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Feb. 21, 2009
JamesLG
295 posts
A simple
OK Folks:

We have seen many topics regarding the new HR rule. I would like to see A simple "YES" if you agree with the new rule and "NO" for those who don't. I would just like to see what the majority is on this board. A "NO" meaning you believe a ball over the fence after your allotted number is a single or walk.
I for one am a "NO" to the new rule.

Thanks:
James
Feb. 21, 2009
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
No.
The new rule endangers pitchers and infielders
needlessly and
strongly suggests the presence
of other interests than what senior
softball players want and need.
Feb. 21, 2009
Babe
2 posts
JamesLG: No. Over the limit endangers the pitchers; no matter how great of a hitter one might be,most everyone will alter their swing once the limit is reached.

In most associations: HR's over the limit are only a single, there may be some assoc. that cause the runner to advance a base no matter what base they occupy.

So, in most cases: 2 doubles= 1 run
2-3 singles= 1 run

Over the limit HR's 4 Hrs= 1 run


Babe
Feb. 22, 2009
MaverickAH
59 posts
ABSTAIN

Why? Because in all honesty it makes no difference one way or the other to me. I'm going to play the game presented to me either way. I am going to make whatever adjustments to my game that I need to make & adapt.

Besides, I've played in leagues with much harsher rules where the arc was 20ft and a HR was a DBO from the moment the ump said, "Play Ball!".
Feb. 22, 2009
Jimmy#7
12 posts
You can ONLY SCORE a certain about of HR's per inning-THEN you flip-MAYBE in the 7th make it a Double-to SPEED thing's up-BUT,then the batter MIGHT HAVE TO HUSSLE-RATHER THAN FLEX TO 1st.
Feb. 22, 2009
Gekle BUilders
Men's 50
204 posts
Turning Major plus into AA my answer is NO.So the last two post is that a yes or no.Simple question.
Feb. 22, 2009
QC Softball
Men's 55
19 posts
Answer is YES. Our Major plus team averages 3 home runs a game. That means we have to run the bases more and when it gets hot people tire out. Unlimited home runs take that part of softball away. Make the big guys run and play defense and let's see their batting averages drop. I pitch still in young man ball and they have home run limits yet pitchers are not getting beat-up. Oh that's right they can't use U's. Take away the U's and you can have your unlimited home runs. You shouldn't have both. Too many home runs by guys that couldn't hit home runs when they were young.
Feb. 22, 2009
Player25
Men's 55
51 posts
Answer is Yes if you are moving teams into major plus that were not designed/built/have no desire to play there. Answer is no if you let only the teams who were designed/built/have the desire to play there. Still believe a better answer is to change the bat/ball combo to reduce the home runs being hit by those who should not/have seldom if ever hit a home run.
Feb. 22, 2009
Pax
5 posts
A simple YES
Feb. 22, 2009
18mike
Men's 55
23 posts
NO
Feb. 22, 2009
Husky71
Men's 50
25 posts
No!
Feb. 22, 2009
angus73
Men's 50
97 posts
#%!@%*^$ NO
Feb. 22, 2009
wagon487
Men's 50
507 posts
a simple yes
Feb. 22, 2009
Jano23
Men's 50
95 posts
NO!
Feb. 22, 2009
gary#27nor.ca.storm
Men's 55
58 posts
NO
Feb. 22, 2009
Lefty
Men's 65
451 posts
NO
Feb. 22, 2009
BMoney
37 posts
Yes
Feb. 22, 2009
4x4
Men's 65
589 posts
NO !
Feb. 22, 2009
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2582 posts
It's not a simple answer for me. I like the home run but can adjust my swing not to hit them... NO
I understand that it should increase the number of Major and Major Plus teams if we restrict the hrs....Yes
The problem here is will more player hit up the middle, resulting in the need for a screen or dbo?
So, I vote no and yes.
Feb. 22, 2009
ffdonnie
Men's 50
90 posts
Yes. We already play by these rules. It works, its the only way we can compete with M+ teams
Feb. 22, 2009
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Hey Donnie,
What do you mean works?
What do your teammates have to say?
Email me at joerinaldi56@yahoo.com
so we won't interrupt the thread.
Feb. 22, 2009
notretiredyet555
Men's 55
30 posts
NO!
Feb. 22, 2009
Jawood
Men's 50
784 posts
NO!!!
Feb. 22, 2009
WOW
197 posts
NO
Feb. 23, 2009
Proudtex40
57 posts
No
Feb. 23, 2009
Fastsam
Men's 50
54 posts
No!
Feb. 23, 2009
dj
32 posts
NO
Feb. 23, 2009
softball4b
Men's 60
706 posts
NO
Feb. 23, 2009
curt
Men's 50
11 posts
Yes
Feb. 23, 2009
Robo2
214 posts
NO
Feb. 23, 2009
Tate22
Men's 55
259 posts
NO !
Feb. 23, 2009
TOMAR77
Men's 55
188 posts
NO!
Feb. 23, 2009
Omar Khayyam
958 posts
No, because I don't want to see a home run turned into an out. But I am one of those who has played league softball every year for 56 years and NEVER hit one out. Now I have several times with the Miken! I am opposed to the lively ball/hot bat combo. Lessens my enjoyment because of negative impact on defense, strategy, etc. I don't need the ego boost that some do and can live without the technology-enhanced home run, but I think there are better solutions than to make a home run an out for any reason.
Feb. 23, 2009
Joncon
285 posts
NO


Classification should not use HR's as it's only criteria.

Limit them to singles if you want to but don't punish me for making good contact once in a while.

When the HR's are outs, many player try to go oposite which puts the pitcher at a higher risk.

Let them pull the ball over the fence for a long single......them make them go get it.


Hey....there's a good idea. Make the player who hit it, get it....immeadiately. Make them walk straight off the field and chase the damn thing. That might help :)
Feb. 23, 2009
Wes
Men's 65
306 posts
No
Feb. 23, 2009
firebird380hp
Men's 50
81 posts
no
Feb. 23, 2009
Mr. Manassas
223 posts
Yes....I am a pitcher and it seems that it is the only way to encourage teams to move up.
Feb. 23, 2009
j nut
Men's 50
4 posts
yes
Feb. 23, 2009
marklawr
Men's 55
7 posts
No...bad rule for the pitchers. 80% of the time, I go 5-6 hole....I'm 6'4", 230 lbs. and now and then hit a few HR's. After the limit, I'll try to hit it down and go opposite filed. Since I generally only have 6-8 swings a week.... I'm not too good at it. This weekend, went opposite field twice...once successfully...the other time it went at the pitcher....good thing I missed it for an out.
Mark OLR Nighthawks #27
Feb. 24, 2009
Rip
20 posts
No
Feb. 24, 2009
zonk
55 posts
No.
Feb. 24, 2009
batter4u
Men's 65
73 posts
NO, hate to think that after all the work I do to hit the ball hard, if I accidently hit it over the fence at the wrong time, it goes aginst me.
Feb. 24, 2009
Husky71
Men's 50
25 posts
So... over 75% of us here don't want this new rule making hrs over an arbitrary limit a DBO.... Are you listening SSUSA??
Feb. 24, 2009
TGIII
Men's 60
89 posts
Yes....Of the 75% that responded in objection to the new HR rule, what is the demographics? I'm a 55 AAA player and I like the rule. Responses should include the age group and division you play in. Let's see if we have a good cross section of responses. Or... are the responses heavily weighted to one age group or division?
Feb. 24, 2009
geezer#6
Men's 70
58 posts
Do you seriously believe the board is going to listen to your/our thoughts and wants on this subject and make changes? I am very doubleful, they make the rules and we must live with them or, you decide !
Feb. 24, 2009
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
They'd better listen or risk serious injury
to their relationship to senior softball.
The only thing more praiseworthy
than changing to make things better
is to change them back
when you realize you made a mistake.
That's what people who show they care
and have character are capable of doing.
A chance for SSUSA to define who they are
and want to be to us, the senior softball community
now and into the future.

Feb. 24, 2009
Mr. Manassas
223 posts
I am 55 major/major plus and it seems to be the only answer to get teams to play up. I am a pitcher and can see the safety aspects of letting teams swing away. But the equipment has made it too easy for some people to hit bombs...I don't see an easy answer to this question.
Feb. 24, 2009
Husky71
Men's 50
25 posts
I am 50 major if that helps...
Feb. 24, 2009
WOW
197 posts
JamesLG
Great idea getting this thread started. Lets see if SSUSA will get it. If we keep this going, maybe they will. Keep the replies coming..............
Feb. 24, 2009
db14
90 posts
ONE MORE EMPHATIC.......NO!
Feb. 24, 2009
CRUSADERVB
Men's 65
272 posts
NO
Feb. 24, 2009
mad dog
Men's 60
3921 posts
ok i have a 3-part answer to this
yes for the 2 lower divs.
maybe to the major div not sure what thier limit should be
no in the major+ div,they should be unlimited.

for all you who have said that we never had to do this before(hrs over the fence an out)are lieing,sorry to be blunt about this,but if you have ever played ball before senior and didn't play above A ball,there always has been a limit on hrs in every div of softball A thru E.so i think we should learn to live with the rules put forth
Feb. 24, 2009
QC Softball
Men's 55
19 posts
I'm a 55 major plus and still say YES
Feb. 24, 2009
PJ3P
Men's 50
64 posts
NO
Feb. 24, 2009
JamesLG
295 posts

I am 55 and play AAA and I am not a big HR hitter. I just very strongly believe if you do everything right as a batter it should not be an out for your team. I also believe winning a game on a DBO is a not what competition is all about.

Thanks:
James
Feb. 25, 2009
#19
Men's 60
252 posts
Yes...particularly in the lower divisions... there has to be some deterrent to keep teams honest about their rating... hopefully, with a safer ball, this problem will become moot.
Feb. 25, 2009
Jimmy#7
12 posts
Yes-If I play 55AAA--BUT I'm playing 50Major this year SO-NO-NO OUT SINGLE PLEASE
Feb. 25, 2009
chollis
79 posts
No

It looks like we have another curt on the board. I am Curt Hollis.
Feb. 25, 2009
Boog34
Men's 50
21 posts
No!!!
Feb. 27, 2009
spoonplugger
Men's 60
56 posts
NOOOOO!!!
Feb. 27, 2009
JamesLG
295 posts
Well folks:

It looks like this thread has about run its coarse. It is not hard to tell what the majority believes. I respect the attempt to equalize the field by making new rules but it seems to me like the Win/Loss record is more of a tale of the tape. If a team sandbags just pull the trigger and move them up. Case Closed.
Thank You:
James
Feb. 27, 2009
Imjonez
Men's 55
1 posts
NO!!!!
Feb. 28, 2009
dix47
12 posts
NO!
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