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Discussion: Seniors and Home Runs (2)

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March 2, 2009
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Seniors and Home Runs (2)
(continued from previous discussion)

Dirty makes no sense Robert.
It's not what he does and
not what he's trying to do.
He's playing us.
All of us, all the time
out of boredom and disdain.

1.2 bats are the norm.
Ultra 2s and Combats and Super Freaks
are the norm.
A good bat/ball combo has always been
fundamental to enjoy the game we play
in any era and time.

SSUSA CAN change it's mind any time it wants
and endangering the health of many
pitcher/infleld seniors ball players
which is what is at stake this year
better be a good enough reason to do it.

You want to say now their decision
can't be undone?
Why because they already decided?
That's hysterical and preposterous.
Their history is one of selective
and ad hoc judgments
and all of a sudden
now what's been done can't be undone?
C'mon man.

When they've been shown
as they ALREADY have that both
the PPR and HRs as DBO are both hugely unpopular
and will ENDANGER the health of senior ball players
they will have the responsibility
and capability to undo
their decree or be held accountable
by the senior softball community.

There're petitions being drawn up now
to submit to their offices and it shouldn't even
have to come to this
that will speak directly to both these issues.

SSUSA?
Do the right thing.
March 3, 2009
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
"einstein", so you are saying there are not "special" bats that only seniors can use? You are saying that anything we can use so can the guys under 50?

Those might be the norm for us, but NOT for anyone else.
March 3, 2009
taits
Men's 65
4365 posts
Gary,
Get your head out of the dirt and read what has been posted by many others on here.
These so called "special" bats only you refer to as, are not "special", they are what is allowed by that particular assn for all playing in at that time with that particular bat. They are allowed.
You must be saying you have not ever used one of these "special" bats. I doubt that.
Players under 50 have the same restrictions on them as what I refer to as the "real", seniors do.
Take Shaker Heights, OH to a new level, start your own assn...

March 3, 2009
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
They can only be used by seniors. Hence, and quite obviously, special. Are you trying to deny there are models of bats that only seniors can use?
March 3, 2009
softball4b
Men's 60
744 posts
Dirty you are so thick it is ridicules. Every association has an approved bat list. It is a marketing tool, maybe some are hotter than others so what. If I play Utrip i use a Utrip bat, if I play ASA I use an ASA approved bat. I play seniors and I use an approved Senior Bat. Just please take your diatribe and go home. You don't play in this association and have no valuable insight or input other than to see you name in print.
March 3, 2009
taits
Men's 65
4365 posts
Only stated a fact that all associations have at bat list for bats allowed or not, by what ever age\gender. Nothing special, just legal.

March 3, 2009
taits
Men's 65
4365 posts
In a round about way he's also saying he has not ever used one of these bats. But I'd bet he does.
March 3, 2009
salio2k
Men's 60
548 posts
I've been telling Dirty, for the last two years, that 1.20 bats are allowed where I play in California. No age restrictions. Most of the players are under 30. They do not allow the Ultra, but do allow Combats,UTRIP, NSA, and ASA. Yes,I do mean the Gray, Red and White w/yellow combats.
March 3, 2009
softball4b
Men's 60
744 posts
I have no idea whether he does or does not, but too constantly rail against an establishment that he does not support nor participate in, is just a waste of our time and energy. We could ignore him, but as a MAN I find it hard to continually listen to or read diatribe without repsonding.
March 3, 2009
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
I never said that in a roundabout or any other way. Yes I use them when they are legal. But I am not beholden to the almighty "bat/ball combo" that some on here hold so sacred. And I certainly never defended the use of special bats by seniors.

And, unlike many seniors, I have not refused to play where the special bats are not allowed. As long as both team have access to the same equipment, fine with me.

Again, in what associations are Ultra 2s or Macenko's Combat legal for under 50s?
March 3, 2009
salio2k
Men's 60
548 posts
Not an association, this is city league play. They also have open tournaments on week-ends.
March 3, 2009
SOFTBALLGRAMPS
Men's 55
98 posts
salio2k, where is this city league I can use my Combat MM ?
March 3, 2009
salio2k
Men's 60
548 posts
SOFTBALLGRAMPS......Glendale has an unlimited arc league and North Hollywood has an open league where you can use even and Ultra 2. There is also a league that plays El Cariso park in San Fernado that allows combats.
March 3, 2009
taits
Men's 65
4365 posts
Maybe you should ask TH, he has at least 1 team in 40's+ age bracket. Call them, here is the number:
(916) 326-5303

Teams may not have same bats but if they were allowed and thy chose not to, who you going to blame.
Haven't heard of any place where they limited equip to this team or that team, get real.
March 3, 2009
softball4b
Men's 60
744 posts
16 inch league in laguna Beach will let you use anything you can drag up to the plate.
March 3, 2009
taits
Men's 65
4365 posts
SBGramps, Fresno, thurs nights is one....
A long a$$ drive for you.
March 3, 2009
diehard
Men's 55
245 posts
Hey Dirty,

These so called "secial bats" that you refer to all of the time are not the only thing that is unique only to Senior softball. You can not play Senior ball if you are under 50. WE call those players "special players".
March 3, 2009
SOFTBALLGRAMPS
Men's 55
98 posts
And I thought driving out to Huntington Beach was far
March 3, 2009
AlleninGa
Men's 60
113 posts
"Special Players", I like that and it's true. The majority of players that play into their senior years don't waste their time finding fault with the game. They appreciate the game and everything it has to offer. I "Salute" all of the "Special" players.
March 3, 2009
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
The flaw in that "logic" is that special players are allowed to be found on an under-50 field, special bats are not.
March 3, 2009
diehard
Men's 55
245 posts
And to think that you have a Masters. I didn't say over 50 players couldn't play in the lower age groups at all. But the under 50's can't play in Senior Ball and they can't use Senior bats. Look up the word unique. I'll try typing slower for you next time.
March 3, 2009
WOW
197 posts
Dirty, whats your Masters in. It certainly can't be Human Relations..............
March 3, 2009
AlleninGa
Men's 60
113 posts
I don't know about the Masters.....But he's definitely got the B.S.
March 4, 2009
Boppo
15 posts
Just my two cents. Haven't moved up to Senior ball yet- though I am eligible. U2 was banned by every association in the USA because the bat is dangerous. That is the bottom line. If it is dangerous for 25 year olds- why isn't it dangerous for 55 year olds? I actually look forward to SR Ball - so I can use the U2 and be able to hit HR's again!
March 4, 2009
Mr. Manassas
227 posts
Stop beating around the bush...Protect the pitcher....use a screen, tree, wall, The "kill the pitcher, then your out rule' is nuts....just a thought not a sermon.
March 4, 2009
AlleninGa
Men's 60
113 posts
Hey Mark, How have you been? The U2 is definitely too hot for 25 year olds plus the bat is so fragile...they would be breaking them constantly. "Most" players over 50 aren't going to hit the ball as hard as 25 or even 40 year olds. The extra "pop" of senior bats affords the "senior" players the opportunity to relive the "feeling" of driving the ball hard. The U2 is the most controversial of all of the Senior bats and will continue to be so....It is also the most popular. Lots of seniors use it and don't hit HR's. Also, lots of HR's are hit with bats other than U2's, there are some really good senior hitters. I love to hit with senior bats and welcome the increased intensity to the senior game that it brings, but I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of a 25 or even 40 year old using it. You will love 50+ softball......get the bat...but wait for 60 degrees befor you use it.

Our league starts March 10th and we have a tournament in Montgomery the weekend of the 14th... I can't wait.
March 4, 2009
Boppo
15 posts
Allen- I get your point and didn't think of that. The U2 is such a hot bat- someone snuck it into the church league playoffs a few years ago and the 13 seeded team hit 7 HRs! They ended up forfeiting. I agree certain Seniors do not need U2s to hit HR's - they are hitting them in the non-Senior leagues I play in. In Jersey- we only have the ASA senior association- which bans U2. We don't start until April 13- can't wait. How was spring training? I think there was a thread- but it got removed before I could read it!
March 4, 2009
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Boppo, it is used by seniors due to a distinct lack of pride among middle age men. They feel the need to take credit for what someone else's R & D allows them to now do.
March 4, 2009
DesertDave
Men's 60
74 posts
Boppo, it is alot like the person who posts critically and anonymously on the Internet that R&D created
March 4, 2009
Mr. Manassas
227 posts
Dirty, Do you have your own R&D? In most athletic endeavors the players want a level playing field. If people are using the senior bats then their opponents will want to use them. Same for the balls. Don't think pride has anything to do with it.
March 4, 2009
hitt2
354 posts
Boppo
Welcome to senior ball enjoy the game the bats the balls. Remember one thing.
If it came from DIRTY most of us 85%on this board disagreed with it, because he spews his garbage about the rules, the bats ect. on us because he couldn't cut it because of his bad attitude with the tourney team he tried out for. He now he whines about everything involved with the senior game.
Also be careful he loves to bait you to bash you.
March 4, 2009
AlleninGa
Men's 60
113 posts
Mark, the CST was great. A lot of dedicated ball players both young and older (even a couple in their 70's). I really respect those guys. No whinners in the crowd......You'll have to humor Dirty; he's a "tick turd" caught in a time warp:-)......although, he can be amusing if you don't take him seriously.....You have to realize that he's bitter because he can't compete at the tournament level no matter how good the equipment is.....he's scared of the competition and feels comfortable hiding in rec ball (plus the tournament teams cut him because of attitude and lack of prduction)...Now you can sit back and muse at his pompous posts:-)

By the way, does the ASA senior assoc. in your area allow any senior bats? At any rate...if you get to play where the senior bats are allowed....use them and draw your own conclusions.....Also, senior tournaments are every bit as much fun as when we played in the early days. I hope you are able to play in some. This website is a good place to let teams know you want to play. Good luck this season.
March 4, 2009
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Dave, who is anonymous? Not only has my name been posted on here, but your friends have posted the street I live on. No one is more public on here than me.

Mr. Manassas, I sort of agree. I use an Ultra 2 because I can, and because everyone else is. But I certainly don't come on here and defend its use, and I don't come on here and threaten to take my bat and ball and go home if I am not allowed to use the right bat/ball combo as others have.

But yea, lack of pride has a lot to do with it. Most of the guys who talk about the bats don't do it with any mention of competition, but almost always in regards to how hard and far they can hit the ball through better technology (alright, they rarely admit that last part).

hitt, since the last loser avoided it maybe you will have a pair. Please describe the "bad attitude", and give specific examples please. Now let's see how long it takes you to totally deflect from addressing this.

Allen, "scared" of what? My God, it is friggin SLOW pitch. Don't flatter yourself. And for you too, please describe in detail the attitude issues.
March 4, 2009
Boppo
15 posts
Thanks for the advice on Dirty. I deal with dozens of "Dirtys" on my local softball smackboard. They find a way to make every discussion-no matter how legit- turn into a smack fest. Once I posted looking for an instructor to work hitting clinic for a local charity- and you should have seen the garbage spewed. Re the NJ Senior ASA- they maintain the same bat list for both senior ball and non-senior ball. And ASA now bans over 100 bats! That's why ASA is dying in NJ and elsewhere.

We went to ISA this year. We play with a 3 HR rule- progressive after that - 300' fences. That seems to work. At 52- I am only the third oldest on my team- since senior ball hasn't really caught on yet in NJ. (Probably too cold!)
March 4, 2009
Boppo
15 posts
Just to clarify earlier note - Senior Ball hasn't caught on in NJ- that's why us 50+ guys are still playing with the 25 year olds. I was pitching- until I fractured my foot last fall kick saving a line drive up the middle (good thing it wasn't a U2)-this season I am going back out to left field.
March 4, 2009
AlleninGa
Men's 60
113 posts
That settles it Mark, you need to move down South......Hey Dirty, are we getting to you............good:-)...I think I'm beginning to like you.....oh crap!!:-)
March 4, 2009
Boppo
15 posts
Just to clarify earlier note - Senior Ball hasn't caught on in NJ- that's why us 50+ guys are still playing with the 25 year olds. I was pitching- until I fractured my foot last fall kick saving a line drive up the middle (good thing it wasn't a U2)-this season I am going back out to left field.
March 4, 2009
Lecak
Men's 55
1007 posts
Boppo New Jersey has a very viable 50 leagues program, Middlesex, Ocean, Monmouth. I know a number of players in the Ocean league and I believe if you google New Jersey senior softball you'll get some good info. Also I believe there is some info at the top of this page under the regions tabs. From the friends I stay in touch with the level of ball is quite competitive with a lot of traveling tournament players on teams.
March 5, 2009
Boppo
15 posts
Lecak -thanks for the info. I am aware of the NJ Association- it's ASA and has the 100 banned bats. Locally- there is a 6 team league but they play on Wednesday nights - which conflicts with worship. The other local league plays on Sundays- same problem. But I am going to contact some of the Directors and find out about tourneys. Thanks!
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