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Discussion: Home Run Limits

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Jan. 16, 2009
jwo-9
Men's 60
14 posts
Home Run Limits
Can someone that helps to make the rules please answer why as you get older you are allowed less home runs than the younger groups. It would seem that if you can still reach the fence at 60+ your home run should count as much as if you were still 50+. I can't think of any logic that justifies a reduced number of home runs as you age. Someone please respond that knows the true answer.
Jan. 16, 2009
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2695 posts
My guess is that with 60 year olds and higher there are fewer players able to hit hrs. Those that want this rule think that more teams will be able to compete with top teams if we were not allowed to hit many hrs.
I hope I'm making myself clear. For instance, say there are 8 60+ M+ teams and two team have between them, 8 hr hitters. The other six teams may have only 3 hr hitters total. I'm thinking the rule writters believe that by lowering the hr totals it will make the 6 teams with fewer hr hitters more able to compete the two with the majority of hr hitters.
I'm not saying I agree with this, just my opinion of why the rule was changed.
Jan. 16, 2009
the wood
1087 posts
Bruce, I agree with your assessment in terms of WHY they made the changes. However, I believe we're essentially overlooking the parts that have remained unspoken (from SSUSA). The new rules will shorten the games in terms of minutes and it somewhat mitigates the 'who will chase the balls' and/or the argument about the teams supplying their own balls. Look at the game time limits v. other M+ associations.
Even IF these rules work in the manner that some believe (i.e. more M teams graciously move into the M+ division), will we really see more teams in M+ divisions? If not, what will SSUSa have accomplished? Shortened game times perhaps?
I have already heard/overheard, first hand, the shenanigans that teams will go through in order to protect their right to dominate M divisions (and below).
Do I personally care about the DBO after 6 HRs (60 M+ rules)? If the truth be told, I really do not care one way or another... we'll play either way.
BW
Jan. 16, 2009
taits
Men's 65
4396 posts
jwo-2
This was asked before, I never saw a reply from the source though it does not mean it wasn't. Bruce's answer is pretty good.

Bruce,
That is true, and perhaps those making decisions are unable to hit them...
But a clarification would be nice.


But I still believe the older guys should get more than the younger guys. Let them earn their "senior" status. The get the benefits, without the dues. imho
Jan. 16, 2009
audieh
Men's 60
242 posts
I suspect if you looked on the inner circle there is someone who has a 60 team that would benefit from this rule. No other reason for it. My gosh, when you're 60 and can still hit a homerun, God bless you. Let my people go! I vote for unlimited homeruns for the 60s!
Jan. 16, 2009
taits
Men's 65
4396 posts
BW,
Game time limits would be a problem. Here come a re instatement of that $$200 additional fee...

I would like to see teams at least try a move up. The suggestion of a trial period ( for how ever many tournaments reasonable) for teams do without being stuck there, was good.
Jan. 16, 2009
the wood
1087 posts
Taits:
A problem for whom? The players/teams or the assn? It doesn't seem to be a probelm elsewhere.
Add'l $200? Why instigate this again when not all teams paid it before. Also, the alledged 'have nots' will whine about the additional cost and state that they never asked to be in M+.
Audie:
You are becoming wise in your advanced years...
:-)
Jan. 16, 2009
Lefty
Men's 65
502 posts
audieh I agree with you. So now you are 60 they think you shouldn't be able to hit a HR I exercise all year just to hit one or more. Why cause it makes me feel good. It's not the Ultra 2 for I can do it with an ASA bat. If one puts enough work in something it makes one feel good.
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