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Discussion: To rotate or not to rotate ?

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Sept. 2, 2009
seniorsbfart
45 posts
To rotate or not to rotate ?
My grandson is playing high school baseball. He uses a Mattingly bat which has a V-grip and only allows the player to hit on one side of the bat. Talking to his coach and a rep from the bat company that was there the topic came up about rotating the bat. The coach and the rep told me that rotating a composite bat is only a myth and that bat engineers will tell you that you do not have to rotate a bat since the impact is spread across the barrel and rotating will not affect it. Baseball or softball the same is true. So I ask you bat guys if you agree with this. The rep had a valid point in that Mattingly bats are composite softball, baseball and alloy baseball and they have no issues with this concept of hitting on the same side. What say you…..?
Sept. 2, 2009
taits
Men's 65
4355 posts
I rotate almost every time. Do you rotate tires on a car?... Probably. Move the wear around, so as with a bat you're not just hitting in one small area all the time & therefore likely to crack a composite or wave, dent, if a metal bat.
Wood you have to place label up or down.
IMO
But for a young school kid, I doubt I'd worry much unless he has hr power.
Sept. 3, 2009
SCRAPPY6
55 posts
I have been a rep for major bat companies for almost 20 years and currently rep one of the most popular composite bat companies in the country. I also have used and tested composite bats ever since their introduction. The one fact that I can tell you is that composites have a life span. That is why it takes most composites a certain amount of hits to "break it in". After the break in period they continue to get slightly better with use. They will then reach a point of failure.
You do not have to be an engineer to figure out if you hit in the same constant area the bat life will be reduced significantly.
My suggestion is like "Tait" said. When breaking in and using your composite bat rotate it to break down the composites/resins equally. The bigest thing it does is prolong bat life.
I am sure that the rep and coach will try to promote the matingly priciple. It actually is a very good training device for hitters, but in actual day to day hitting in the same spot will break down the bat. The only way it will not break down is to multi layer it and make it deader to begin with. The same goes for aluminum bats. Hitting in the exact same spot time after time will cause metal fatigue.
Everything has a life span. From bats to us.
Mike
Sept. 3, 2009
seniorsbfart
45 posts
Saw a composite bat that was only hit on one side and it cracked. However the crack is on the other side of the barrel from where the hitting area is. Why would that be ?
Sept. 3, 2009
taits
Men's 65
4355 posts
Not sure it rally matters but possibly like the old Demo's that waved or dented far too often.
if you hit on the opposite side or to the side of the wave or slight dent you could actually get the wave or dent to level out. The 90's to say '99 Weapon and the DL were horrendous for waved and dents. Dent too often and they cracked easily. Original Mizuno Crush was another.
Sept. 3, 2009
armiho211
Men's 70
409 posts
the old demarinis used to have numbers at the end of the barrel for rotating purposes, 1 thru 8 if i remember correctly. seems the composite bat companies ought to start doing the same thing ( haha). i may mark my ultra's with my wife's finger nail polish where the bat tapers to the knob, hopefully the umpires wont throw it out as an altered bat. this post should have come out 3 weeks ago, i broke 2 ultra 2's at the last tournament.
Sept. 3, 2009
mad dog
Men's 60
3932 posts
frank quit lieing,you can't hit hard enough to break any bats LOL.


another sub,we got one of your guys over here in tyler, hostage(gerald mc),we're not gonna let him out of town to go to dalton,LOL.
we are getting him ready for ya,by hitting on sundays.
Sept. 3, 2009
armiho211
Men's 70
409 posts
mad dog, they were not brand new but used for quiet a few games in the last year. just unlucky they broke on the same weekend. got 2 more from cary. please work MAC ON OVERTIME, we need him in dalton, after 3 years of not playing, his timing is not quiet there yet. he will be a monster once everything clicks. we got bumped up to major plus on 7/18. looking forward to dalton on 9/10 thru 9/13, and LVSSA IN VEGAS 9/21 THRU 9/23. who are you playing with nowadays ?? see ya ! frank
Sept. 4, 2009
mad dog
Men's 60
3932 posts
hey frank,you guys need to be M+,adding terry p and mac. mac is hitting real good and you shouldn't be disappointed.
i've been playing with tom paris and the spurs.waiting till next yr(turn 60)need to find a 60 team.i can be the kid on the team again,LOL.
Sept. 4, 2009
armiho211
Men's 70
409 posts
MAD DOG- the only dallas area 60's team i know that is forming next year is going to be run by ed jones. he is going to form a pretty good team from what i hear. AND ED BRINGS THE BEER ! WOULD YOU CONSIDER HIS TEAM ? PS: DONT BE IN HURRY TO GET OLDER, IT'S COMING AT YOU like running downhill out of control ! with that baby face of yours, you'll definitely be the younster next year ! lol. see ya ! frank
Sept. 4, 2009
mad dog
Men's 60
3932 posts
thanks frank,i know of ed's team as there are about 5 of us on the 55 spurs that r turning 60 for next yr.ed's been recruiting,i'm not sure i want to play AA tho,would like to play a touch higher if possible.would miss the beer and they are a bunch of good guys.LOL

been talking to bill mac(turf-pro)as he is gonna be sponsering them next yr,and also have been in touch with kenny of tanel austin.guess i'll see what's up later.
good luck in dalton.
Sept. 5, 2009
armiho211
Men's 70
409 posts
MAD DOG- turf pro is an excellent team, great bunch of guys, you would certainly be an asset to their team. best of luck to you the rest of the year, AND HIT THEM HARD ! see ya, frank
Sept. 6, 2009
seniorsbfart
45 posts
Well you guys are no better than t*ts on a bull ! I did some study with folks that really know about bats and the true answer is this: Rotating composite or alloy bats is never bad idea but it is not proven that it will make your bat last any longer. There are just too many factors that might crack a composite bat which is why some last 50 swings and some 1000 however the experts I talked to agreed that rotate is really not a factor. Here is guy I got the info from http://paws.kettering.edu/~drussell/bats.html
Sept. 7, 2009
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
seniorsbfart, You come on this board and ask for help and then you have the nerve to say we are no better than tits on a bull, well why didn't you ask you the folks that really know about bats before you ask anybody on this board....they tried to help you and you acted like a complete ass.........
Sept. 7, 2009
taits
Men's 65
4355 posts
#6,
I agree for the most part but his source is about the best out for research wise for most all softball related things. I used to use them & I know some here still do.
Sometimes, they get too technical and go beyond the laymen's understanding which is what the majority of players want, simple, straight forward and honest.
Scrappy6, (Mike M.) knows bats, trust him.
Sept. 7, 2009
salio2k
Men's 60
548 posts
seniorsbfart.........if you go along with your experts that say that rotate is really not a factor, you will end up with a composite that is cracked on the back end. That is what happened with the bat in your second post in this thread.
Sept. 8, 2009
seniorsbfart
45 posts
sorry about bull thing. There was supposed to be a smile face followed by a note about the post going off in another direction. but it did not show up and I don't know how to edit....
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