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Discussion: ISSA ran the worst national tournament ever!

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Aug. 16, 2009
wagon487
Men's 50
516 posts
ISSA ran the worst national tournament ever!
Just got back from Manassas VA and it was a mess. Saturday they were running 4 hours behind. Evey day the rules changed. The umps were awful.
So much for RB and ISSA getting better.
Aug. 16, 2009
Swampy
24 posts
If that is you Wags, you failed to mention about the brackets not being updated and if we didn't look on the internet, we would not have known our first game on Saturday was at 10:30 instead of 11:45 as they told us on Friday before we left the park. They were behind over an hour after first game and had to call opponents to let them know game was changed. Very disappointed in a so-called national tournament!
Aug. 16, 2009
armiho211
Men's 70
407 posts
we stopped going to this tournament 3 years ago, bad balls, not enough teams in the 60's, and the expense (from dallas) flights, rooms,car rentals,food was just too much. but manassas is a beautiful area, a lot of history, great weather,etc.
Aug. 17, 2009
diehard
Men's 55
245 posts
Our team (High St. Bucs 55's ) played 55AAA this past weekend in Manassas. There were some delays for us, but nothing out of the norm. We had a great bracket,some very good teams.They use senior bats now in Manassas, along with Dudley Thunder Advance balls. There was a large turnout, and a team with some nationally known players, Jeff Hall, Rusty Baumgartner, to name a few. The nice hot weather, with plenty of sunshine,was also a plus. So, for us, it is my opinion that the ISSA took a huge step forward this past weekend!
Aug. 17, 2009
PlanoPlayer
Men's 55
70 posts
diehard: are you sure you saw Jeff Hall and Rusty. I do not think they are anywhere near 50. Could you elaborate?
Aug. 17, 2009
wagon487
Men's 50
516 posts
Diehard, two of the three sites used for this past weekend were 4 hours behind. We played one game on Saturday, should have been three.
You must of been one of the few lucky ones out there. One of the reasons, the 35 and over were playing (Jeff and Rusty to name a few) and they had no time limit. Every day we played with different rules, hr limit, runs an ining limit. It was a mess. And no one cared. RB's son was telling people if they didn't like it, they could leave. I heard him say that. They had to many teams, like i said, it was a mess.
Aug. 17, 2009
diehard
Men's 55
245 posts
PlanoPlayer,

This tournament had 35,40, 50, 55 and up age groups playing. And I not only saw Jeff Hall playing with Bass/CIA, but spoke with him as well. He told me that he was asked to play in the 40 age brackett, since he just turned 40, but when he got there he was also asked to play with the 35's. So yeah, I'm sure who I saw.
Aug. 17, 2009
diehard
Men's 55
245 posts
Hey Wagon,

I'm sorry that it turned out that way for you guys. Especially being in your own backyard, so to speak. I can't explain why things like that happen, exept to say that it,s poor scheduling on the part of the TD. I tried to keep track of you guys and was hoping to get a chance to see you play, but I did not stay in Manassas and spent much of my time on that big parking lot they call 495.
Aug. 17, 2009
ju25
Men's 55
139 posts
Congrats diehard,

The Bucs are a classy bunch of guys who hit the snot out of the ball. I played RC for Wealth & Wisdom(Michigan) and thought our division 55AAA was very competetive. Umpires were a little confused at times(Looking for ASA stamps on senior bats) but being a new rule that is understandable. Minor delays but I sure appreciated them water coolers being kept fresh. I'm sure we will be back next year.
Aug. 17, 2009
Paco13
364 posts
Wagon, 1st of all congratulations!!! I played 50 AAA (Tidewater Titans) and we were only one hour behind and that was in part because one of our games went into the 9th inning, we lost that one by one. Other than that the fields were in great shape, good umps (few calls in my opinion went against us) but they were close enough that could have gone either way. In general from our perspective it was a very good tourney, with good umps, good balls and excellent weather,,,CONGRATULATION to Angle INN...wonderful group of seniors. I believe that we might be in Burlington for Mem day, see U guys there
Aug. 17, 2009
diehard
Men's 55
245 posts
ju25

Thanks for the kind words. The same goes for your team Wealth & Wisdom. Great competitors, and great representatives of Senior Softball,and a very good team. It was a pleasure playing you guys! I believe that we had a great bracket, which any team in it could have won. And I also believe that while there were many very good athletes playing this weekend, there were not any that could have caught that ball I hit to the gap in center field. But you did! Great play! Hope to see you guys again soon.

Greg
#8 HSB55's
Aug. 17, 2009
ju25
Men's 55
139 posts
Thanks Greg,

Very kind of you. 44 & 24 runs in the championship against the Force, very impressive. See ya next year.
Aug. 17, 2009
wagon487
Men's 50
516 posts
Enough of kissing each others behind!
Way to hijack my thread.
This thread started out bashing the poorly run ISSA. Let's keep it that way.
Aug. 17, 2009
diehard
Men's 55
245 posts
Hey Wagon,
I used to wonder how you got your nickname, now I know!
Aug. 17, 2009
Paco13
364 posts
Wagon, please accept my apology, no intend to hijack your post. Just an honest assessment from my point of view.
Aug. 17, 2009
wagon487
Men's 50
516 posts
Greg, just keeping it real, ahright:)
Aug. 17, 2009
ju25
Men's 55
139 posts
Wagon

Sorry to hear your division didn't go so well, but ours did. Not trying to hijack your thread, just giving a shout out to a classy bunch of guys.
Aug. 17, 2009
diehard
Men's 55
245 posts
Wagon,

I am also sorry, you are a friend and I am sorry for the way things went for you guys. Did not intend to hijack your thread.
Aug. 17, 2009
turn2
484 posts
Part of the reason for the games being behind were because they were only scheduled for an one hour and fifteen minutes instead of 1 and 1/2. They would still have been behind but not as bad.
All the teams nee to start checking your opponents rosters because I saw at least 2 teams that the rosters were not right. Too many players from the wrong ares. Keep and eye on them because the TD is not.
Later
Donnie
Aug. 17, 2009
jah#4
Men's 55
551 posts
I have to agree with Wagon487 it was the poor run tournament that I have played in since the late 90's. We had one umpire chage his mind 3 times on 1 play. Can understand long playing times because of long game BUT there is no reason you should have rec umpires doing a national tourney. The weather was great, ball were good and we did have some very good umpires but there was enough bad one to make one have second though of every coming back to another event.
the umpires was calling strikes that landed 3 inchs behind the mat and then change his mind of the count between pitches without telling anyone. only one umpires in pool and never move from behind the plate, go and ask the the players on the field and the dugout what did they think the call would be. It was a joke.
We had to laugh or cry and we did both.
Just a very few examples of some of the calls.
you had to be there
Don Ward
Aug. 18, 2009
Sizzleen
1 posts
The worst for me was the fields. This was the first time I visited the East and did not play on red clay. The infields were California type - unpredictable as the ball scooted or hopped. With the speed of todays game, it is too dangerous to play on infields with no predicability. My wife was miserable with no shade anywhere. There were big trees everywhere except in the park. I can play more tournaments if the boss is happy. The umpires were 50-50. I also had an umpire call a ball that was 3" behind the mat. The scheduling was rediculous. With no time limit, the hour and fifteen allowed did not work. The balls were fine, and there was no trouble hitting them out or smoking a hole. Manassas is beautiful. With a nicer complex and a few better umpires, it can be a great tournament.
Aug. 19, 2009
pizzaboy
11 posts
Sizzleen I don't know which fields you played on but I play infield and didn't get a bad hop the whole tournament.I agree about the shade there isn't any and my better half complains every time we go to Manassas.As for the games getting behind its because "EVERYONE" wanted good balls and good bats to be used.When they're used you get long games,so I don't blame the TD for this,we caused it!I loved the competition in the 55AAA and thought all 8 teams were equal.It was fun playing the games and the umpiring was well umpiring.You get some calls and you don't get some calls,live with it!
2B
Pill&Pill
Aug. 19, 2009
wagon487
Men's 50
516 posts
The problem was not using good balls and bats, the problem was there was no time limit, no run rule in the 35 + 40,
and playing with different rules everyday. One day, 7 run limit per ininng in 50 major, next day, no run limit in 50 major. 6 then an out one day, 6 then 1 up the next. And they ran out of balls on Sunday.
People who didn't play at Valley View or the Staduim did not have have to put up with being 4 hours behind on Saturday. They got behind quick, we had and 1:30 game and did not play utill after 4. And the only reason that happened, the major plus did not need the field for the 11:45 game. The other 1:30 game was not being played when I left at 6:30.
Only one location ran on time.

Aug. 19, 2009
pizzaboy
11 posts
Wagon so your for playing a time limit to keep the games on schedule?Every time that a time limit has been put on games in tournaments that we were in PEOPLE complained about paying all that entry fee and not getting 7 innings.What's the solution?I don't have the answer because there's always someone thats not happy.Personally I just go with the flow and play because I can't control other peoples tournaments.But thats why there are all the different associations,play where your happy.I just go where my sponsor{coach}tells me we're playing and do the best I can{which isn't very good most times}.
Aug. 19, 2009
Mr. Manassas
225 posts
My problem with the tournament was with the organization of the umpires. After the conclusion of every game there was at least a 20 minute gap before the next game while the teams waited for the umpires....You magnify that by the number of games and you have a problem.
Aug. 19, 2009
Proudtex40
57 posts
Wags, Steve Shannon here. It was great seeing you and sorry you had a bad trip. I certainly agree that the umps were struggleing at best, but the bats, balls & fields were in great condition. Hope to see you again soon.
Aug. 19, 2009
turn2
484 posts
This was the best turn out for the 50 Major Plus division that I have seen in the last few years. They had Seacrest,Hendricks, Geckle Builders and Damons. All quality teams and a heck of a tourney. There were only 2 60 major plus us Turn Two and New York but that is 1 more than the past
Maybe more major plus teams will come since they are using a great ball and the senior bats.
The umps were bad at times but we did get to play 7 innings of softball.
Later
Donnie
Turn two
Aug. 19, 2009
wagon487
Men's 50
516 posts
The SPA in GA a couple of weekends ago had none of these problems. They allowed 2 hours for games, no time limit. Seven runs an ininng, 4 HR, then walks or 1 up. It was an example of how to run a great tournament!
We had ten major teams (50) and no problems. They even moved a game because the sun was in the batters eyes.
My hat's off to SPA!
Aug. 20, 2009
JohnBob
Men's 60
246 posts
Was the PPR used? Also I agree with Mr Manassas in the world tourney's Umps take way to long between games. I understand they need a restroom break and maybe something to drink but this should not take 15-20 minutes. Even if a fresh crew is doing next game still you have 2 teams waiting on umps a lot of the time and some are half our age.
Aug. 20, 2009
wagon487
Men's 50
516 posts
the ppr was not used
Aug. 22, 2009
WOW
197 posts
A 35 yr old age bracket in "Senior Soiftball". What next, anyone over 12 will soon be considered a senior!!!!!!
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