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Discussion: Screen Vice PPR

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May 27, 2009
Rod Sweet
Men's 70
53 posts
Screen Vice PPR
The following is a brief summary of my interpretion of the comments received related to the thread "Ref. to the Thread" (First Taste Of PPR Was Bitter)

Let's say we have two groups age 40-60 Hot Heads and the 65-85 the Survivor's. Do not take offience to the name Hot Heads it was selected base on some of the comments received.

While reading the posts related to the screen and the PPR, those not in favor of the screen were the Hot Heads, while the Survivor's are happy they can play ball and have either used the screen or are willing to try using it.

Some stated if a screen is used (what if this, what if that) the what if's are details and any time you make changes you have details and their are those folks that resolve details.

What we are trying to do here is to play ball and not have a pitcher get hurt, by using the screen this allows the pitcher a feeling of being safe while doing his thing.

It could be that the screen would only be used in the Survivor's group and the other group can do their thing.

May 27, 2009
Wes
Men's 65
311 posts
Let's vote or take a pole as some want to call it. For the "Hot Heads" let's
all assume for just a moment in time we are going to have a screen. The following rules would apply.
Vote YES or NO

The TD will supply for each game a pitchers screen. I do not think it would be good for each team to bring there own, just like TD provides the balls
1. The screen will be 30" wide-from outside of fram to outside of fram.
2. The screen will be 60" high. From ground to top of fram. This will allow the pitcher to look over the top and duck behind. If we think the pitcher is
to slow to duck behind then we make it 72" high.
3. The fram will be made from lite gages,aluminum or PVC. We want the fram to bend in half but not brake if someone falls into it. Which means the TD should have a back-up.
4 The screen material shall be white or black and not be more than a 2" square
opening in the mesh.
5. The bottom edge of the fram shall be
6"+/- from the ground. This will allow for an uneven playing field.
6. The legs shall be of the same material as the fram. There shall be 4 legs and they shall be perpendicular to the main body of the fram. Each leg shall be 12"+/- long. There shall be a PVC end caps on the end of each leg.
7. At the begaining of each inning each pitcher, for each team, shall place the screen in any position that he or she chooses in a 36" x 36" zone in front of the pitching rubber. If the pitcher does not want to use the srceen they can place it perpendicular to the rubber-it will still be on the field so we do not the "Hot Heads" saying I do not want to use it and take it off the field. The pitcher can place it at 45 degrees so that the ball will go to SS or 2nd base.
8. When the ball hits the screen,fram or
mesh it is still in play.
9. The batter must run to first base and all other runners may advance at there own risk.
10. The PPR rule is voide
May 27, 2009
Wes
Men's 65
311 posts
PS
frame
May 27, 2009
taits
Men's 65
4387 posts
Wes ? for you. So now you want SSUSA or some other assn to go into the screen business or what?
TD's having to provide screen will no doubt increase fees.
Pitch safe is 6 ft 4inches tall, 3ft 2inches wide, 20 lbs, another out there is 5.5 x 5.5 x 36 closed and opens to 5' 10" x 32" wide @ 15 lbs
Bad idea.
I would use one if there, or mandated, I would could also provide my own if I felt I had that need for that game. I have one, used 3 times in 3 years.
On the fence for a vote.

May 27, 2009
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
I'd vote for screens over shitty ballz
like the 275 x 52 that flopped in Elk Grove and Vegas
but I think a shot into the screen
simulating a shot at the pitcher
should be a strike with an extra one given
after 2 strikes.
I don't think our game
is more dangerous than regular softball
but if safety truly is a concern
and not just tactic
to go to a softer ball
by mercenaries posing as missionaries
than screens it should be.

May 28, 2009
Corky
Men's 55
446 posts
Since the rule does not PROTECT the pitcher but only (theoretically) "deters" hitting up the middle, head,shin, and chest protection should be worn by those who choose to do so.
May 29, 2009
salio2k
Men's 60
548 posts
Let's not forget about the durability of these screens. How long is the netting good for? Last year I was hitting with a screen and had a ball go through the screen as though it was not even there. I was lucky because the ball did not hit the 72 year old pitcher. This screen was weathered from being left outdoors. We now replace the screen every 6 months.
May 29, 2009
taits
Men's 65
4387 posts
Salio2k,
If you guys don't take the time to check the condition of at least the netting, it's on you. I'd be more concerned with one of Wes's pvc frames. I know of one mentioned above that has been used for about 7-8 years now & almost every 2 week ends that still is in great shape. I do BP with then.
May 30, 2009
stick8
1299 posts
My vote would be to get rid of the rule altogether. Last time I checked pitchers become fielders after they release the pitch.
May 31, 2009
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
stick8, you may be on to something here with your vote. Real easy question--How many want the PPR rule ?Either YES or NO. Yes, you want the PPR or No you don't want it. No ammends, just yes or no.Let's see how this turns out.My vote --NO.
May 31, 2009
Airbosn
Men's 65
321 posts
PPR = No, Pitching Screen = No. Below is a local senior league rule, " The pitching screen is MANDATORY. At least one-fourth of the pitcher's body must be behind the screen when the pitch is delivered (Umpire's Judgement), and he must step so that his body is completely protected by the screen as soon as the pitch is delieverd. Failure to comply with this rule will result in the Umpire calling an "illegal pitch (a ball) each occurance. If more than two such illegal pitches are thrown in the same inning, the team amanger will replace the pitcher". And now the end of the story. When the rule was enforced the pitcher's began to cry big time.
June 4, 2009
Omar Khayyam
999 posts
Wes, I've been using a screen during the week for 9 years (it's mandated). You need 78 inches in height. O.K. to have pitcher place it within a zone, but not on edge—too dangerous for ricochets, also difficult for third baseman. Legs can be aluminum—our screens have never been knocked over by a batted ball. Mesh needs to be checked regularly if screens are left out (most are portable, folded up, and stored in a shed or car trunk—screens last for years). Ball still in play is a bad idea as there are too many "bunts" when the ball hits the center and weakly bounces back toward the plate. Einstein has it right that a ball hitting the screen should be called a strike and not in play.

As to Stick8's concern, I get plenty of fielding. I put screen about 7 feet in front of me and to the side a bit. I only step behind it for heavy hitters. I go after all popups and most ground balls. You quickly get used to fielding around the screen.

Airbosn's examples of stringent rules were ridiculous. No wonder the pitchers screamed.
June 8, 2009
WOW
197 posts
Yes, on the use of a screen. What good is the PPR after the pitcher is injured or even killed!!!!! What purpose did it serve. If protecting the pitcher is of primary concern, which it should be, this rule is worthless.
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