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Discussion: HR's cry me a river

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Feb. 18, 2009
wagon487
Men's 50
516 posts
HR's cry me a river
I'm tired of people complaing about hr limit. we had HR's limits before we got to senior ball and it was no problem. Stop crying and start playing.
play a five man infield if you are worried about your pitcher.
stop the crying already, play ball....
Feb. 18, 2009
DesertDave
Men's 60
74 posts
Good Call
Feb. 18, 2009
softball4b
Men's 60
722 posts
Tell me you were not anxious to play Senior Ball so you could hit HRs again...........
Feb. 18, 2009
DesertDave
Men's 60
74 posts
What do you mean,"HRs again" I'm still just happy to hit it.
Feb. 18, 2009
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
softball4b, I know that is true for many but it really is such a sad statement.
Feb. 18, 2009
DesertDave
Men's 60
74 posts
OOPS, guess it's time to go now.
Feb. 18, 2009
wagon487
Men's 50
516 posts
softball4b, HRs never entered my mind when I came here 4 years ago. I was a big believer in getting rid of senior bats, now that shaving bats seems to be growing, i now say keep the senior bats, at least i know what everyone is swinging. back to the HRs, limits are great. if your (that is directed at everyone) game is about HRs play major plus. end of story.
Feb. 18, 2009
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Yea, cause after all you cannot shave the special bats.
Feb. 18, 2009
OZ 33
3 posts
The Great and Powerful WIZARD OF OZ says Dirty if you can't be positive. Take your negative attitude somewhere else.
Feb. 18, 2009
shortly50
Men's 50
41 posts
Hey OZ33, I used to play on a team with a guy nicknamed OZ & his number was 33. We played out of Orange County Ca. could you be him?
Feb. 18, 2009
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Why is the truth "negative"? Senior bats can also be shaved, so what is being saved by allowing them?
Feb. 20, 2009
BMoney
37 posts
Wagon,
You and I are on the same page on this one.All of this comes from the lazy swings developed by UII's.

Money
Feb. 20, 2009
18mike
Men's 55
23 posts
Wagon 487:
With all due respect,I cannot disagre with you more.
At our age (50+) a Homerun should be one of 2 things, a homerun or a single.
The notion that a Senior Player hitting a ball over the fence is a bad thing makes no sense to me.
I am starting my 6th year of playing Senior Softball and I am so thankful I don't have to play against the young kids that don't appreciate/respect the game like we all do. I live in the north and on Tuesdays and Thursdays we play indoors at a dome. It is a great time with lots of comraderie and mutual respect. We put a screen in front of the pitcher and have at it. We use senior bats, swing away and have a great time. Balls are bouncing off ther roof, and skipping through the astroturf. It can be a little dicey at times but it keeps you on your toes.I feel fortunate at 55 to still be able to play the game.All of the guys I played ball with in I suck at golf. However,I have made a lot of good new friends that share my passion for softball and that has been a very rewarding experience.
Bottom Line:
LET THE HOMERUNS COUNT...DON'T LET THEM BE OUTS!!!!!!!
Feb. 21, 2009
diehard
Men's 55
245 posts
As a batter when you hit the ball hard and it goes over the fence, and it is called an out, it is tough to take. But, if we are as skilled at hitting as what I read on this website that we should be at our age, then you should have learned bat control by now. On the other hand, when you are in the field, and the other team is hitting ball after ball over the fence, and they are all singles, and they are racking up run after run, that is tough to try to defend against. So the power team has the advantage in that case, which means going into the game the two teams, even though they may be ranked the same, are not equal. I guess the rule that anything over the homerun limit is an out, is there to equal things out.

Bux,
I would agree that the UII's are better bats than non - senior bats, but lazy swing. Even if you use any of these senior bats, you still have to swing hard and hit the ball right. You just can't go up to the plate, throw the bat at the ball and it automatically goes over the fence. Over the years I have played with or against some of the best power hitters around and they all swing hard even while using a UII. Hope all is well with you, who are you with this year?
Feb. 21, 2009
mad dog
Men's 60
3935 posts
ok,if we allow all balls hit over to be hr's then we might as well do away with all div's and just have one.the hr limits are to keep the divs even.we have div's just like the young ones and just as they do,we have to have limits.i am a firm believer tho that the top div should be unlimited or well up there in limits(20 or so).major could be 10,AAA 3-5 max,AA 1 or 2.the lower divs need the limits to keep the sandbagging down.well my rant,good everyone in the upcoming season.
Feb. 21, 2009
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
If their singles or walks instead of outs
what advantage would there be to sandbagging?
None.
And as someone said earlier
there's much more to a major plus player
and major plus champion than hitting HRs.
It's pitching and defense that makes Champions.
Ask the Mavericks.

Feb. 21, 2009
Jawood
Men's 50
788 posts
Wagon487, You are most likely one of those that could not hit HR's in your youth anyway and feels that since you can't hit it, your glad that others can't either. Also what is this about HR limits in our younger days? 20 years ago there were no homerun limits unless you played at the "D" level or something. DBO's is the mumber one reason that we don't see as many young guys even interested in softball anymore when they get out of school, numbers are WAY down from where they used to be when all of us were introduced to the game.
Feb. 22, 2009
MaverickAH
59 posts
Wagon487: I wholeheartedly agree!
Feb. 22, 2009
wagon487
Men's 50
516 posts
Jarwood, i used to hit your mother when i was yonger:) (just joking) yes i hit home runs, before and after i turned 50. Blaming DBO's for the reason the numbers are down for young guys is crazy. in my area softball is off the charts. when you start playing ball and are used to a hr limit, it's not a big deal. The only people i see complaning about DBO is some seniors.
Feb. 22, 2009
QC Softball
Men's 55
19 posts
I agree with wagon 487. We've had home runs limits most of our softball lives. It is the only way to keep teams and players from sandbagging.
Feb. 22, 2009
#19
Men's 60
252 posts
Anytime one can mis-hit a ball, and it still flies over a 300-foot fence, something isn't right.
Feb. 22, 2009
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
This is promising.
I believe I'm right.
Others in opposition believe their right.
No problem.
Respectful adversaries, just like in a softball game.
It's when someone "starts" making it personal
or disparaging that changes things for the worse.
It's the antagonist alone who must be held
accountable for trouble that has begun.
Everyone else is just exercising their inalienable right to defend themselves.
So let's watch for the first person
who takes it over the line
and if no one does
we'll have a constructive and rewarding
discussion.

Good bat/ball combo = softball fun.
HR's as singles/walks
helps protect pitcher/infielders
It's just that simple.
Feb. 22, 2009
#19
Men's 60
252 posts
Believing one is right is one thing... contending that one speaks for a silent majority with no corroboration is something else entirely... when one can provide proof that one is speaking for the majority, then, and only then, will it be accepted as such... a simple list of those one is speaking for will suffice.

When true home-run hitters are the ones hitting the majority of the home-runs, and not singles/gap-hitters like myself, that is when a softball game is an honest and true softball game... At that point, everything else will take care of itself.

It really is just that simple.



Feb. 22, 2009
Jawood
Men's 50
788 posts
It is a fact that there aren't as many people playing softball (at least in the Northwest, as 20 years ago). Maybe it's the weather! You are right that a lot of people don't know anything different than DBO's, to them it's not that big a deal, I guess. The reason that seniors are upset about it is they do remember that it was different some years ago. But softball does lose a lot of potential players to adult baseball and part of that reason is they say to themselves "If I hit a ball out of the park, it's an out? No thanks". The discussion about sandbagging, I really don't know anything about because I have never played on a team that wanted to stay at a lower level just to win tourneys.
Feb. 22, 2009
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Anyone can say they speak for the majority
on an issue as I have done.
It's whether they're right or not that counts.

Oftentimes reality can be seen accurately
only from/through the heart and soul of us
which lie deeply within.
Oftentimes, I don't need to be told anything when
I figured something out about what's going
on, through and around me.
Not unlike being a judge or a jury member.
After a while you can get what's going on
all by yourself.

For example
I played 50's, 55's and 60's
across the country last year and
I haven't met one softball player
who said he wants/enjoys playing softball
with a poor bat/ball combo.
It's safe for ME to say this reflects
a majority opinion.
Also, when I'm talking with guys who are very influential with respect to decisions about senior softball, the game I play and love,
and they no longer play or have never played it
then I tend to feel more comfortable talking
about the players perspective
or what most players might think or believe.

You're a singles hitter.
Great.
I've found that long ball hitters
and singles guys have very different philosophies/approaches
regarding hitting and can't really speak for one another.

Hitting the ball out and far for some hitters
is a function of playing with good equipment
which we both pay for and and deserve
and there's nothing wrong with it.
Nothing's worse than having to play with a ball
that won't go anywhere when you hit it hard.
Nothing.
Just ask the guys who went to SPA last year.

I've been swinging for the fences for years
but know the value of the guys that just try to
get on base, too and
just like Babe Ruth meant when he said,
"If I'd been a singles and doubles hitter
he'd have batter 650."
He didn't because learning to hit and hitting
the long ball is a ton of fun
as any of us guys who do it
can attest.

The bat/ball combo is great danger
of going below what is acceptable for senior players
to accommodate "outside" interests.
What I mean by outside interests are
the those of some TD's and marketeers
who have other agendas than
the players who play and want to enjoy the game
as it primarily was last year.

If/as the bat/ball combo goes below the level
that is fundamentally enjoyable for most seniors to experience, they/we won't play.
2000 of us have learned that very lesson
out here in California.

So, is what I'm saying idle or meddling
or coming from weird/unique place.
Hell no.
It's meant as a heads up to all
so we won't have to waste a year
waiting for TD's to get what we've already learned
about senior softball preferences and needs
out here in California.

Good bat/ball combo
HR's as singles/walks
for fun and pitcher protection
5 runs per inning rule to keep games
competitive
and let's have a blast.
It's that simple, really.
Feb. 22, 2009
mad dog
Men's 60
3935 posts
oh forgot to add,is if a team walks the other teams hr hitter,he gets 2b.
Feb. 22, 2009
mad dog
Men's 60
3935 posts
einstein
Men's 50
1009 posts
If their singles or walks instead of outs
what advantage would there be to sandbagging?
None.
And as someone said earlier
there's much more to a major plus player
and major plus champion than hitting HRs.
It's pitching and defense that makes Champions.
Ask the Mavericks.
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ok joe not sure what you mean here,but a team that keeps hitting it out with no penalty(i don't call a walk or single for an over the limit hr a penalty)and can keep hitting is the sandbagging part.AAA or lower teams should not have a bunch of over the fence hits,thats why they are rated AAA and lower.i've seen a AAA team hit an avg of 10 over a game, and still complain when talk was to move them up.the lower teams should not have more than 10 per 7-8 games in a tourney.so lets keep the limits as we have always had them growing up.oh c ball had a 1 hr limit in ASA and u-trip was a 1 hr hitter.maybe thats what we should go to is have designated hr hitters on a team,AA have 1,AAA have 2,major have 5 and major+ be unlimited.you could designate before the game or the first ones to do it be the hr hitter.and if a team is playing down in div they play by the lower rated teams hr rule.
Feb. 22, 2009
mad dog
Men's 60
3935 posts
forgot to add,that if you walk the hr hitter he gets 2b.keeps teams from just walking him.
Feb. 22, 2009
QC Softball
Men's 55
19 posts
So if I put 10 homer hitters on the field of which maybe 5 are good defensively and you throw out 10 good defensive plays that can't hit the ball out of the park. Situation: there is a 5 run limit per inning and the homer hitters are home team for the open inning. Who has the advantage the homer hitters that donít have to run on offense and only a little on defense or the team that has to run everything out? At the lower levels there needs to be an equalizer. Not sure if the home runs limit is the solution but it an attempt. Einstein anyone that has ever seen you play (Iíve had the chance to play against you 6 or 7 times) canít say you're not a sandbagger but there are teams and players out there. When have more than one or two divisions you will always have some players and teams playing down to win.
Feb. 22, 2009
BMoney
37 posts
You guys are barking up the wrong tree with Wagon.I play against him.He is a complete player who plays the ENTIRE game. He can hit the long ball and he can play defense,but he ain't happy unless he goes 8 for 8.He adjusts to the circumstances. He is just expressing his opinion.He like others on this board are just getting tired of hearing all the crying about HR's.Let's play with these new rules and see how it works out.We have got to do something to even the playing field between mainly Major and Major+.
But maybe AAA falls under this also.
Money
Feb. 22, 2009
wagon487
Men's 50
516 posts
Bmoney, thanks for the kind words, i owe you lunch!
Feb. 22, 2009
Gary33
143 posts
shorty 50 I'm not that guy.
Feb. 22, 2009
JamesLG
296 posts

It seems like many people forget the guys who are missing balls now and hitting them over 300' are the same guys who were missing them in the 70's with 36oz Bombats and hitting the ball out of the park. Why do we decide to punish the power player now in his SENIOR years? If I was one of the big guns and this new rule made the game not fun anymore it would be an easy decision on how much time and $ I would spend playing this game. Sandbagging can and should be controlled by SSUSA. The guys swinging the bats are easy to blame but they are not the folks who can make the call to move a team up. The answer is right there and all is needed is to MANAGE the situation.
Thank You:

James
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