changed to hurt them thus making the rule unfair. So when these two states once again compete and possible win many of the world tournaments this coming year what will be the new rule for 2006? I would say to divide the states into fourths that would then indemnify that our two cry babies can win their worlds. I find it amazing that a few years ago a statement was made by one of these two guy and he stated; „why should we make a rule that only serves the very few?‰ (this was statement was talking about the exempt players status). Now they are making a rule to appease two people who happen to be association heads or part owners, talk about satisfying the very few and privileged. So explain to me how making the trip would make a difference since the rule is already primed? In actuality the only voice those of us not invited to sit on the summit or to be a player advisory rep has is here. Of course our other voice is to play in the only associations that do not partake in such self serving actions. The SSWS is one of those associations. Walk (50+ Major Plus CA team) (55+ AAA Kansas City team where I live. We have nothing higher here) PS Billy I believe and I might be wrong here that CA in the SSWC is cut in half and Northern CA cannot draw from Southern CA and now add to that this rule and it is not fair. You are right the best of the best should be allowed to play. The major plus division should be allowed to draw from anywhere. Or at least cut the country in half at the Mississippi river. There are some of us stuck in the middle of the country that do not have a place to play. All anyone has to do is look at the placement of the Major plus teams and they will find they are either on the west coast or east coast with only a very few in the Southwest. Besides this regional rule was suppose to increase the number of Major Plus teams and it did not do that. I believe it was to help some TD move their teams from Major to Major plus and that is all but that is just MHO. As far as the bats go and I really don't know what happened I was not there and I am not saying anything about that in the above statement. The two times I played you guys at the LVSSA worlds and the SSWS world in 2003 with the Mavericks (I am the KC guy) I found your team hard nose with a will to win. Other than that no problems. |
| Dec. 30, 2004 Older Than Dirt Men's 50 28 posts | Walk: Very well put...I obviously am not as informed as you appear to be. You have brought some things to light that I was unaware of, and quite succinctly (how's that for a five letter word) I might add. Thanks for the input about no chance of the rules being changed for 2005. You are absolutely right about the timing of the summit being very poor. i mean it when I say thank you. I have learned from your post. Einstein: I have no interest in getting into a pissing match with you, although you did resort to some very old, very worn cliches in your attack on me. I must have struck a nerve. SORRY ABOUT THAT. I should have said "Trying on here will do no good." If it is true that CA is divided into North & South, then that is trully bogus, and I am in your corner for change. By the way, I'm not "dirt", I'm even older. |
| Dec. 30, 2004 einstein Men's 50 3112 posts | Hey BillyMac, Thanks for the thoughtful reply. I mean it. I like it when people tell me what the truly think and feel regarding subjects that are important to me. I like a lot of the guys on Thermco both as players and people. Your guys are very competitive. I like your coach and I agree that he's a stand up guy. Hey Gary and Stu. If someone accused us, at Kelly's, of illegal bats it would be hard to take seriously cause we don't use 'em. None of us. We know we don't use 'em. I would more be amused than offended 'cause the accusation would be ludicrous. But that's me. Walk talked some time ago about how people always accuse him of using juiced bats. Goes with the territory, he said, of being able to hit the ball hard and far. I agree. I never said or meant in the sentence that includes both Thermco and Pineknob that anyone used any illegal bats. I was referring to restricting California. Go back and read it again. Yet, you took it as an opportunity to suggest you were being attacked again, for using illegal bats and that I'm accusing PineKnob, too. Pathetically wrong. I have found PineKnob to be stand up, great guys and terrific competitors. Same with Damon's and Las Vegas Stars. And many others. Shakespeare talks about the meaning behind a man who 'protests too much' much more eloquently than I and I think you should lighten up a bit about it if you can, because no one is going to take you to court on the issue... it's over, and continue to assert as we do on Kelly's that there will be no violations in the future and further, no tolerance of anyone trying to secure any unfair advantage in any true major plus national championship. |
| Dec. 30, 2004 BillyMac Men's 55 91 posts | Einstein: Thanks for clarifying your statements. You're probably right about me being too touchy about the bat thing, but the wound has not scabbed over yet, and whenever it gets touched it still stings. I also was unaware that, along with the touching states thing, you also were not granted the one exception that others have been afforded. That is definitely not right. I am going to the summit , and will voice my opposition to this. I would prefer to war on the field, and have common goals off the field. We can accomplish much more that way. Please don't think that I'm blowing smoke about this, because I am sincere. peace B Mac ps, I liked your allusion to "Methinks thou dost protest too much." |
| Dec. 30, 2004 einstein Men's 50 3112 posts | Hey Billy Mac and Dirt, You guys are stand up gentlemen and scholars, too. BillMac, I know who you are. You show again by the class of your remarks that just like in "The Champ", the champ alway come through in the end. Thanks for being generous and understanding. You have a terrific team and played the best ball consitently through out the year. Thermco deserves all the accolades of being true champions and a lot of that has to do with you. Congratulations to all of you. Thanks for understanding about the exemption thing relating the California and I look forward to seeing you and playing against you all next year. |
| Dec. 30, 2004 einstein Men's 50 3112 posts | Hey Guys, I got so excited that we seemed to settle something important that I dashed off the above message without checking my spelling or typing. I'm embarrassed but I think a lot better than I type, thank goodness. Happy holidays to all senior softball players and you, too, A/C, See you all next year. |
