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Discussion: 2009 ISA world

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Jan. 12, 2009
JohnBob
Men's 60
246 posts
2009 ISA world
I see that Jerry Jackson has moved this Tournament from St. Louis to Gallatin ,Tn outside of Nashville July 31th to Aug 2rd
Jan. 12, 2009
smooth01
Men's 50
121 posts
That is probably a good decision on his part, as he might find some teams that didn't attend the St Louis tournament last year .When making plans for tyour tournaments this year ,I would hope teams keep in mind the decisions that were made at last years ISA World.
Jan. 13, 2009
JohnBob
Men's 60
246 posts
I hope teams will come to this tourney we went to St Louis the last 3 years 1st 2 yr's were fine but last year with the rain it was a mess.. Jerry must not have been happy with the grounds crew and the poor drainage of some of the fields in St Louis so he moved tourney got to give him credit for that. I have never played in Gallatin, for the Nashville players how is this complex ?
Jan. 13, 2009
Garocket
Men's 55
149 posts
One of the better places in Tennessee to play. I am pretty sure no one will be disappointed.
Jan. 13, 2009
missouridave
Men's 55
71 posts
There were a number of issues with the tournament in St. Louis besides the weather. I play at the complex on a regular basis. The tournament could have been completed but the director chose not to go to one pitch and just collect his money. Not unusual for Mr. Jackson. Sorry to see St. Louis miss out on the tournament but not suprised because Jackson knows that participation would have been way down based on his actions in 2008.
Jan. 14, 2009
Lefty
Men's 65
470 posts
This is great for me just 30 minutes from the house. The park is fairly new I guess 4 to 5 years or less. It's been a while since I've been in that direction. Should get pretty many teams from the Texas line to the East Coast. Vsn't Wait.
Jan. 14, 2009
Garocket
Men's 55
149 posts
I am sure MR Jackson knew it was going to rain everthing out. Sounds like sour grapes to me Mr MissouriJoe. You guys beat everthing. If he had played one pitch you still would not have been happy , you sir are BAC+ bitcher and complanier. You have no Idea about running tournaments it sounds like you sound like little whining women JOE
Jan. 14, 2009
mad dog
Men's 60
3930 posts
garocket
ok you say,a guy who has to shell out upwards to $300 to play in a tourney if not more should just shut up.i have played in that tourney before and would not been one that i would go to again.if there wasn't any way to conclude the tourney then maybe a refund should have been issued.looks like the TD took the money and ran.if a TD runs a crappy tourney or makes no attempt to get fields into proper shape has no business running them.
Jan. 14, 2009
softball4b
Men's 60
732 posts
I have no dog in this fight, but why don't you guys who call eachother out actually put your information in the member section. Just seems right to me.

Real name: Michael Adair
Division: Men's 55
Location: Rancho Santa Margarita, CA
Jan. 14, 2009
tattooball
605 posts
Mike,
How are you feeling?
Jan. 14, 2009
butch17
Men's 55
415 posts
I think Mr. Jackson had a very tough call in St. Louis last year and a lot of it was probaly out of his control. When you rent a complex you are bound by what that park will or will not do. You have to make decisions based on teams that have travel arrangements, the parks policy such as ground crews. This is not the only tourney that has been called because of rain, that is why they try and play the winners bracket out on Sat. Our team was dissapointed we didnt get to finish properly but we understood. The ISA gives nice awards and Mr. Jackson has always treated us with respect. As far as a return on fees I doubt if he got any rebate back from the complex, he gave same amount of awards and probaly had to pay any umpires that showed up to work. how much money could he have run with? I did see him doing a rain dance though on Sat. night.
Jan. 14, 2009
softball4b
Men's 60
732 posts
Kevin,

I will let you know after this weekend. Playing in Menifee. Feel good, but we will see how that translates after I play ball. I only gained 3 lbs over Christmas, that is gotta be worth something.
Jan. 14, 2009
mad dog
Men's 60
3930 posts
not sure who you talking to mike,my info is there.i just wanted to know why garocket had to jump all the other guy.
sounds like something wrong you ok?hope so.
butch, see above .are you the butch who was at the huntsmans with cliff.if so whats up,this is your back-up pitcher.
Jan. 14, 2009
softball4b
Men's 60
732 posts
MD, you made my point. I have issues with people who belittle others from behind a curtain.
Jan. 14, 2009
butch17
Men's 55
415 posts
Maddog how are you? It was a pleasure playing in the Huntsman with you. Maybe we can do it again sometime.
If you talk to any of the guys tell them I said hi. Its going to be 0 degrees here tomorrow so I guess I will not be taking bp or fielding.
Jan. 15, 2009
missouridave
Men's 55
71 posts
In response to Garocket and butch17 here is the straight story from the director of the fields in Bridgeton:

Here is the response from the City of Bridgeton:


Thanks for taking the time to let me know your concerns regarding the ISA Senior Softball Tournament this past weekend. I will forward your comments and concerns, along with this response, to the Mayor and the Bridgeton City Council as you have requested.

First I would like to apologize for the information that you received with regard to why the remainder of the tournament was cancelled on Sunday. The decision was made based on the following information. I spoke with the tournament director, Jerry Jackson, at 8:45am and indicated that it was the ground crews belief that fields 7-11 would not be playable until approximately noon, possibly 1:00pm, and fields 3, 4, 5 would probably not be playable on Sunday at any time. With at 37-44 games (depending on the "if" games) remaining on the schedule, and all seven divisions still having games to be played, the tournament director made the decision to cancel the remainder of the event. He did not feel it was possible or fair to play certain divisions while cancelling other divisions in order to get some divisions completed. The original schedule had games scheduled to begin at 9:00am - 3:30pm. With games being pushed back 4 hours and using all 8 fields, the last game times would have been slotted for 7:30pm. I am aware that the option to shorten each game via the pitch count was an option, however due to losing three of the eight fields game times still would have been late into the night and some teams had voiced their concerns with regard to flights later that night. This however was a tournament matter and decision, not a complex decision.

With regard to dragging each field following the games, this was a decision made by the tournament director as to how often the fields would be drug.
At no time was there a request, either during the event or prior to the event, to schedule addition setups for any field other than the initial setup for the day. However, I was at the complex for the duration of the event and would disagree that the fields were in horrendous condition at 7:30pm.

The balls that are used are also a decision made by the tournament director, and not the complex. As you noted, the balls that were used this past weekend are different than the balls that are used for the Bridgeton leagues. I do not know what specifications are in place for the softballs that must be used for an ISA Senior Tournament.

Again, thank you for letting me know your concerns. If you have any other questions, please do not hesitate to give me a call or send me another email.


John Bell

Athletic Supervisor
City of Bridgeton
314-209-BMAC


As you can see, Mr. Jackson did have the opportunity to try and get the tournament in. He CHOSE not to bring in the crews to wok the fields.
Jan. 15, 2009
butch17
Men's 55
415 posts
missouridave that was my point he was going to be short 3 fields for the whole day and 5 others for 5-6 hours. I personally would like to have played but was at the complex at 11:00 am and the diamonds were a mess. I'm not agreeing with him but I do understand his concern about teams with travel plans and safety. Once again the tourney director can't win. He either upsets players that want to play, if he does and someone got hurt someone else is mad, if he plays and a team has to leave to catch flight they are mad the team they just put out of tourney before they left is mad this could go on and on. My long winded answer is just lets give these guys a break. If you have ever run a tourney you understand.
good luck to you and your team in 09. Butch
Jan. 15, 2009
Jerry Jackson
1 posts
I would like to correct Mr. Bells comment about me not bring in any help for the fields. Mr. Bell and I meet about 9am and toured the fields. At that time I was told that it might be 2pm before we could get started. I asked if we had any field help and was told there was on person waiting in the amintenance building. Also at htis time I was told we had lost the lower 3 fields.

Now you do the math, we had about 44 games or more to complete on 5 fields. If we started at 2pm, and that was an if starting time, we had 8 game to play on each field. That would have made us finish after midnight. No one would have been happy with that.

NO one wins when it rains. The last thing I want to do is work 100 hours putting a tournament together and not finish. And no one ran away with any money. It cost more to rain the tournament out than it would have to finish. Money was never on my mind.

Hope to see all of you in Gallatin.

Jerry Jackson
ISA Seniors Director
309-257-8772
jjackson@ntslink.net
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