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Discussion: HR'S

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Feb. 23, 2009
LP
282 posts
HR'S
to all responses, the 1 up rule for AAA divisions and then a singles was the most fair and simplest way to play the game , all that is going on now it seems is how can the game be made more complex to mess with everyones mind. and belive me us seniors need things as simple as possible.
Feb. 23, 2009
shortly50
Men's 50
41 posts
It's always worked when I've played with it. Teams that can't hit home runs make teams that can keep it in the park, but if that team hits the ball hard your infield better be able to play defence
Feb. 23, 2009
LP
282 posts
good question shortly50 defense aint the problem its going up against gorillas and the 1 up rule evens the playing field some what.
Feb. 24, 2009
#19
Men's 60
252 posts
LP... the one-up rule seems to be a decent compromise between overly-restrictive home-run rules and unlimited home-runs... we also need a decent compromise concerning bat/ball combinations... a combination that will alleviate the need for PPRs and DBOs.
Feb. 24, 2009
TGIII
Men's 60
90 posts
The homerun rule is a great way to balance out the league. If you are a home run hitter, I'm sure there are a lot of Major and Major+ teams that would like to add you to their roster. My 55+ AAA team has been victimized by the new rules. We lost a tournament in Palm Springs to a DBO homerun in the last inning. But in looking at the big picture, players should play at the level they are capable of. If you are a homerun hitter and want to hit homeruns, than join the Major and Major+ divisions. There are plenty of teams to go around. The new rule now places an added strategy in the game. Save your homeruns until the last inning or run the risk of ending the game with a DBO homerun. I'm impressed with the calibur of players playing senior softball and their uncanny ability to place their hits where they want to, when they want to. This rule does not mean it is open season on pitchers, but actually puts the whole field into play, not just the homerun fence. IMO this rule makes it competitive in the AAA division.
Feb. 24, 2009
thebull
Men's 50
59 posts
I also agree that the 1+1 up was the fairest way to handle HR's for the AAA division. Most of the responses tring to limit HR's come from players who can't hit HR's and seem imtimitated by those who can. In my opinion a Player should never be punished for hitting it over the fence..EVER. I train my off season for the HR and practice my swing for the HR and in a game it's my goal to hit the ball as hard as I can and if it goes it goes. Now we've got a bunch of pencil-necks making HR rules to shape the game to their hitting ability and style. I don't have the option of joining a Majors Team because my area can't field one, we struggle tring to field a competive AAA team. We just don't have a large enough player base to choose from, so there is a wide range of players ability on our team. We can have no HR's in a game and have 8 in the next and the 3 HR rule kills us. I for one will not give up hitting HRs and learn to hit opposite field or up the middle. I'm sure many will say that's my problem but I dare you to pitch me a little BP while I practice my up the middle shot. You won't like it. I'd rather quit the game than intentionally hit at the pitcher. Lets go back to the 1+1, it keep the game exciting,simple and fair. The 1+1 did not slow the game and did not force HR hitters to hit up the middle. The only reason I can see for the new HR rules is to force some AAA teams or individual players up to the Majors because SSUSA needs more Majors teams. Just because a team like mine has 3 or 4 players that can hit the HR it doesn't mean that the team as a group is a Majors team, we are not. The decision to move a team up should be determined by their preformance at Tournaments. Who wants to travel, spend alot of money so we can hit over the fence for outs. To respond directly to TGlll: joining a Major team is not an option, why should I have to quit my team and play for a team a 1000 miles away? How did the HR rule make the game more fair, a HR for a single is the same as a opposite field base hit for a single and as to strategy.. whats wrong with the strategy of going to the plate and just hitting the ball hard. This is softball not billards.
Feb. 24, 2009
mad dog
Men's 60
3932 posts
bull, wrong on the oppo field hit as the same as the over the fence single.the oppo hit you have to run to get to 1b and use up some energy,with the OTF hit you walk to first and use little energy.i for one am not a pencil neck and do still have the pop to hit it out.i like the 3 hrs and out after that for AAA.it keeps the true AAA teams competetive with the ones who want to just bang the ball over the fence for thier singles.this way makes the big boys actually have to play instead of looking for an easy hit by going out of the park.hey i also don't believe in the CR,i think if u can run to first u should have to run for yourself.like a few have said above if all you want to do is hit hrs,then move up or you need to adapt to the level you do play,i have.
Feb. 24, 2009
JamesLG
300 posts

I see a lot of good points here and Bull you hit many on the nose in my book. I was fortunate enough to play in quite a few amature golf tourneys over the years and I never saw one guy who could hit his driver consistantly over 300 yards ever told to quit doing so because it was not fair for the other guys in his handicap bracket. Isn't winning and losing about what the score is at the end of the game? I probably got a bit of little mans syndrome in me but it seems like the thing to do is blame the big guy who can hit the ball out of the park. If SSUSA sees a team that is doninating a devision like AAA they should move them up without hesitation. If the team averages 1 HR per game and still dominates they are moved up. The HR gets far too much attention just leave it as it was and let the win/loss records be the tale of the tape.
Thanks:
James
Feb. 25, 2009
TGIII
Men's 60
90 posts
Hey Bull....I understand the interest in playing with your friends rather than travel 1000 miles to a tournament. The 3 homerun rule works well if a AAA team has only one or two home run hitters. Many teams will not pitch to a HR hitter more than once if they are consistently banging them out . The rub comes from AAA teams that have 7 or 8 homerun hitters. If you have a team that can hit 8+ homeruns in a game, you should be a major or major+ team. The AA division has 1 homerun and an out after that. The AA division is a very competitive division and is not filled with HR hitters. The AAA division is much the same as the AA division in that the homerun hitters are given a shot to hit 3 homeruns in a game. The only difference is that with the old rule, the hitter was credited with a single or the 1 + 1 rule. I have seen some AAA teams walkaway with 10+ homerun in a game. The key in my opinion is balance throughout all divisions. Every division should be defined by certain perameters. If you are a homerun hitting team, play in the Major and Major+ divisions. If you are primarily a singles hitting team than the AAA or AA division is right for you. If your team has one or two homerun hitters, you are in the right division and good luck in the season. Bull...good luck to you and your teammates from New Mexico. Have a great season.

Hey JamesLG.....unfortunately many of the big homerun hitting teams really don't surface until September just in time to qualify for the Worlds in October.

Kevin

Feb. 25, 2009
thebull
Men's 50
59 posts
There are a lot of things to consider and I couldn't possibly address all in detail but I did want to express my opinion which differs from many. In the comparison between a HR for a single and a opposite field I realize I oversimplified, when playing 1+1, no HRs left an OTF for a single many times can be an advantage for the defense. Sure the OTF is an safe single but you give up the extra bases and lets face it there are very few, percentage wise, batters that can take it out at will and I am certainly not one of them. To really understand my objection to a HR for an out you need to understand my hitting style, when I hit I try to select a pitch I can hit, time my swing and make good contact. Thatís it. The harder I try to hit a HR the less likely I am to do so, I just hit it hard and take what I get which in most cases is a line drive for a base hit. When in a ( HR for a out) situation especially in a key situation and I try to alter my swing Iím much more likely to pop up or drive it hard right back at the pitcher and I prefer to avoid both. Sometimes when you hit the ball hard, no matter how hard youíre trying to hit a line drive the ball will go out, I believe the 1+1 rule gives the hitter the freedom to hit away without being penalized and still achieves the level of fairness needed for the AAA Division.
Sure there will be times when you play a team that pounds away at the ball ( Iíve played against several) but if they do it with any constancy they will move up quickly. The Home Run is a special part of the game, they can come at any time, from almost anyone and are an exciting part of the game .. they should be kept. Last year we won several games with walk off home runs, and they didnít come from our HR hitters, they were hit by the most unlikely batters that only have a couple of HRís all year.
I know I probably wonít sway anyone from their current opinion, that isnít my intent, I only wanted to give a different perspective than most of what Iíve read. Most will base their position on how it affects themselves and their team, which is natural. Hereís a worst case scenario:
Your team has spent thousands on airfare, travel, food, entry fees and time off at work. Your in a key game on Sunday, your 3 HRís are gone and someone hits one OTF for an out. Costs you the game and sends you home disgusted, maybe then youíll re-consider the new rules.
Looking forward to seeing familar faces. Thanks
thebull
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