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Jan. 13, 2005
SSUSA Staff
1007 posts
NOONE HAS BEEN BANNED FROM THIS SITE
To address the rumors about people being banned, this is just not true. Noone has been banned from the message board site. Not even ones who have bad-mouthed our staff and organization. What we do is remove any posts or threads that may be obscene, libelous, or whose primary purpose is the sale of goods or services. When you start a new discussion there is a policy you agree to before submitting any message. SSUSA appreciates the use of our message board by all whether you agree with us or not.
Jan. 13, 2005
jah#4
Men's 55
551 posts
this shows a lot of class for the SSUSA staff. Just glad to read that no one has beened banned from the site
Jan. 13, 2005
Walk
192 posts
But some have been told if they keep protesting the new rule they will never play for a CA team in the SSUSA and be ban. The warning has been given.
Walk
Jan. 13, 2005
KillAbrew
Men's 60
55 posts
walk, that is just not fair. I had not heard that. I did not think this Association would ever do something like that. I can not believe this has happened to the Association that Bob Mitchell worked so hard on. You must be wrong. I'm sorry but this is just too far. They would not threaten.
Jan. 14, 2005
STONEMAN
Men's 50
535 posts
KILLABREW: I believe that Terry & Bill, work very hard & have put up w/ a lot of crap. IT IS NOT E-Z TO PLEASE EVERYONE!!! Several yrs. ago I was suspended from SS-USA & Terry, still lets me post on this web site.

2yrs. ago, a Western State UIC 4 NSA, told me (In St. George) that if, I keep sending E-MAILS to their offices & stated my opinion & how unfair that orgin.' was, that I would be banned from all of softball. This UIC, is a friend of mine. I was informed that I would not be able to play in City Leagues, small Tournamnets, State Tourn., National or Worlds.
WHY? Because I stated several of their lies. 1) No more bat bans 4 the rest of the yr, then 2-3 months later NSA did ban more bat. 2) I sent them test data that stated that NSA softballs exceeded specs 4 testing of bats. What this did was make a legal bat that was rated 1.2 BPF now 1.29. 3) I sent NSA copies from MIKEN & EASTON that stated that NSA could send me copies of the bat test. These letters also, stated that NSA had never sent to MIKEN or EASTON any TEST RESULTS. I never got the test results. 4) I informed NSA that I had sent to MIKEN a copy of their E-mail in which NSA's UIC called all the bats that got banned were cheaters & that the cheaters (bat makers) were made to replace those bats.
That was the yr. that NSA stated that all WORLDs 4 that yr. would use an Optical Yellow 47 cor ball w/ a 525 comp. At St. George, a 44 cor ball w/ a 375 comp was used. That ball was a sock.

THANK YOU TERRY, for all of u're hard work & TRYing u're best to make SENIOR SOFTBALL BETTER.
Jan. 15, 2005
stever
Men's 65
56 posts
I, too, would like to thank Terry. It is impossible to please everyone. No matter what decision is made, someone is going to take issue with it and some people take very personal issues. I have had disagreements with some of his decisions in the past; but, the deisagreement was never taken to a personal level. I truly believe Terry is trying to do the best he can to balance all sides of issues and make the decision he feels is in the best interest of the organization and the majority. I run a business, too, and we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone who is trying to undermine our business. This is not a step to be taken lightly, and it would take a very serious circumstance to do this; however, no business owner should have to put up with anyone who is trying to destroy his business. I don't know if Terry has every banned anyone but I'm sure, based on my experiences with him, that he did so only as a last resort.
To the people who are so vehemenly protesting the new rule: Let's try to work within the system and use reasonable discussion to get it changed; not AD HOMINEM attacks. I happen to agree that Major Plus rosters should be open to anyone; however, I also can see Terry's point. I believe, however, that if I am in disagreement with a policy or rule I have two courses of action: (1) work withn the system to try and get the decision makers to change their mind, or (2) go somewhere else. Any other action is childish, arrogant, and undefensible. I don't own the organization and, as much as I might want to play in it, I must abide by its rules or not play.
Jan. 15, 2005
Walk
192 posts
Maybe I should give a little history here. Everyone seems to think I just started to attack on the open board before I tried any discussions on the matter. Well that is not true at all.

1 Last year at the SPA worlds I was informed of this new rule by Ridge. I talked and talked to him explaining how bad the rule was and so did many others. We got no where.

2. The new rule was decided upon in a matter of days without discussion with the paying members because RB lost to GT teams last year at a world. This was aided by BR teams losing to GT teams which used 1 legal exempt player.

3. I have done everything by the rules as far as asking for the exemption and still yet to this day have I heard back from any of these TD about my requests. I have sent e-mails, faxes, and letters. All by the rules all very polite but still no answer. I found out via a third party. It was not until after all of this did I decided to take my case to the board.

Sorry guys but this is not a case of someone finding out the new rule and just airing out their feelings on here. If (and this may cost me in the end but it needs to be said) SSUSA is so thoughtful and concerned about the way players are treated on here then explain why they could not answer just one of my requests themselves. I know why and it is simple. Terry knows the rule is wrong. It was not until after I was snubbed by the SSUSA staff that I got mad and started posting.

This is Terry and Bill's association but they depend on the players to pay the bills. I understand the Major Plus is one of the lowest attened divisions and the number of players are nill compared to the rest. I understand you cannot make everyone happy but what I don't understand is the lack of communication. They have no problem cashing my check for my ID card real fast but they did not have the common courtesy to answer my request which was done by their rules.

"Questions posted here may not be answered.
For questions about Senior Softball-USA, Senior Softball News or Senior Softball World Championships please call 916-326-5303 (9 a.m. and 5 p.m. PST) or send us e-mail" I did this and still have not heard from anyone at the SSUSA. Sorry their concern and kindness is not for everyone. It seems to me if they don't like the question then it is just not answered.
Walk
Jan. 16, 2005
NorCal1B
11 posts
Although I'm not in a position to know, I would be shocked if anyone had EVER been banned from this message board. The occasional 'post' or 'thread' of posts goes away for violations of any of the criteria the SSUSA Staff mentioned above, and that's certainly appropriate.

I've seen a LOT of message boards over the years, on a variety of topics, and this one seems to be the most tolerant BY FAR in allowing a full and open discussion on issues that are controversial or may not be in line (even partially) with the SSUSA's official positions. I find it admirable that they are so tolerant, and am hopeful that such tolerance allows the SSUSA to be open to considering alternative points of view that are so well stated here by a lot of members that truly care about our sport.

Walk, I don't consider your posts to be an 'attack' at all on anyone, and although we may not always agree on things, PLEASE keep posting your well reasoned analysis and continue to be open to those that may not agree with you, too. It's ALL GOOD that way!
Jan. 20, 2005
SSUSA Staff
1007 posts
Dear Walk,
We were not aware of your many attempts to contact us in regards to your concerns. Please call 916-326-5309, which is a direct line so we may resolve this matter promptly. Thank you.
Jan. 20, 2005
william wallace
42 posts
i believe hementioned that was his lastpost ever.
William Wallace
Jan. 21, 2005
KillAbrew
Men's 60
55 posts
SSUSA Staff, just an idea. But I am sure you have all of Walk's contact info on hand. He has been a registered member. Why not contact him if you really want to talk.
Jan. 21, 2005
Walk
192 posts
I had planned on never posting on this board again but today I received this from my manager of the AAA team that I had intended on playing with this year.
"Hi Tim:
I am sorry that you have that information-We never allow a major plus player
to play on a AAA team-
I am sure that this is not the best news for you, but it is a standard
rule-we do not make exceptions to this
Take care
Fran"
I sent this answer to the SSUSA via the e-mail at least 5 times and have called the number listed here twice with no answer on either. As you can see once again as before there is no communication. I have left my phone number at the bottom and would like to hear from someone. but I am sure this will not happen.

"So what Terry is saying is he has banned me from playing SSUSA softball. You see because of this new rule you have put into place I as a major plus player have no place to play at that level. We also have no major teams in my region so my only choose is to play with Tim at the AAA level. Terry told Kenny Lipinski when he asked if I could play with him that I could not and that he would never and I repeat never stop a AAA team from picking up a Major Plus player that is in my situation. He will not let me play for Kenny, there are no teams anywhere that I can play for and now you are saying he mis-spoke to Kenny and I am not allowed to play AAA.

So please inform me what am I suppose to do and if your association has decided not to let me play softball at the senior level.
Bruce Walker
816-746-0168"

And y'all wondered why I was so critical of the new rule. I knew it would screw a bunch of players in the end and as was stated by RB and other this statement is coming true "If they don't like the rule they can just not play"

Walk
Jan. 21, 2005
fran44
Men's 55
40 posts
Rules are rules but you need to revisit rules when the rules proclude a member from playing the game at any level because of geography. I also thought that the exemption rules was going to be resinded by this association and others.
Jan. 21, 2005
KillAbrew
Men's 60
55 posts
Why would there be a rule that stops a player from playing in his area but still stops him from playing out of the area. Is this darn dumb or am I missing something. Please help me on this. This rule does and will not effect me. Plenty of AA teams in my area. But just seems very unfair.
Jan. 21, 2005
Walk
192 posts
Well Fran44 they did not rescind the rule. They also do not answer the phone or their e-mails but then again I am use to it.

Rules are rules and that is true but discrimnation is not allowed in this country. I said all along I wanted to play where I belonged but that was not allowed by the rule. Now we want to enforce this rule when in the past (just last year) this association and the SPS allowed several Major Plus who played at the Major Plus level in 2003 to play at the AAA level. So explain how that fits into the rules.

Walk
Forced to retire thanks Terry and Ridge.
Jan. 21, 2005
ssalt
Men's 70
9 posts
Walk, do I understand you correctly... there are no maj+ or maj teams in your allowed area and you are not allowed to play on a AAA team ... catch 22... the rule sucks... thats gotta be corrected.
Jan. 21, 2005
ssalt
Men's 70
9 posts
Walk, do I understand you correctly... there are no maj+ or maj teams in your allowed area and you are not allowed to play on a AAA team ... catch 22... the rule sucks... thats gotta be corrected.
Jan. 21, 2005
Walk
192 posts
That is correct. There are no Major or Major Plus teams in my area. There have never been any that is why I played out of region for the past 6 years. I was also an exempt player from the get go because I was on the USSSA major player list so I really never had a chance to play AAA.

We have one AAA team that plays tournaments in KC and now I cannot play with them. So it looks like I will just play in the association that does not discriminate and league softball. For the record I have sent Ridge 3 e-mails and have received no answer. I have sent 16 e-mails to the SSUSA and have received no answer. I have called both and no one answered so this "We were not aware of your many attempts to contact us in regards to your concerns. Please call 916-326-5309, which is a direct line so we may resolve this matter promptly." is nothing more than lip service for the sake of the board.
Walk
Jan. 21, 2005
Sticks
22 posts
Is it really that hard to regulate some kind of special exemption or hardship rule to allow the very few cases like Walk's to play in all Associations. How difficult can that really be.
Or is all this talk correct and there is just some kind of vendetta. I for one do not believe that. I feel this will get resolved. It has to. If not this is really some sad butt crap.
Jan. 21, 2005
Sticks
22 posts
Why not just have those very few players and teams submit some kind of application to the Associations. Come on guys.
Jan. 21, 2005
Walk
192 posts
I need to rescind some of my thoughts. Fran and I just talked and we are trying to work this out. Terry is out of country right now so we will have to wait until Weds. Fran sounds like a great person who has a great passion for the game. She also sounds like someone I can trust.

Thank you Fran for calling me and taking the time to listen to my problem. I know that I can sometimes be a pain in the you know what and I am sorry for getting so upset. But my only desire is just to play softball.
Walk

Jan. 21, 2005
Knuckles
Men's 55
3 posts
Fran is tops. I'm glad you (Walk) were able to get to talk with her personally. She is just the best. All of us from the team I am on just think the world of her. Glad to see this appears to be working out for you.
Jan. 22, 2005
william wallace
42 posts
i hope thee willhave somewhereto play.
William Wallace
Jan. 22, 2005
jah#4
Men's 55
551 posts
I have to agree Fran is the greatest to work with. She helped our team get in the Winter World at the last min. and work with some of our players that did not have up to date cards. SSWC staff in Ft. Myers showed a lot of class and bented over backward to help and anwser our questions.
Jan. 23, 2005
Bat-Heater
Men's 50
64 posts
I agree. Fran is top shelf
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