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| Jan. 27, 2009 4x4 Men's 65 601 posts | Papago & The DBO Pitcher's Box Rule Played an interesting tourney at Papago in AZ last weekend. The "pitcher's box" DBO was enforced and altered a lot of the games. Double plays were lost on one hoppers back to the pitcher. ANY ball hit through/above the pitchers box was a DBO whether the pitcher was "at home" in the box or not. Some pitchers were clearly 1/2 way to 2nd base backing up when the ball went through the box - yep = DBO. On one call the pitcher had his glove arm fully extended in a 45' angle away from his body and the ball grazed his glove - yep, you guessed it DBO. Pitchers were throwing the ball from the side of the rubber and stepping away from the rubber but rushing their feet back the the rubber like a 1st baseman in order to cover the gound + get the out of a ball hit through the box. Balls the pitcher could field were nulified at the umpires judgement with runners on base effectively killing the play of the game. Pitchers started asking for the DBO call on anything toward them fieldible or not. In short - the entire concept really stunk and altered the games pace, flow, and the outcome of some games. Happened 4-8 times a game in games I were involved in where the ump was agressive in enforcement. And yes - I know fieldible is not a proper word - but you get the idea. This is a fiasco. Let's play the game not re-invent it. If a pitcher want to armor up or build up his fielding skills as has been mentioned many times before = that's the way it should be handled. The fields, weather, competition was great. The balls were good (Trump Stote SSUSA 44/375) and the thumpers were letting them fly. The only negative was this dumb DBO. Pete/AZ Monoon 1B/#13 |
| Jan. 27, 2009 Lecak Men's 60 1026 posts | Pete who sanctioned this? I don't see this on the list of SSUSA's listings. |
| Jan. 27, 2009 #6 Men's 60 1173 posts | 4x4, good post, I agree with all you said! |
| Jan. 27, 2009 4x4 Men's 65 601 posts | Joe - it was a local tourney - although some of the shirts the winning teams received said SSUSA on them. We did not have to show cards to play. I was a token "old" guy playing against the 50's. |
| Jan. 27, 2009 Dbax Men's 65 2100 posts | This was the tournament directors rule. Let's call it the "Rick Seifman" rule. A one hopper back to the pitcher with a runner on first base was a DBO. No double play. And in the championship game, after numerous games played, the players and umpires still did not know what the heck was going on. What a joke! |
| Jan. 27, 2009 BruceAZ Men's 70 155 posts | 4x4, I played in the same tourney and it was open to interpretation by the umpire. Some balls that went thru the box were not called out because the pitcher was behind the box. Although it was hard to see if the pitchers were behind the box or not because the back line of the box was wiped out by the pitcher so that made it a little harder to judge if he was in the box or not. We did have a few bad calls with line drive balls going over the pitchers head and they were called outs. On another play the umpire called a DBO when the pitcher was in the box but the ball was clearly outside the box and it tipped off of his glove. We had plays at home and 3rd base but the DBO was called. After the other team complained, the ump talked to the TD and changed his mind and moved everyone up a base, so the weird calls did affect some of the games. I don't like the rule but at least be consistent. The tournament was run by the same guy who does the SSUSA tourneys in AZ, this one was just a warm-up for the qualifier next month. Bruce |
| Jan. 27, 2009 CRUSADERVB Men's 70 275 posts | DBAX.......I HEARD A FEW OF THE STORIES THAT YOU ARE RELATING TO AT PAPAGO FROM OUR CJ & S PLAYERS THAT LIVE HERE ON THE WEST SIDE. IT SOUNDED VERY STRANGE WITH SOME OF THOSE CALLS, MY FRIENDS SAID THE OFFICIALS MADE A REFERENCE TO THE PITCHERS BOX AS ''THE ALLEY'', THAT ANYTHING THROUGH ''THE ALLEY'' EVEN ABOVE THE PITCHERS HEAD BY 4' WOULD BE A DBO. WHEN THEY WROTE THIS NEW PP RULE, I DON'T THINK THEY HAD THIS INTERPRETATION OF THE RULE IN MIND. MAYBE SOMEONE WILL ENLIGHTEN THE POWERS TO BE ABOUT THE CORRECT RULE ENFORCEMENT BEFORE THE GOLD GLOVE TOURNAMENT NEXT MONTH. 4X4.....I CAN JUST SEE YOUR VIENS POPPING IN YOUR NECK!! DIDN'T YOU THINK THE UMPIRES IN MENIFEE DID A NICE JOB WITH THE PP RULE? |
| Jan. 27, 2009 Dbax Men's 65 2100 posts | Ron, hopefully the Golden Gloves will be the SSUSA rule, and not the tournament directors. He will be running it though. |
| Jan. 27, 2009 4x4 Men's 65 601 posts | Hey Ron; It was a good exercise tourney for me. I think some of the pitchers would have a different opinion but I stayed away from the middle except for one time. Thankfully, it didn't end up in the "twilight zone/alley/bermuda triangle" subject to interpretation/speculation area and I got a hit out of it. Pete |
| Jan. 27, 2009 SSUSA Staff 3482 posts | For those interested in the official SSUSA "White Paper" on the Pitcher Safety Rule, please click on this link: Pitcher Rule Memo Hope this helps! |
| Jan. 27, 2009 CRUSADERVB Men's 70 275 posts | DAVE [DBAX] TAKE IT EASY ON US OLD GUYS FROM GSF IN THE GOLD GLOVE, I GUESS WE'RE PLAYING YOU 50'S AND 55'S ....YOU PUPS. TELL PSYCO TO INSTALL A HOME SECURITY DRVICE IN HIS HOUSE. I HOPE ''THE ALLEY'' RULE WILL CHANGE. |
| Jan. 27, 2009 Mr. Manassas 244 posts | Wouldn't the easiest thing be to use the screen...i know that some of you guys think that all you need to do is have the pitcher practice more and no one gets hit. Let's face it....Some of the bats and balls are pretty live...a little beyond the average guy's reaction time. |
| Jan. 27, 2009 Lecak Men's 60 1026 posts | DBAX and Crusader I'm surprised that Rick S. got this so screwed up. My team LAF we'll be there also. Do either of you know who else besides your two teams will be there. I heard George's Utah 55 team will be there, anybody know if the Fangrabbers or Abe's new team will be there? ANy idea if they match the 50's and 55's. See you guys in a month. GO STEELERS. |
| Jan. 27, 2009 Dbax Men's 65 2100 posts | I'm pretty sure Fangrabbers will be there. Also Chicano Cubs and CJ&S Express. The El Paso and New Mexico teams normally make this one. This will be the place to be, not Palm Springs! |
| Jan. 27, 2009 4x4 Men's 65 601 posts | The Fan Grabbers, Chicano Cubs, CJ&S were there last weekend along with the Tucson Bandits |
| Jan. 27, 2009 CRUSADERVB Men's 70 275 posts | DBAX, I HOPE JOE IS PITCHING IN THE G.G. YOU AND I CAN LIGHT UP THAT STEELERS FAN!!! WOODY SAID THERE WAS A REAL GOOD 50 OR 55 TEAM COMING FROM CAL. MR. MAN....S I PITCH AND DO NOT WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT SCREEN!! AND YES I HAVE BEEN HIT. TWICE REQUIRING 4 SURGERIES ON MY LOWER LEGS [BOTH] I NOW WEAR CATCHERS SHIN GUARDS. DBO IS FINE, AND FORGET ABOUT DROPPING THE TRUMP 44/375 AND OR ASA BATS!! COMBATS FOREVER!! |
| Jan. 27, 2009 Dbax Men's 65 2100 posts | Go Cardinals. Ron, all Joe can do is hit! And I hope I never see the day where screens are set up on the field. |
| Jan. 27, 2009 Lecak Men's 60 1026 posts | Ron I could be standing 10 ft from and you would miss me just like Warner will be missing Fitzgerald Sunday. Ron any idea if it was a 50 or 55 they maybe able to split the age groups. |
| Jan. 27, 2009 CRUSADERVB Men's 70 275 posts | JOE........I'LL ASK WOODY, DAVE TOLD ME YOU USED TO BE A AZ CARDINALS SEASON TICKET HOLDER? YOU STEELER TURN COAT!! I READ THE DBO RULE THAT ''THE STAFF'' ASKED US TO READ......I HOPE SOMEONE IN THE G.G. READS IT TOO!!!! THEY SHOULD HAVE READ IT B4 LAST WEEKEND!! GO KURT WARNER |
| Jan. 27, 2009 Lecak Men's 60 1026 posts | I still am a Cardinal ticket holder, Eagle/Cards game was tremendous, lifetime Steelers fan. I grew up in a small steel town south of Pgh. Football is more like a religion than a sport. |
| Jan. 28, 2009 CRUSADERVB Men's 70 275 posts | JOE..........NIGHTHAWKS 55'S |
| Jan. 28, 2009 einstein Men's 50 3112 posts | Hey Pete, That sounds ridiculously unfair and jarring to the game we've gotten used to playing. I played a screen game late last year in town and a ball that hit was a strike even a third strike and that played a lot better. No one seem to mind except that a throw from the outfield to home bounced off the screen. In time, the outfielders and infielders could adjust their throws without too much difficulty The screen would eliminate TD's, ball and bat manufacturers and big hitters like Clatta from feeling and/or being responsible for hitting/hurting a pitcher unless real negligence was proven. I would take screens before dumbing down the bat/ball combo any day. Again, the enjoyment of crushing a ball, or watching one rip through a gap or hole is fundamental to the enjoyment of the vast did I say vast? yes VAST majority of players whether seniors or not. |
| Jan. 28, 2009 VINNY LV Men's 50 178 posts | Hey Joe,, you got it right, although it's more than a religion it's actually a cult... HERE WE GO STEELERS HERE WE GO !!!!!!!!!!!! Wait til the Cardinals run into the Lebeau cult followers,, it's not gonna be pretty.. all yinz Card followers be for warned of whats coming Sunday in Tampa :) |
| Jan. 28, 2009 Bob50 Men's 60 242 posts | Okay. Let's see if I can get some fur flying on this proposal. I propose that all DBO hitting the pitcher or thru the pitcher's box also require that the hitter be replaced in the lineup immediately. If there are no substitues then there is an out in the order at his spot each at bat after that. If it happens again with a different hitter in the same game then the same rule applies. Any comments? See Ronnie, I do have the guts to propose it. |
| Jan. 28, 2009 Corky Men's 55 451 posts | When you live in the north or midwest in the winter the only BP we get is inside at batting cages that look like a tunnel. Even with a pitcher and a screen most guys are blastin the middle. Most are 10 feet over the pitchers head but I haven't heard of any Height limit on balls thru the box with this rule. And Bob your way way out on your idea. Quit screwing with the game. If the pitcher is concerned suit him up in protective gear. If this catering to the few (major +) begins to ruin the game for the majority ( AA, AAA) then I'm goin back to playin with the kids. My best shot is the center field gap and now it could be an out BS |
| Jan. 28, 2009 Bob50 Men's 60 242 posts | That's a start. Any more? |
| Jan. 28, 2009 hitnrun5 Men's 70 72 posts | Fangrabbers will be there. To add insult to injury on the dbo rule last weekend, CJ&S won the tournament with a 3-3 record, Bandits were second at 3-3 and Fangrabbers came in tied for third at 4-1 with a team that was 2-3. How can the only team with a winning record finish third? Hopefully the "real" dbo rule will be applied and a format will be used so that the best record wins the G.G. tourney. |
| Jan. 28, 2009 EBOYD4545 8 posts | CJ&S won that tournament with a 4-2 record. |
| Jan. 28, 2009 the wood Men's 65 1123 posts | Bob50: At times, a lack of common sense can be perceived as 'guts'... as an example, would you have 'the guts' to jump off a 6 story building? If the answer is 'yes' read no further. If the answer is no is it because you have no guts or is because you're demonstrating common sense? It seems to me that you keep trying to add to this rule to protect yourself. Hey, if you feel that imperiled, don't play M/M+ or don't play at all or don't pitch or do wear head gear... whatever. But don't ask us to play down to your level of thinking. There are pitchers that truly are 'in over their head' in terms of fielding their position. I have seen them as its very apparent when they are on the mound. But it isn't realistic to expect the hitters to totally change their game. Having a DBO is plenty... it is already a disincentive to hit the ball near the pitcher, if it wasn't before. BW |
| Jan. 28, 2009 400 Men's 50 90 posts | WOW what a whine fest. First: A local tournament, a tuneup, didn't matter other than to shake the dust off Second: Sunday you lose you're out why complain Third: Normal rule applies. When I left park with my 6 year old grandson he was "excited" at having been there and wanted to know if we were leaving to go to another game. IMAGINE THAT A SIX YEAR OLD EXCITED TO WATCH 50 PLUS YEAR OLD MEN PLAY BALL!!! |
| Jan. 28, 2009 Dbax Men's 65 2100 posts | 400, you need to FOCUS!! |
| Jan. 28, 2009 bandits14 Men's 50 7 posts | hey dc. if dickie doo doesn't start hitting like a 4 hitter we are going to have to talk to keith about putting 10 in the 4 hole the way he hit in phoenix. i've never seen a guy who hits 800 and only hits the ball 125' |
| Jan. 28, 2009 Dbax Men's 65 2100 posts | Maybe he was swinging a wet Sporting Newa! |
| Jan. 28, 2009 bandits14 Men's 50 7 posts | dc- could not have been a wet copy of the sporting news. charlie was reading it |
| Jan. 28, 2009 Bob50 Men's 60 242 posts | Wood, You sure can be a jerk sometimes. Common sense--more than you can ever hope for. Guts--try me. |
| Jan. 28, 2009 salio2k Men's 60 547 posts | Bob50............You made a proposal of an amendment to the DBO and someone responded that they thought you to be wrong. That does't make them a jerk! If you want protection on the mound, you will have to purchase it. I have a mask. The DBO rule will not protect you, especialy when you have fear before facing the batters. |
| Jan. 28, 2009 Bob50 Men's 60 242 posts | If one pitches at the Major or Major Plus level he must have guts. That doesn't mean I would jump off a six story building. From that there is a correlation with common sense? The"guts" comment, if you read my post was directed to Ronnie. It came about in an earlier email between the two of us. Now do you follow. Maybe I was a little strong with Wood but if you're not tough you don't belong on the mound either. |
| Jan. 28, 2009 400 Men's 50 90 posts | Hey bandits14 yes you have while playing AA |
| Jan. 28, 2009 400 Men's 50 90 posts | Dbax I'm focused on that wet copy of the Sporting News |
| Jan. 29, 2009 ffdonnie Men's 60 137 posts | Bob50 you said lets see if I can start some fur flying, and then come up with a STUPID idea. the wood calls you on it. You then call him a jerk. Dude that just makes you an ass. |
| Jan. 29, 2009 CRUSADERVB Men's 70 275 posts | BOB....NOW YOU KNOW WHY I DIDN'T WANT TO STIR THE POT ABOUT YOUR POST!! WOODY WOULD HAVE JUMPED IN MY CA-CA ....AND HE'S MY COACH!!! YOU AND WOODY HAVE TO KISS AND MAKE UP. |
| Jan. 29, 2009 the wood Men's 65 1123 posts | Bob50: No, I don't know that you were overly strong in saying that I 'can be a jerk sometimes'. It's true so I really do not take offense to it. But I need to be painfully honest here and say that I am more of a jerk to those that I don't really like. So, from you, I'll take it as a compliment. But on the matter of guts v. common sense, my post wasn't that difficult to follow... you're a lawyer, aren't you, Bob? Common sense - using a different example... if you feel imperiled to pitch at the M/M+ level, use protective gear. If you choose otherwise, then perhaps you lack common sense. You are constantly speaking of the dangers, aren't you? As far as 'guts' goes... you somewhat issued a challenge to me and I'm not totally sure of how you meant it. However, I do recall playing against you in AZ about 17 months ago when you pitched part of the game. Wasn't it you. Bob, that was whining about a ball that went off your glove? It seems to me if you were really confident about your guts you'd show it more on the field than with words on a message board. Any pencil-neck geek with Word 7.0 can do that. We had a pitcher hit in the shoulder by a line drive (night game) and he didn't say a word about it. To me, that showed guts. This is a man that was 62-63 at the time. It showed even more guts when he went back out the mound to finish that game and he never has posted anything on this board about changing the rules. I believe that if you were 'more comfortable in your skin' (as it relates to pitching at the M/M+ levels) maybe you wouldn't be staging your campaign to change the game to suit your own needs. You came to the game, it didn't come to you. I don't see the REAL gutsy pitchers doing that... when Ray Tarazon (or someone like him) comes on this board and says that we ought to 'remove hitters from the game' then I'll adjust my thinking. Almost all of the guys that we play against understand that 99% of the hitters are just trying to get a hit... not trying to hurt anyone. No one has prefect bat control... otherwise they'd hit 1.000. When our hitter hit your glove (not your body) he was trying to hit the ball over the center field fence. Marv Mielke did that 2-3 times against us when we were playing 55s (2007) and we never said anything negative to him... and Ray didn't whine about it. In fact, if memory serves, he caught all of them. We understood that hitting the middle isn't malicious and that it's part of the game. If we have strong reason to think that there is a head hunter on the other team we'll approach this differently... but retaliating against their pitcher isn't our style... there are better options. We might walk him a few times, which isn't as harsh as having him removed from the game. There are other options as well. It is a free speech board and everyone has the privilege of exercising their thoughts. If your challenge of 'guts - try me' is about hitting the middle against you, that really isn't in my thinking any more. Before we used these bats, I'd take you up on that in a heart beat. Maybe I'm off base here as it relates to what you were trying to convey but I cannot imagine that you meant anything else. Could you clarify it for me? I would really appreciate that. By your thinking, shouldn't we also ban the hitter when an infielder gets hit? Why not? We (1B, 3B) are only a few feet further from the batter than the pitcher and we can't always tell where the pitch is going. BW |
| Jan. 29, 2009 Bob50 Men's 60 242 posts | I am also man enough to admit when I am wrong. I was and I regret my posts. For the record personally I would play under any rules that the associations believe are appropriate. My teammates can tell you about my record on the mound. Beyond that I have no further comment. |
| Jan. 30, 2009 butch17 Men's 55 412 posts | Mr. Wood I believe Bob50 was trying to state how crazy the rule and how the rule could change the game by the whims of an umpire but you always have to come back in such a hateful way. Everybody whines about something sometime or another. I remember somebody whining because they got beat by a 1 up homerun after they had won a game earlier by the same rule. My point is you have no right calling anyone out to try and belittle them. I let a couple of your digs pass the last time but I believe its time for you to show some respect to others. Bob if you don't like me thats okay. I truly believe that no matter what age group or classification someone plays that they should be respected as a person. We may not always agree but we can always be civil. I see a couple of players reponded to Bob50 about you but not one to you about what you said. I wonder why? I see one apology posted and I think your comments warrant a return. Butch Drake |
| Jan. 30, 2009 the wood Men's 65 1123 posts | Butch, are referring to the way that I responded to Bob's post in which he referred to me as a jerk? Actually, I felt that I accepted that with a certain level of aplomb. In the same post he commented that he had more than the average common sense and I disagreed... if you feel endangered when pitching and you choose to not wear head gear, etc... this tells me that maybe he isn't using good common sense. He also issued some level of a challenge to me and I asked for a clarification. I also presumed, in the absence of clarity, that he must have meant that I should 'try him' when he was pitching... i.e. hit the middle. Well, I felt that I side-stepped that in a semi-nice way. If you happen to disagree, perhaps you can get over it because you're not a party to it, Butch. BTW, in terms of our pitchers not being whiners... maybe you recall hitting a ball in LV that broke our pitcher's forearm. Did we snivel about it? Did we go after your guy? No, we didn't. We just assumed that it was an accident. You were playing for the Akron Silversmiths at the time. So back off, Butch. However, if you must know I'm not a big fan of yours... you asked me and I answered you. I won't bore you with why unless I see you in person and you happen to ask. It isn't a subject for this board because it becomes a cat chasing its own tail. For what it's worth I do try to be civil most of the time. There are many people on here that I genuinely respect and like. You do not happen to be one of them. This leaves me with the dilemma of being a people pleaser or being honest and straightforward. I choose the latter. As far as the claasification that someone plays... if you would take the time to read my posts, you'll see that I don't really care what level a team or players plays... as long as they play at the one they belong. I have always felt that changing a team's name to play down was weak, at best. I have friends that play in all of levels and I respect their right to this and I enjoy them with no reservations. So please do not read into my attitudes what aren't there. Butch, I can be civil with you and we can co-exist. But don't look for me to kiss your behind because it will never happen... we are not friends... let's not try to make it into something that it isn't. We are acquaintenaces... period. BW |
| Jan. 31, 2009 the wood Men's 65 1123 posts | Butch, I did not give you the apology that you were seeking in my last post. For the record, I am sorry that this has occurred. BW |
| Jan. 31, 2009 butch17 Men's 55 412 posts | Bob the ball I hit was an accident and nobody felt worse than I. Your pitcher and team was more than kind about it, and I thank them. At no time did I ask you if you liked me or respected me because and I know this may hurt your pride, as you must think everybody worries how you feel about them, but what Bob thinks means nothing to me one way or the other. There are certain type of people I call friends and you dont fit the bill so dont think for a minute I have ever considered you a friend. I also can be civil and co-exist. Butch |
| Jan. 31, 2009 Joncon 328 posts | """"We (1B, 3B) are only a few feet further from the batter than the pitcher """"" Are you kidding me? 1b and 3b can stand wherever they want. Most play at LEAST 70' back and have PLENTY of time to get out of the way. Many go as far as the dirt will let them when certain batters are up. I don't have a solid opinion on this rule yet but I know it's quite the can-o-worms. Umpires absolutely HATE it but I believe that they are the only one to determine when to apply an up the middle penalty and most of them are not qualified to make that call. BTW, I only pitch in a PINCH and I absolutely HATE it. It takes the fun out of the game when you have to worry about taking a ball to the grill. No guts I guess. |
| Feb. 1, 2009 JohnBob Men's 65 256 posts | I do not like this rule either pitcher makes play on ground ball in double play situation but DBO called no chance to turn DP. NO FREAKING WAY OUR TEAM WILL FLY ACROSS COUNTRY TO PLAY WITH RULES LIKE THIS! Leave the game alone and let's play. |
| Feb. 1, 2009 the wood Men's 65 1123 posts | Butch, I was responding to your point... "Bob if you don't like me thats ok"... no less, no more. I'm sorry if I misunderstood your point in stating that. But co-existing isn't difficult... being civil isn't either. You know my position and I know yours. There is strength in that. Ideally, we both can now move forward. BW |
| Feb. 1, 2009 Dirty Men's 50 1371 posts | A screen? Infielders and outfielders will adjust???? Everyone has to adjust because one guy cannot handle the heat, and refuses to find a new hobby? Why turn the field into a miniature golf hole? |
| Feb. 1, 2009 Airbosn Men's 70 329 posts | Played a few warm-up games yesterday with a mix of 50, 55, 60 and 65 year olds...First 3 innings played outfield, last 4innings I pitched, had 2 come at the box...made the play, no big thing. Second game, it was decided to use a screen. I started at second, after 2 innings I was pitching again, however, I was lazy because of the screen and did not attempt to field the 10 balls that came back.(BTW, I can not stand the screen. Screen for practice, rec ball OK...NO screen for tourney ball IMO. |
| Feb. 1, 2009 RIK56 Men's 60 137 posts | dirty you crack me up why dont you get a new hobby,you must have something better to do then posting goofy statements on a message board.one guy cant stand the heat give me a break i"m not seeing you out there taking the heat up the middle.and dont give me your lame excuse about 3 team tournments.i dont like all the rules i hate the pitching box,and the homeruns being outs but they are the rules and i will play by them. |
| Feb. 1, 2009 butch17 Men's 55 412 posts | We were using a screen a few tears ago for batting practice when a ball went thru the screen and we had to take the pitcher to the hospital when the ball hit him in the face. A false sense of security. |
| Feb. 1, 2009 WOW 197 posts | If you buy a good screen that won't happen. I've never seen a ball go through any screen in all the yrs. we've been using one. |
| Feb. 2, 2009 Dirty Men's 50 1371 posts | If you have the money to spend/waste on tiny brackets, fine. I have 3 more kids to put through college, and would rather spend $50 for 30 games than $500 for 4. But the truth is these new rules are REALLY silly. |
| Feb. 2, 2009 mad dog Men's 65 4191 posts | rik56,dirty has nothing better to do as he is a non-player.HE WAS CUT by the senior team he tried to play for(schones from ohio),bad attitude and and lack of ability.so now he would rather belittle everyone who does play and find fault with everything that HE thinks is wrong with the senior game.maybe one of these yrs he will grow up and maybe offer something constuctive on the board to help the senior game. |
| Feb. 2, 2009 Dirty Men's 50 1371 posts | mad dog, describe the bad attitude for me. This should be good. You want constructive ideas? Here goes. NO special bats. This solves a number of issues (HR rules, pitcher protection rules, and and all safety issues, can eliminate run limits per inning). Basically it can get senior ball back to being real softball. Only two divisions, call them what you want. Might improve tournament turnout, though no guarantee of that, but worth the try considering how few teams show in many cases today. Reduce the number of associations. Make the "national" tournaments really mean something. When there are so many what are most of them worth? Have real qualifiers, and again make winning a national mean something. |
| Feb. 2, 2009 DMac Men's 60 207 posts | Gary: Why bother sending your kids to college? If they are anything like you, they already know everything. |
| Feb. 2, 2009 Dirty Men's 50 1371 posts | Do you say the same thing to "einstein"? Why say crap that isn't true, just because I might not agree with the clique on here that thinks they own Senior softball? |
| Feb. 2, 2009 #19 Men's 70 302 posts | Dirty... It seems obvious to me that we wish to continue to pay hundreds of dollars for our special senior bats ... It would make more sense to change the ball... Athough that's not likely to happen either since we love being able to hit harder and farther than we were ever capable of in our prime... It's kind of like playing fantasy softball. |
| Feb. 2, 2009 Dirty Men's 50 1371 posts | I understand, I guess. I have a built-in check at home, my kids realize we are allowed an advantage no one else is and remind me of that regularly. I cannot argue the point with them, not that I don't realize it anyway. |
| Feb. 2, 2009 mad dog Men's 65 4191 posts | Feb. 2, 2009 Dirty Men's 50 354 posts mad dog, describe the bad attitude for me. This should be good. You want constructive ideas? Here goes. NO special bats. This solves a number of issues (HR rules, pitcher protection rules, and and all safety issues, can eliminate run limits per inning). Basically it can get senior ball back to being real softball. Only two divisions, call them what you want. Might improve tournament turnout, though no guarantee of that, but worth the try considering how few teams show in many cases today. Reduce the number of associations. Make the "national" tournaments really mean something. When there are so many what are most of them worth? Have real qualifiers, and again make winning a national mean something. ---------------------------------------- well lets see-bats are 1.2 bpf just like all assoc.except ASA. nothing special there.seems like real softball to me there are to many senior assoc.yeah if you say so,just like the younger div's. 2 major senior assoc(ssusa,spa)ones. qualifiers are for setting your roster,not to get into a national tourney.most younger players do not have to win a qualifier to go to worlds. why only 2 divs,not one of the younger assoc groups have only 2 divs,why should senior ball. attitude as told by a past team member of yours,and as seen on this board. |
| Feb. 2, 2009 einstein Men's 50 3112 posts | Hey Robert, He's broken the peace but those who monitor the website don't want to see it that way. He starts crap all the time, consistently and if peace will ever find us then aggressive, cynical, disparaging behavior needs to be checked at the door. C'mon, man. |
| Feb. 2, 2009 4x4 Men's 65 601 posts | Hey - - - what the hell happened to my topic??????? Going along just fine until some none playing dipstick from Cleveland started lifting his leg and spraying! Actually - probably squatting and spraying.......... Gary - take your disease/condition/impotence elsewhere. You're a non-entity here putting your flacid opinion where it's not needed - wanted or welcomed Go play with/in your little league and see if you can cut it there. You don't here and are clearly out of your depth in many areas. This topic started about something experienced in a TOURNAMENT. Clearly, something you know precious little about. Hope to see you in the "pitchers box" someday when I'm hitting. I'm betting a lot of us feel that way. |
