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Discussion: NO BALLS!!!

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Sept. 21, 2009
Dillon1
12 posts
NO BALLS!!!
EINSTEIN ALERT!!!
Southwest Championship in Tucson, AZ this past weekend used a substandard softball. It was a Miken ball approved for ASA play and sounded like a grapefruit when hit and of course had limited pop. Using this ball in any senior softball tournament, let alone a RING TOURNEY is unacceptable and is doing things on the cheap. This is a blatant example of senior softball officials acting like politicians by being out of touch and not giving a damn about what players want. If senior sofball is going to use a lousy ball it should advise beforehand so players can make a decision whether or not they want to attend. Players have been petitioning senior softball for a long time to not dummy down the ball. It's time to take to heart what we want. Leon
Sept. 21, 2009
thebull
Men's 50
59 posts
I played in Tucson this weekend, and yes, the balls were horrible. It felt like playing in a wood bat tournament, it completly changed the game. Had we known they were going to use sub-standard balls we would not have attended. In the future ( if we return)we will not attend a tournament unless the balls being used are disclosed ahead of time.
At the Managers meeting we were told that they wanted to try the Miken's due to a shortage of Trumps. Why try out a new ball at a Major Tournament, I could have told then with one swing that they were crap balls, I could have also given them a list of other quality balls they could have used. I'm so disgusted with my experence in Tucson that it will be a hard sell sell to get us to return to another SSUSA Tournament. thebull
Sept. 21, 2009
taits
Men's 65
4253 posts
Those two post don't sound good.
Perhaps they should use the Blue Dots 47\525 or Dudley ZN 47\525 balls. I'm sure Trump has another just as good you could add to list also.
Both hold up well and sure travel. As for hot weather use, your guess would be as good as mine.
One thing for sure, more bats will be broke over the soft ones. So with any bat or ball you will be giving up something. Be it pop vs durability with bats or going soft vs flight. These both have cost considerations as well.
But changing as was written here I don't think was a good decision.
Sept. 21, 2009
thebull
Men's 50
59 posts
A follow up to my previous Post. I've read all the other Posts concerning the quality of the balls and find many of the arguments silly, Decker already makes a ball that meets the requirements we are looking for yet we get stuck with the Miken. Why not let teams bring and use thier own balls if they choose to? As long as they meet the 44/375 spec., who would object and why? thebull
Sept. 21, 2009
BruceAZ
Men's 60
84 posts
No one that I talked to enjoyed playing with the Miken Psycho ASA .44/375 balls. They were mush balls and they shouldn't have been used in a national tournament. Another problem in Tucson was that they didn't have any water to water down the fields. The infields baked in the 100 degree temps for 3 days and were like cement. I've never seen so many bad hops and errors in the infield and some players got hurt. That's just unexceptable in a national ring tournament.

Bruce
CJ&S
Sept. 21, 2009
Dbax
Men's 60
1223 posts
On a positive note, if there can be one...Pretty much only the guys with legitament home run power were hitting them out. No cheapies this weekend. I like a hot ball as much as the next guy, but sometimes it's silly when the little base hitters, (like me) hit them out.
Sept. 21, 2009
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
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Sept. 21, 2009
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
The ball is all
we need to recall.
(thanks to Johnny Cochrane)
The ball is the thing... Shakespere

Right on, Bull.
If the TD's don't disclose
the ball and its specs regarding performance,
core and compression
we don't go.
Hey Leon, you monster.
Ahn, ahn, ahn...(sounds like a buzzer)
I'm all over it.
Dbax, my old adversary and new friend.
We disagree.
It's about having fun and hitting a
ball hard, fast and far
is fun.
It really is.
Sept. 21, 2009
Dbax
Men's 60
1223 posts
If I had my choice, obviously I want to hit a good ball. All I was saying is it was still a fun tournament. But don't experiment with us on a ring, TOC invite tournament. Can't wait for the LVSSA. Balls should be flying. Let's hope the rumors aren't true about LVSSA screwing up the classifications, and letting teams play down.
Sept. 21, 2009
Lecak
Men's 55
1004 posts
Dave go to LVSSA home page under tournaments and you should see a section for 2009 WM schedule. On the right hand side is a listing of the teams in each particular age group and division. I have not heard any rumors of teams playing down. Check for your self.
Sept. 21, 2009
taits
Men's 65
4253 posts
Dbax
Read the ratings for the divisions. Might be hard to get firm grip on it since last I check there were in AA and 3A, have 8 teams each, so you don't really know which will be going where. I didn't pay too much attention to the other two.(M\M+)
But do know something will be given or taken in each of those two, AA\3A.

Sept. 21, 2009
Dbax
Men's 60
1223 posts
Are Ruth 55's Major+? Why are they not listed on the 55 ratings page?
Sept. 21, 2009
taits
Men's 65
4253 posts
Both the 55 and 60 are WE Ruth... M+ tams
Sept. 21, 2009
taits
Men's 65
4253 posts
Teams
Sept. 21, 2009
Dbax
Men's 60
1223 posts
Thanks, the W.E. threw me off! I found them.
Sept. 21, 2009
Jawood
Men's 50
784 posts
The Ruth 55 Major-plus team is playing as a 50 Major team. They made some kind of deal. They are tired of playing in 55 Major-plus tournaments with 2 or 3 teams.
Sept. 21, 2009
Jawood
Men's 50
784 posts
We bring our own balls that we all decide on to play with. What are they going to do, kick us out of the tournament?
Sept. 21, 2009
Lecak
Men's 55
1004 posts
Your own ball curious as to why.
Sept. 21, 2009
taits
Men's 65
4253 posts
Croquet balls... lol Solid balls, won't get soft under any conditions, but tough on bats.
Sept. 21, 2009
Tate22
Men's 55
259 posts
Jawood:
Too bad Ruth's 55's jumped the gun, there are 6 good 55 M+ teams in LVSSA World this weekend. Last time we saw them was in Reno there were about that many as well.

Don Newhard
Nighthawks 55 M+
Sept. 22, 2009
The Pro
81 posts
Gentlemen, I went and watched the 65 Major + Blue Jays play the Florida team yesterday at Lorenzi and there were 7 home runs hit in that game. That should end any doubts about the ball. By the way the sound of the ball coming off the bat was a sharp crack.

Also for the teams coming in this weekend I just found out that on Saturday there will be a "blues and brews" festival at Lorenzi and although the parking there has been greatly expanded you'll probably need to be there before 11am to find a good spot. Again good luck and play well.
Sept. 22, 2009
Al33
Men's 55
183 posts
Hey Pro,

That's good news about the balls. How are the new fields at Lorenzi? I'll be there this weekend. Looking forward to it.
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