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| April 4, 2009 stick8 1992 posts | OLD SPICE PRESENTS: YOU MAKE THE CALL A)Bases empty 0 or 1 out. Ground ball to any infielder. The batter runner beats the throw to first but skips over touching first base in doing so. What does the umpire call? B)Bases empty 0 or 1 out. Ground ball to short. He bobbles it to the ground, proceeds to pick it up and throw it into a dead ball area after the batter runner has touched first base. What is the base award to the batter runner? |
| April 4, 2009 Joncon 328 posts | Ahh...trick questions. SSUSA rules seem to follow ASA rules which would make runner A safe and runner B awarded third base. |
| April 4, 2009 DMac Men's 60 207 posts | A) Depends on what league or association you are playing in. In some it is an appeal play; it others it is not. B) On the first throw by an infielder, the runner is awarded two bases from the base he was on when the ball was pitched. Since he was the batter, he would end up on second. The only way he could end up on third is if he had passed first base before the shortstop threw the ball. |
| April 4, 2009 Joncon 328 posts | """ The only way he could end up on third is if he had passed first base before the shortstop threw the ball""" He did "....proceeds to pick it up and throw it into a dead ball area after the batter runner has touched first base""" The only out of play/dead ball conditions I am aware of relate to the time of the throw and the time of the hit, not the time of the pitch.....although, the baserunners position at time of the pitch and the time of the hit are the same thing so why am I even addressing this??? Probably because I am bored on a Sat when there is a local senior tournament and our team couldn't even pull together ten freaking players. |
| April 4, 2009 GT Men's 60 162 posts | I have read the SSUSA 2009 rule book about A. Page 56, 8.3(1). Not an appeal play. Runner is out. If there has been a change, please let me know. Haven't read ASA rule book, so don't know what their call is. Anyone else know about this call? GT Houston |
| April 6, 2009 stick8 1992 posts | GT, in scenario A (USSSA rules) the umpire makes a verbal safe call but if the first baseman turns around and tags the batter runner he's out. Umpires MUST make a verbal call one way or the other. In scenario B (USSSA rules) the batter runner would be awarded 3rd base since he was past first base at the time of the throw. In the scenario I described the bobbling of the ball is considered making an attempt and the subsequent picking up of the ball is another attempt--thus time of the throw. If the SS (or any other infielder) makes a clean play but throws it away it's two bases from the time of the pitch. |
| April 7, 2009 doker Men's 60 185 posts | A-----IF RUNNER RUNS TO FIRST AND DOES NOT TOUCH FIRST AND 1ST BASEMAN APPEALS THIS TO UMPIRE BEFORE TIME IS CALLED AND BEFORE THE RUNNER RETURNS BACK TO 1ST BASE HE IS OUT....1ST BASEMAN JUST HAS TO APPEAL VERBALLY BEFORE THE RUNNER RETURNS......B-----1ST THROW FROM THE ___INFIELD ON A BATTED BALL IS ALWAYS TWO BASES FROM THE POSITION OF RUNNERS AT THE TIME OF THE PITCH. ABOUT A---- AGAIN THIS YEAR ...IN SSUSA...IF YOU FAIL TO TOUCH THE ORANGE BAG WHEN A PLAY IS BEING MADE ON YOU THE UMPIRE CAN CALL YOU OUT...NO APPEAL NECESSARY |
| April 7, 2009 softball4b Men's 70 1248 posts | I started to right my answer and then realized, what the heck. I sent it to my umpire group, I will have 20 answers before the end of the day, hopefully not 20 different answers. |
| April 7, 2009 softball4b Men's 70 1248 posts | I know I wrote right instead of write, since it was an umpire question I thought a little humor would apply. |
| April 7, 2009 softball4b Men's 70 1248 posts | A) Safe until an appeal is made because the runner beat the throw to first base. (Just discussed this exact scinerio on Sunday at our local umpire clinic). B) Batter is awarded second base as it is the first throw of the play, which means the batter gets 2 bases from the time of the pitch. C) Awards runner 2B. Hopefully he will touch 1B before going to 2B otherwise he's liable to be out on appeal. And if he goes to 2B without touching 1B, he can no longer go back to touch it legally since it is a dead ball. |
| April 7, 2009 Joncon 328 posts | """"B) Batter is awarded second base as it is the first throw of the play, which means the batter gets 2 bases from the time of the pitch"""" By this logic, a batter could hit the ball deep to the outfield and have his in the park HR nullified with him being sent back to 2B if the outfielder threw the ball out of play trying to get him at home. In this case it's the time of the throw, not time of the hit. Runner had posession of 1B at the time of the throw (not a very observant feilder :) ) |
| April 7, 2009 softball4b Men's 70 1248 posts | B)The runner gets 3rd base if it is determined he had already obtained 1b. Sorry I did not make that clear. |
| April 7, 2009 stick8 1992 posts | Joncon your logic is right but if an outfielder is attempting to throw a batter runner out at home from scoring on an inside the park hr their is a 100% chance of that batter runner already being around third at the time of the throw from the outfield. |
| April 8, 2009 doker Men's 60 185 posts | IF THE RUNNER ROUNDED 1ST AND THE FIELDER TRIES TO THROW HIM OUT GOING BACK TO FIRST THEN 3RD BASE AWARD IS THE ANSWER...BUT IF THE THROW WAS AN INTENTION OF GETTING THE RUNNER ON THE BATTED BALL THEN THE AWARD REVERSES BACK TO THE POSITION OF RUNNER AT THE TIME OF THE PITCH.....A THROW FROM THE OUTFIELD IS ALWAYS TWO BASES FROM THE POSITION OF THE RUNNER AT THE TIME THE BALL GOES OUT OF PLAY...HOPEFULLY THE UMP WAS PAYING ATTENTION!!!! |
| April 8, 2009 Garocket Men's 55 259 posts | Listen guys there are easier ways to remember these rules. 1 Overthrows are always 2 basses from last base touched at time of throw (i.e runner hits ball to shortstop , he throws it into the stands runner gets 2nd baseif for some dumb reason the shortstop lets its go agter the runner touches frst he would be awarded 3rd base 2 Any base that a runner passes he has assumed to have touched unless appealed |
| April 8, 2009 stick8 1992 posts | Doker, from your mouth to God's ears!! "HOPEFULLY THE UMP WAS PAYING ATTENTION" |
