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Discussion: Ammended rules now posted

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Jan. 15, 2009
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2665 posts
Ammended rules now posted
Check them out on the home page.

Here's the main one, imo:
ALL over the fence Home Runs after the maximum allowable per team per game limit has been reached will be recorded as OUTS.
Jan. 15, 2009
#19
Men's 60
252 posts
Oh my!... If memory serves me correctly, that means that at least one regular poster on this message board will be taking his bat and ball and going home, thereby making his prolific posts as irrelevant as he claims some others to be.
Jan. 16, 2009
jah#4
Men's 55
551 posts
bruce
Look what you have started now. Now that you are playing 60 ball you can hit one to Bob and see if he can catch as good as he types. Ha Ha
Don
Jan. 16, 2009
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
jah#4,he does and hits even better !!!
Jan. 16, 2009
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Hey Bruce,
This is slap in the face of all of us who've been struggling, playing,
bleeding and investing in senior softball in the last decade.
26 teams showed up in an SSUSA event last year
in Phoenix for the best, most fun and competitive tournament
I've been in since I was a senior.
What's wrong with those rules?
We played against a team
as good as the Mavericks 50 major plus
any day of the week and beat them.
We played with home runs being singles, not outs
just like we play in NCSSA, all the time.
What a blast.

For some reason having little or nothing to do with us
and what we want and say is best for us
SSUSA has changed our rules for this year
making home runs outs.
This will fundamentally change the character of the game
we played in Phoenix.

What was/is SSUSA thinking?
Why Dave and Terry do you guys think
this was/is a good move?
Cause it's what some old guys said
when they met in Florida?
Cause of what powerful associates said they want and need from you?
What game are you playing?
Not ours.

Everyone makes mistakes
even you guys and as long as you learn
from them
everything comes out all right in the end.
It's never too late to say you messed up.
Only real men and women who demand respect can do it.
Jan. 16, 2009
THE HI-JACKER
118 posts
#19: Bob, hope that you Bob, are having some fun. The both of you, have wronged each other. Knock yourselfs out.

Please, go at it like Cats & Dogs. Not sure what is or has been gained? But, brothers, go at it. Make "OUR" day.
Jan. 16, 2009
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2665 posts
Don, are you accusing me of stiring the pot??;)
Joe, I think I know thier reasoning for this rule. It's is an attempt to bring down the Major Plus level of play so more Major team can compete when they are moved up. Same for all other classes. If it means more teams in Major Plus brackets it might ge worth it.
Jan. 16, 2009
#19
Men's 60
252 posts
BruceinGa... you are absolutely correct... however Mr. Einstein may not be interested in your reasoning.

Thi-J... I've read your posts directed to another on this board... You know what they say about people who live in glass houses.

jah#4... don't give up your day job.

Mr. Einstein ... yawn
Jan. 16, 2009
mad dog
Men's 60
3937 posts
well i'm not sure about this rule,i think if you play the top div you should be able to hit as many as you can.i would put the limits on the lower div's myself,maybe something like this
major+ = unlimited
major = 5 this might be lo,but you don't want to many M+ type players in this div mucking things up
AAA = 3
AA = 1
as i see it if you lower the lower div hr's it should force teams up to where they belong.
if not then ss-usa needs to rank its players so as to be able to spread out the talent to keep from having super teams if they want more teams in upper div's.
Jan. 16, 2009
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Bob, you're no one.
No one to listen to.
No one to respect.
No one to care about.
No one of any importance.
No one.

Stay anonymous.
It will be better for you
if people don't know you for
the name calling, sneering coward you in fact are.
Jan. 16, 2009
doker
Men's 60
168 posts
HEY EINSTEIN....WITH THE AMOUNT OF MESSAGES AND COMMENTS U MAKE ABOUT THE RULES THAT WE ABIDE BY ,YOU REALLY HAVE NOTHING TO SAY TO #19....YOU HARDLY EVER AGREE WITH ANYTHING THAT IS CHANGED FOR THE GOOD OF THE GAME!!!!...THIS IS SENIOR SOFTBALL NOT WHAT U PLAYED 20 YEARS AGO...AND A MAJORITY OF THE PLAYERS ADHERE TO THE RULE CHANGES THAT THEY MAKE AT THE TOP!!!!HOW ABOUT STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT EVERYTHING AND WRITE SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE FOR US TO DISCUSS!!! JUST A THOUGHT, NOT TRYING TO BE NASTY AS U USUALLY ARE.....
Jan. 16, 2009
DesertGuy
Men's 60
224 posts
Mr. einstein: You are more predictable, and less interesting, than thousands of rats I've seen in mazes over decades of studying behavioral science. Your response predictability rate is astronomical on thre high side of the charts. Nothing changes except the topic. Agree with you or suffer the insufferable boredom of your no credibility response. Yopu are a bore.
Jan. 16, 2009
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Joey, they are all seeing through you now.
Jan. 16, 2009
softball4b
Men's 60
756 posts
I can't wait for the season to start in full force so you guys will concentrate on something besides who stole whose walker and whether or not your laxative is working.

You guys called out Joe first and then you are surprised he responded. Don't bother acting all offended, just take your attitudes to the ball field and hit something.

I will be doing that this weekend..........80 degrees.........sunny..........and seeing my buddies........;-)
Jan. 16, 2009
hitt2
354 posts
Hi Jacker
You’ve made some very interesting point this week on the site thank-you.
Einstein has valid points as to other on the site, and at time are very passionate about them and the desire for the game to remain pure. I agree with his wanting to know who he’s talking to him. I also respect those wanting privacy.
I don’t agree with lambasting a person for having an opinion. Opinions are like asshole we all have one. I like knowing whom I speaking with as it provides a base for constructive dialogue and respect. When that info isn’t available I either don’t respond or provide a respectful response. I want positive softball info on the game we love. Bickering doesn’t help the program.
Let’s get more info out on this 52 core ball use at the TOC.

Kevin
I’m not a major plus player but I would like to hit this ball to see what the noise is about. Can you send me 5 balls to hit? I want to try them mix with other balls to see if there is truly a negative to this ball.
Jan. 16, 2009
THE HI-JACKER
118 posts
HIT IT: I agree, nice post. "I want positive softball info on the game we love. Bickering doesn’t help the program. "

SOFTBALL 4B: Well said, & I hope to write in the same manner & style (Class).

#19: Bob, or is it Jim. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Jan. 16, 2009
F.O.G.
Men's 40
105 posts
Gentlemen,

One thing to consider here...these new homerun rules parallel the ASA/USSSA Major/A-D rules. There is no division that I'm aware of that allows open homeruns....not even Open Major. I'm as interested as anyone because I'll be eligible to play 50+ next November....and I'll play at least Major if not Major+.

I think this is and will continue to be a heated subject. You can believe that I enjoy hitting homeruns as much as the next guy...but that's not what softball is all about. I don't see this as a slap in the face...I do see it as more of a leveling of the field.


2009 will tell the story. Good luck to all this year. Hope to see alot of you in Mesquite.

Mike Adair: Good luck in Menifee this weekend!

Mike Williams
OSM-Southern California
40+ National Director
Jan. 16, 2009
#19
Men's 60
252 posts
Mr. Einstein... Just a little over the top my friend... You may have to double-up on your medication.
Jan. 16, 2009
#19
Men's 60
252 posts
By the way Mr. Einstein, who have I called a name?... I don't recall sneering at anyone either... And if you think I am a coward because I will not divulge my personal information to you, then you are entitled... However, please don't mistake who is doing the name-calling.
Jan. 16, 2009
The Kid
6 posts
Guys, The one thing we all share is a love for the game. The bigest problem with this game is that we as people tend to try to change it too much. Why follow the lead of organizations like ASA. If they are so good why do you think these other organizations exist? Why does a ASA western national mens B draw only 12 teams and most are from the town holding the tournament??? I bet Ridge is at church thanking the one above for the home run rule changes SSUSA has made. Amen
Jan. 16, 2009
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Hey Doak,
I've got lots of positive stuff to say and put forward.
Platooning or free defensive substitution is a great idea
that would do very well for Senior Ball.

We, the seniors who play, bleed and invest in Senior Softball
deserve the best representation and administration regarding
us and our concerns.
Most times, just like has been the case in most of our society
over the last decade or so
we've suffered from leaders, influencers who are powerfully self interested
and/or removed from the fundamental reality of us and our game.
It may be boring to repeat this over and over again
but it doesn't make it less true.
And until enough people get it
nothing can happen to mitigate or change it, for the better.
We deserve to have admins and reps who are "looking out for us"
instead of themselves or we'll end up like we have and are
in the society, at large, largely somewhere else.

I've made the point over and over again
but it is irrefutable and needs to be taken seriously.
SSUSA has powerfully self interested partners
who are contributing to the latest movement
to dumb down and change our game
to solve problems WE don't really recognize and have.
This is HUGE, Doak.

I/we LOVE our game.
Is that positive enough?
It's being changed by those who don't love it
or care about it as much as I/we do.
That's what is going down.
Boring and true.

So we need to be MORE vigilant than we would otherwise,
to ensure our needs are being recognized and met
so we don't get "rolled" and end up somewhere else.

Home runs as outs is not our game.
It's the game of younger guys.
Bat cheating is not a huge problem with seniors.
We already have ultra 2's.
Bat cheating is more prevalent with the younger players.

We've been supporting and investing in Senior Ball while
ball and bat manufacturers and sellers have made lots
off us and we want to be done with all the "latest" changes
in equipment we have to buy and use
when plenty of cost free solutions
exist for any to all of our REAL difficulties and problems.
Again, boring and true.

Just like a guy who says he's a going to hurt you, every day
it gets boring yet, it's something you always need to do something about.

Lastly, we have a meaningfully
diminished cadre of website clowns held over from a couple of years
ago who see this site, us and our plight
as entertainment or some kind of game.
They too are boring and painfully real.
Jan. 16, 2009
jah#4
Men's 55
551 posts
Bruce
you know I would not stir the pot. I hope when you and Bob play each other one day both of you would have a good laugh about some of these board post as I do. Will miss you next year not playing with us, but hope you have as much fun playing 60 ball with Winky and the old gang.
some of our friends on here sometime forget softball is about fun We will always make the best out of a bad rule that may be changed later on down the road I hope.
Hope to see all when the seasons starts We have been moved up to the Major + divison on everyone take it easy on us
Don Ward
Kittrell softball
Jan. 17, 2009
doker
Men's 60
168 posts
DOKER HERE AGAIN!!! I'M WITH YOU JAH#4...LETS BE A LITTLE MORE CIVIL ON THIS MESSAGE BOARD...WE'RE ALL INDIVIDUALS AND HAVE OUR OWN OPINIONS ON THINGS ASSOCIATED WITH SENIOR BALL AND WE MAY NOT AGREE ON THE TIME OF DAY BUT BE CIVIL ANYWAY!!!!! EINSTEIN.....I ASSURE YOU #19 COULD PLAY MAJOR+ ...HE IS THAT GOOD DOESN'T HIT IT OUT ALL THAT OFTEN BUT HE SURE HITS IT HARD ALL THE TIME AND CAN PLAY THE INFIELD WITH ANYBODY IN SENIOR BALL....SO DON'T JUMP TO CONCLUTIONS JUST BE CAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW HIM...I DON'T KNOW YOU FROM ADAM BUT IF U PLAY MAJOR-MAJOR+ YOU MUST BE DECENT.....SOME OF US WOULD RATHER PLAY WITH OUR FRIENDS AROUND US THAN PLAY IN THE UPPER BRACKETS NOT BECAUSE WE'RE HIDING OUR TALENT BUT BECAUSE WE WANT TO HAVE FUN WHILE PLAYING WITH OUR BUDDIES....TO ME THAT DOESN'T CHEAPEN OUR PLAY AND DOESN'T MAKE US SANDBAGGERS JUST 60 YEAR OLD SOFTBALL WHORES....THE SEASON IS UPON US A ND I HOPE ALL HAVE A GOOD YEAR AND LOTS OF FUN AND STAY HEALTHY...I KNOW THAT MOST OF US LIVE FOR THESE TOURNAMENTS....HOPE TO SEE WHO YOU GUY'S REALLY ARE IN PERSON.....MAYBE IN RENO OR SALT LAKE CITY OR DALTON OR PHOENIX OR LAS VEGAS....HIT 'EM HARD AND OFTEN...DOKER
Jan. 17, 2009
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
That's OK, Doke.
You guys know who Bob is, you have your own social group
and Bob talks to you guys more than to the rest of us.
It's a bit provincial for me but that's cool.
But, making critical comments about anyone outside your social group
and hiding his identity from the ones he criticizes and to the community at large
is a bit to frat house for me.
We have a larger identity and responsibility than to our own boys and girls
in senior softball and some more civility as you call it
or accountability and respect which a lot of us call it would go a long way.
Jan. 17, 2009
#19
Men's 60
252 posts
Doker... I appreciate your kinds words... you are a friend of mine and a very classy guy... The crux of the differences I have with Mr. Einstein stem solely from his opinion that we all should share our personal information with anyone on this message board... And, of course, he is entitled to his opinion... However, I have a differing opinion... I share my personal information with those I choose to share it with, ie. friends and others that I trust... Mr. Einstein doesn't fit into either one of those categories... Mr. Einstein never asked for my personal information until I disagreed with one of his ideas/opinions... From my perspective, that represents a huge red flag... He does not have to read my posts, and he doesn't have to respond to my posts ... But he will not deter me from posting... Doker, have a great day... Hope to see you soon.
Jan. 17, 2009
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
No name
No game.
I love to play against guys who don't have the stones
to show up when the pressure is on.
The contest is over before it's begun.
They just can't hang and everyone sees it.
Jan. 18, 2009
mad dog
Men's 60
3937 posts
joe you know who i am and i know who you are,why does someone need to post thier personal info to make them relavent(sp) we have seen what happen to 4x4 when his was out there.i think we all can make posts that mean and can be relavent without personal info.i also think we can weed out the crappie ones(aka dirty's).i don't think there is a need to jump someone b/c you don't know them personally.even if they had thier personal info and being from some other part of the country you still wouldn't know who you were talking to on here.i have played against #6 and #19 over here and can't put a face to either one,but know thier team.they are a good bunch of guys that i do know.so lets let people post and quit harranging them for info that is useless to us anyways.
Jan. 18, 2009
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Joey, what everyone sees is the pathetic caricature you have become.
Jan. 18, 2009
THE HI-JACKER
118 posts
DIRTY: You piece of Tras. If, it is o.k. for you Dirty, to write,", what everyone sees is the pathetic caricature you have become."; the same, can be said for you & I.

Still talking trash & insulting. What wrong now? The truth about oneself, is starting to sink in?

Please, go back under that sheep pie & die. Thereforth, no one will have to read anymore disparaging comments, you & I write.
Jan. 18, 2009
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Hey Robert,

Would or should two guys our age ever communicate
without introducing themselves to the other?
From Fiddler on the Roof,
Unthinkable and Absurd.
Fundamental human courtesy should be
extended to all for all the right reasons.

And people who can function anonymously or without
direct accountability don't have to say or do
what they feel or think is best or right.
Fun for some?
They can play or pretend or disrespect or challenge
anyone or anything without really having to mean it.
This is a younger or more adolescent person's prerogative or game
coming out of deregulated times and thinking.
All kinds of deregulation that may bring
our country to another civil war.
We know better, don't we Robert.

I'll tell you what my bias is and from whence all my difficulty
with this board and association comes from.
I am floored by the potential for this website to do real good
for senior softball players and SSUSA.

You need to be someone to be respected
in any argument.
We both know that.
More than 80 per cent of those who post get it, too.

If you are going to be and want to be listened to you
one needs to sign in clearly, honestly, accurately, respectfully
not unlike John Hancock did on the Declaration of Independence.
Legend has it he signed extra big so the king would be able
to see him and judge his accountability accordingly, without the need for
spectacles.
That's manhood, sportsmanship and adulthood, at it's best
and those are the balls/rules we should be playing with.
Jan. 18, 2009
zatta
Men's 60
12 posts
You speak about deregulation as if it is a bad thing, yet when ss-usa tries to regulate to make the game better you are opposed to it. Not only opposed to it, but to the point of name calling, bashing and threatening anyone that does not agree with your point of view.

If it is your ball and you won't play, just go home and leave the rest of us that want to play softball and have fun alone.
Jan. 18, 2009
DesertGuy
Men's 60
224 posts
Well said zatta. A very concise reply to another 250+ words of redundancy. When the ssusa requires a different standard for having a user name, maybe this will stop. One can only hope.
Jan. 18, 2009
mad dog
Men's 60
3937 posts
HJ are you kidding me....dipstick(aka dirty) putting something to be relavent in here.
joe i do understand the need for people to be relavent in thier posts,but if made in a good manner i don't really need to know them,and prolly will never get to meet them personally anyways,and some i could care less if i do meet them.
now to the rules,the orignal post,not a big fan of most of them(pitcher protection,hr rule).i can see hr limits in the lower div's but not for the higher ups.see my above post on hr limits.
Jan. 18, 2009
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
A great example of what I'm talking about.
A guy who sounds a lot like an old bat doctor
in stlyle and substance, let's call him Jim
uses deregulation in a way not meant or intended by me
just to be critical, is disrespectful and doesn't think
it's essential to introduce himself.
A real fair guy, eh?
First post, eh?
Sure, it is.

You're a great of example of the manipulative clowns
who try to control the website by their shallow
dimly entertaining comments all to alleviate their own boredom
which is another name for relieving themselves at our expense.
Jan. 18, 2009
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
And I forgot to add that some guys use these anonymous posts
to move stuff or people toward desired ends
to either promote one of their friends or financial associates
or to discredit some who is challenging them.
No name, no game.
Jan. 18, 2009
zatta
Men's 60
12 posts
Wrong guy, I don't know a bat doctor. It does seem as though you do, if not many.

Here's the problem, when I read your post's they are very contradictary. One post you are for something in the next you are against it. The method of control may have changed but the outcome is the same yet you have 2 opposite supports for them. This makes my mind hurt. You claim to be an itelligent person yet you can't even keep you post's in line with your constant banter on this board. You may get farther a look less of an pysco if you could keep your thoughts in line with your posts. I would suggest the you visit a head doctor, you may be bi-polar, many of your posts come off that way.

What I really find funny is that YOU really think you are the board bully. This amaze's me that a 60+ year old man has to act like an infant having a temper tantrum.

Can't we all just get along. It is a recreation sport and is supposed to be fun, you act as if you are a professional and your next contract may not get signed. Anyone that has the energy that you do to attack other players and the ss-usa board really needs to rethink what life is about. We are all getting older and our last day may be tomorrow, do you really have to make our time here about you. Or do you just like to make people un-happy.
Jan. 18, 2009
DesertGuy
Men's 60
224 posts
Nice, and responsible, post zatta. Welcome to the Message Board. You've figured out very quickly that he will belittle dissenting opinions almost as a reflex reaction, even though you did post a name in your Member Info. I read your post a couple of times and couldn't see any indication referencing bat doctoring, but that's not unusual. He's so predictably automatic in his replies, that he grasps for anything to play the bully role, more often than not being completely non-responsive to the original post. It's probably nothing more than a last gasp attempt to stay relevant.

He seemingly fancies himself as one of the premier hitters in the game, but a couple of recent posts by some of the universally recognized members of that group, Bogie and The Gorilla, have raved about a new prototype ball they hit at the TOC earlier this month. Apparently it flies a bit slower, and therefore safer, but can still be hit hard and far with the proper swing mechanics and strength. Personally, I'd like to see that ball adopted, which would then allow the people in charge to maybe get rid of that new Pitcher's rule! (Being responsive to the thread title, here!)

But those rave reviews scare him to death, because if the ssusa changes to that ball, he's likely outside the inner power circle, looking in. So that's what drives the "economic conspiracy theory" rant you'll see so often. It completely misses the fact that the ball manufacturer has a net zero should any such change be made! For every new ball they might sell, they sell one less of the old ball, which fully voids the economic benefit argument.

Hang in there, and most of us will evaluate what you type by it's content. We won't automatically apply the "no name, no game, incredibly lame" excuse to dismiss your opinions.
Jan. 18, 2009
#19
Men's 60
252 posts
Mr. Einstein ... I am reasonably sure that other participants on this message board are now fully aware of our positions on sharing personal information on this board... Isn't it time to move on to more important issues?
Jan. 18, 2009
THE HI-JACKER
118 posts
HOME RUNS, that will turn into outs, was the topic of this post. Can we stop attaching each others?

Guys, can we not write in a more "professional" manner? Many of us are well educated & should be able to express ones opinions, without alienating others.

Believe it or not, many Seniors are tried of "our" bricking. Even to the point, that some to many have stopped posting.

I hope that we can start to write in such a manner, as not to be Insulting, Rude, etc. Surely, all that needs to be done is for some of us to show a little respect. Yes, even to ones that do not show this same curiosity or respect.

Why, can we not voice ones opinion & at the same time, reframe from attaching or making disparaing or offensive statements?

Change can happen but, only to those that have the need or desire to change.
Jan. 18, 2009
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Hey Jack,
You're the man.
Hope to see you soon.
These hyenas are no fun and no competition for an old lion like me.
We all make our beds and then we get to sleep in 'em.
I"ll be around.
Jan. 18, 2009
zatta
Men's 60
12 posts
Does anyone have the stats from the TOC as far as how many home runs were hit for outs? Were there any home runs hit for an out that made the team win or lose? I think this should be looked at not just what opinions dictate.

Maybe this is a problem, but until there is some kind of information about this I think we are putting to much negative talk about the rule. The TOC was played a week ago and I have not seen 1 post from any of the teams that played in it. I would think that if was a problem SOMEONE from one of those teams would have made a post on this message board.
Jan. 18, 2009
THE HI-JACKER
118 posts
ZATTA: Nice question. Also, I believe that there were very few Major Plus teams at the TOC.
Monday, call SS-USA, the facts if keep, might suprise some of us Seniors.
Jan. 18, 2009
#19
Men's 60
252 posts
Mr. Einstein... now some of us are hyenas and this is competition for you... so you are playing a game ... Just as you have accused others of name-calling and game-playing ... That's your bed to sleep in... Good night.

THi-J... Your last two posts seem to be your identifiers... Do as I say, not as I do seems to be your message ... You and Mr. Einstein make great bed-fellows... Good night to you as well.
Jan. 18, 2009
SSUSA Staff
1268 posts
zatta ... There were three (3) over the limit home runs hit in 221 scheduled games at the TOC, and two of them occurred in the same game ... The "occurrence" rate (number of games in which the event occurred divided by number of games played) was 0.905%, less than 1%
Jan. 18, 2009
THE HI-JACKER
118 posts
#19: The only one that I have tried to be rude to is Dirty. Read my last 20 or so post. I have read your last 30 post Bob.

On almost half of your post Bob, Joe, had been "insulted". Bob, I could care less, that on three of your post Bob, some of your rudeness, has also, been directed toward me.

If, what was written helps, go for it. I do hope that insulting each other will stop. Will some of us ever stop our poor behavior? I have sent Joe, several personnal e-mails. Nothing that I say, seems to help.

Myself, I will still try to state facts & not be so rude or get involved in what some have called " childish behavior". I can only try to be more respectful. I may chock on those words.

Bob, neither of us, will ever change Joe or Dirty. We are able, only to stop our own bad, rude, manners, etc.
Jan. 18, 2009
#19
Men's 60
252 posts
THi-J... it was a pleasure to read your latest post... I found it to be mature and inspiring ... I apologize to you for any posts that may have seemed disrespectful toward you ... I would much rather comment on softball-related issues.
Jan. 18, 2009
THE HI-JACKER
118 posts
#19: Again, have you read my last 20 or so post? Tell me if I am wrong? Only one post was rude / insulting.

The other posts, were facts, answers to other post, & post that were ment to cause a better, kinder, less stressful reading. NO BRICKING - INSULTS.

Can we not state ones thoughts / opinions, in such a manner, that is funny, helpful, & not insulting.

THi-j
Jan. 19, 2009
zatta
Men's 60
12 posts
Hold on there, you mean to tell me that all of this crap that has been posted is for less than 1% of the softball players out there. I would think that it only affected the top 1% being that it is about hitting the ball long.

Hell Although I haven't met einstein in person but what I gather from the posts of people that have seen him,he isn't in the top 20% of the senior hitters.

If the number ss-usa provided us are true, there is no problem with the rule. After a few more tournaments we should see if 1% holds true.
Jan. 19, 2009
Fred Scerra
Men's 80
542 posts
zatta: your right. that is what I have been saying. In fact I think that the biggest complainers on this board probably don't represent .001 percent of the Senior players in this organization.

Maybe they should form their own org as it seems that they think that they are to good for this one.

By the threads posted I am beginning to think that eistien and Hi-Jacker are the same person or they are in competition to see who can right the longest reply and say nothing of any importance.
Jan. 19, 2009
#19
Men's 60
252 posts
mad dog... the new home run rules appear to be an effort to level the playing field to allow more major teams to compete on the major plus level...if the goal is to produce a larger pool of major plus teams, and therefore more competition at tournaments, then this rule seems like it would be helpful... the home run rules at the lower levels would hopefully discourage too many long ball hitters from playing at those levels.
Jan. 19, 2009
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
"hyena" and "old lion"? Joey, you are priceless!
Jan. 19, 2009
mad dog
Men's 60
3937 posts
hey fred(we met in dalton 2 yrs ago)i can tell you that HJ and einstien are 2 diff and seperate people.i happen to know both.
but on to the hr dilema.#19 thats what i'm trying to get at,the lower div you do not need to have the big boys down there,let them play up in the upper div and hit all they want,thats why there is an upper div as far as i'm concerned.there has always been hr limits in the flat belly div depending on what level you were in,higher the level the more you could hit.the highest i was ever had the priv to play(in my flat belly days) was B and in ASA you were allowed to hit 3 or 5 hrs(can't remember,sometimers kicking in :):) ) and u-trip you allowed to have 3 hr hitters(late 70's on).the highest level should be able to swing away or at least have a # of hrs allowed that is way higher than any of the other div's,also on over the level,maybe make thiers a walk or such.the lower levels do not need a bunch of hr hitters down there.yes yours(#19) and the team i played on had a couple guys who could hit them,but had no hr fest what so ever going on.so in conclusion SS-USA let the M+ guys do all the hitting they want.
also take away the pitcher protect rule,for all div b/c it doesn't protect the pitcher at all.
Jan. 19, 2009
#19
Men's 60
252 posts
mad dog... unlimited home runs, or limited home runs with no substantial penalty will maintain the status quo, which is a relatively small number of major plus teams loaded with long ballers... SS-USA wishes to expand the number of teams in the upper divisions and maintain competitiveness at the same time... if this is the goal, then the new home run rules should help meeting it.
Jan. 19, 2009
THE HI-JACKER
118 posts
FRED S: Thanks for such kind words. Nothing of importants!

1) Correct, less than 1% of the 1.5 m, Senior Payers do post.
2) Why, should the smart one post & then have others write post, such as the one just written by you Fred?
3) Einstein, last year played on 50, 55, & 60 Major Plus teams.
4) Tell me if, I am wrong? Some players, enjoy hitting the long ball; some players enjoy hitting the ball hard; some players enjoy or like to hit to the oppsite field; & so on. Now, some players will have to change their game / swing.
5) Why, does SS-USA, keep changing the Home Run Limits & runs per inning, year after year?

Fred, if, my post are too long; try to take a nap; don't read my post; try reading my last 20 post. Too long & nothing ever said, is important to anyone. Thank You
Jan. 19, 2009
Fred Scerra
Men's 80
542 posts
It is irrelevant what level you and einstein play you still represent a very small fraction of the Seniors players that play the game at all levels.

The players that actual post are mainly interested in the organization and the ramblings of 3 posters who end up in all threads somehow.

At least #19 keeps his short.
Jan. 19, 2009
THE HI-JACKER
118 posts
FS: O.K. so you can be rude too.
Not all threads. I try to post in a better manner, than you have Fred.
Fred, stay in the 70 / 75 arena. But, the 50, 55, & 60 Major & Major Plus teams, do want to see a better turn out in teams.
Fred, you can say or post what is on your mind. Will you at least Fred, try & not be so rude / insulting?
Jan. 19, 2009
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Fred,
I'm so impressed you sign in using your own name.
Truly so I'm not going to take you task for your comments.
I remember you calling some new poster guy stupid for wanting to slide
head first, a la Ricky Henderson and I must say
it got to me.
I knew a lot of players who were reluctant to post anything
because of oomments like yours.
But not anymore.

I represent and speak for the majority of players Fred
when I get an issue correctly.
Like everyone wants to be able to hit the ball hard
and watch/feel it go fast and hard somewhere
and if someone puts in a ball which won't do that then
it won't be fun or accepted.
Do I speak for the majority on this issue?
You bet I do.
Jan. 23, 2009
stillstroking
1 posts
When Home runs become outs it forces players to change their swing. Flatten out swing to keep it out of the air. Usually when you change your swing you do not have as much control over where the ball is going and the beomes dangerous for the pitcher. We need to leave the HR rules alone & add an extra feilder directly behind second base to protect the pitcher.
Jan. 23, 2009
Mr. Manassas
230 posts
As a pitcher I always hated to see homerun singles/walks. I would prefer to see them as outs. It gives the "little" people a chance.
Jan. 23, 2009
#19
Men's 60
252 posts
Agreed Mr. Manassas... singles/walks are hardly a consequence for exceeding home run limits.
Jan. 23, 2009
Mr. Manassas
230 posts
The big advantage of the "senior" bats is that they can hit a softball a long way. It drives me crazy to watch a bop out land over the fence. It is also a little crazy to watch a ball go through the infield at 125 mph also.
Jan. 23, 2009
Mr. Manassas
230 posts
It is definitely a catch 22 as a player ....When I am up to bat I love to have a U-2 in my hands but when I am in the field I would rather see an ASA bat being used.
Jan. 23, 2009
DCPete
235 posts
While SSUSA intentions were good, changing the HR rules will still Not make the Majors competitive with Major +.
The Raptors won the 60 Major+ title game of the Winter Nationals 39 - 6 over a Major team that was bumped up 2 weeks before the tourney. The Raptors only hit 4 HRs (it was a 325 ft. fence) so these new rules would have had no impact on the final score.
All these new HR rules will do is endanger the infielders and cause some teams that get bumped up to stop attending tournaments and/or disband altogether.
In short, SSUSA has shown good intentions (in trying to level out the number of teams in each division) but has used horrible and short-sighted methods in the process.
Jan. 24, 2009
Jawood
Men's 50
798 posts
From the 50+ western U.S. perpective ... All of this because of one team, the Mavericks. Should have just let them play with all the other major teams and gave everyone a little equalizer when we played them. This changing all the rules and making HR outs just sucks! Tried to get a couple of guys who are just turning 50 to play and when I told them of the DBO rules, they said that's the reason I quite softball in the first place. Could see fewer teams form because of this.
Jan. 24, 2009
Jano23
Men's 50
95 posts
Mr. M - Why should the skills of only certain individuals be neutralized (by calling their HRs outs)? To give EVERYONE a "chance", maybe the pitcher and batter should flip a coin or draw for high card to determine the outcome of the at-bat.
Jan. 24, 2009
softball4b
Men's 60
756 posts
The Mavericks are a great team and I am biased. However they were beaten twice in Menifee and I do not believe the rules were changed just because of them. Hendricks Sports Management is just as good at recruiting players and can play with anybody. There are some AAA teams that routinely hit more HRs than a majority of Major teams.

I do not like the HR rules or the Pitcher rule and you can bet the number of teams going to tournaments will be down due a combination of rule changes and the economy.
Jan. 24, 2009
Jawood
Men's 50
798 posts
I was not counting a Texas team as being on the west coast. I agree that the economy will keep the number of teams traveling much lower. We have don't have a huge budget like these Major plus teams, so we will stay home and play what they will let us because we enjoy playing together. Does senior softball think if you get bumped to Major plus you magically receive $30,000 somehow to travel around the U.S. to play? This DBO rule is just a HUGE mistake.
Jan. 26, 2009
Omar Khayyam
999 posts
This was a bad year to implement a new rule. The economy will result in changes in tournament participation and it will confuse the effectiveness of the home run = out rule. If the number of teams stays stable, SSUSA will say “despite the bad economy, the tournaments drew teams.” If the number drops, SSUSA will say “can’t judge the rule based on fewer teams—it was the economy.”

My major team is mostly composed of guys on fixed incomes. We will not be reducing the number of tournaments, just the number of overnight tournaments—in other words, more local tournaments, fewer SSUSA tournaments. No Las Vegas, no Phoenix, no Hunstman, maybe no Reno, and for sure no tournament that requires a plane ride to get there.

That said, I think making a home run an out is foolish. I have played happily with the one-up rule and over-the-fence a single beyond the one-up. This is also in the context of a 5-run maximum inning with only the last inning an open inning. Not perfect, but it doesn’t require a home run hitter to alter his swing.

Also, our team earned its major status by winning. We have not one consistent home run hitter and average one home run about every three games. I would prefer to leave the hot bats and hot balls behind and return to ASA bats and the strategy-filled, defense-important, competitive, fun-to-play games of the past, not the phony home run battles of today where yesterday’s singles hitters are now launching Miken boomers and outfielders strain their necks watching balls sail into and over the fence and infielders just HOPE they will see the next screamer before it’s by them or hits them!
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