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Discussion: lets move up good defenses

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April 18, 2009
jrhunch
92 posts
lets move up good defenses
since we make good hitting teams move up lets move up good defensive teams.its crazy penalizing hrs.just because you can hit hrs doesnt mean you are a major player.teams should be moved up based on winning and not hrs.do we have so many senior players that we can revamp our roster to suit our playing rank?i know in my area we dont.we havent had a new player on our team in 5 years.hearing that hrs rules require teams to have to play defense like we use to do when we were young is untrue.i did not play in 1 aaa tourney game where the winning team didnt score at least 15 runs and that was with the run restrictions.the year before in major 20 runs was a minimum win.the best way to rank teams is by wins only.we already have too many restrictions now why do we need more.no one tells the player that makes diving catches to quit diving.nobody tells the guys that can run like deer to quit taking the extra base.why should hitting be so different.there should only be 2 divisions.if you want to travel and play thats your choice.when we were younger only the good teams travelled now everyone thinks they should have a chance to win which is against the purity of sports which is to be the best you have to play and beat the best.everyone wants that chance to win but it is improbable.today they have d and e teams in the young guys tournies. this is where all the teams are.we are catering to the bottom teams instead of the top teams.the fact is this problem with softball today was the result of the hr rule put in during the 80's.it has ruined softball for todays young players they will never have the pleasure that we had in our youth.all i am saying is restrictions and complaints are getting out of hand.lets play the game ,the game we have played out of love all these years.back to basics hitting and hopefully defense and less complaining.no more calling up td and complaining about teams you never even seen play.we need to take our game back.we should have more say.would you play golf if you could not use your driver?stay safe and keep hitting #11 pace
April 19, 2009
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
I use a 3 wood.
April 19, 2009
jim16
Men's 65
169 posts
JR, I agree with most of what you are saying. The game of softball is on a decline mostly because of classification and over the fence being an out. There are major cities in this country where the best players from 100 miles around are on the same team and play class "D". Many states have one class "C" team and no one higher.
We make the same mistales in the senior game. We work hard all of our life to be able to hit one out of the park and then to be told its an out. We have players who brag to family and coworkers about their ability to play and swear to the associations that they are "AA" teams. Its a tremendous experience to play golf with Tiger Woods and only the best get a chance to play against him, they know they cant beat him but to just be in the game is a lifetime experience. In tennis its great to finally become a 64 seed and have to play against the number one seed. To advance means that sometime, somewhere you may win and move up to #63. Can you imagine a number 64 seed filing a complaint that the number one seed just hits the serve too hard and that it isnt fair.
I can hear the argument that handicaps improve the game but can you imagine a 30 handicapper brag that he is a world champion and tell his co workers that he is an All American.
To compete is the reason we should be playing. To improve is why we practice. Major players practice, AA players talk.
Defense is just as important as offense and major teams play better defense too. AA players talk about defense but they really arent better defensively. Its not just the HR that wins games. SS-USA takes defense into consideration when classifying and so does SPA.
Yes, we have too many classes, 2 would be ideal and 3 workable, 4 is just simply wrong.
April 19, 2009
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Moving up should be based on winning, not good offense or good defense. The only statisitic that matters is the final score.
April 19, 2009
FOFO
Men's 50
170 posts
I'm somewhat new to Senior Softball,but I didn't realize they moved teams up for any reason other than winning, which would be a product of good hitting and good defense. I have a hard time believing teams get mmoved up for hitting home runs.

April 20, 2009
Al33
Men's 55
183 posts
FOFO, Believe it. We won a tournament last year and before the ink was dry, it had gotten all over the country that we hit too many home runs. We had two games where we hit more than three because the wind was blowing out. In fact in the finals the other team we beat hit more than we did. We hit none. We got moved up in this organization first and we didn't even play any SSUSA tournaments. You'll find out real fast that if a team hits what some believe to be too many home runs, everyone will be crying that they don't belong, they're sand baggers, they should be playing in a higher division, etc, etc...
April 20, 2009
4Four4
Men's 60
82 posts
jr - they DO move teams up for "D". We're up and we don't hit it over the outfielders - we just win - once in a while.
Good Luck in VA - our money's on you guys.
#4 - DH
The Tub
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