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Discussion: Bat doctors retirements?

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March 28, 2005
jah#4
Men's 55
551 posts
Bat doctors retirements?
Here is a post that is on the Old Scout board
Bat Doctors Retirement Announcements

In conjunction with the USSSA,effective immediately Robert Russell, aka Bobby Buggs, and the Shop of Evil
have agreed to exit the business that could be considered altering or doctoring of USSSA 1.20 BPF marked bats.
Mr. Russell will continue to pursue his Evil Sports concept and the Evil ball line of association certified softballs.
USSSA congratulates Mr. Russell for making the right decision.

In conjunction with the USSSA, effective immediately Jason Chickos has agreed to exit the business that could be
considered altering or doctoring of USSSA 1.20 BPF marked bats.
USSSA congratulates Mr. Chickos for making the right decision.

In conjunction with the USSSA effective immediately Jim Cary has agreed to not be in the business that could be
considered altering or doctoring of USSSA 1.20 BPF marked bats. Mr. Cary will continue to be a retailer of softball
related products under the name of Seniorsoftballguru.
USSSA congratulates Mr. Cary for making the right decision.

In conjunction with the USSSA, effective immediately Brett Kreuger has agreed to exit the business that could be
considered altering or doctoring of USSSA 1.20 BPF marked bats.
USSSA congratulates Mr. Kreuger for making the right decision.

In conjunction with the USSSA, effective immediately Michael Rogers has agreed to exit the business that could be
considered altering or doctoring of USSSA 1.20 BPF marked bats.
USSSA congratulates Mr. Rogers for making the right decision.
March 29, 2005
stig 52
Men's 50
46 posts
I don't think this will stop the practice of altering bats. One of the biggest problem with the painted bats is companies like Miken that use the same design for Velocite, Freaks, Freak+ and Ultra ll. It's a lot eaiser to paint an Ultra ll to look like a Freak if every thing else on the bats are the same. If Miken wanted to stop this they wold change the end caps or the knobs so it would be harder to just paint a bat. I think that Miken just wants to sell more Ultra ll bats and do not care about the integrity of the game.
March 29, 2005
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Hmmmm.
Very interesting and important but it seems there's more going on around and underneath this phenomenon.
Who and what are behind this movement?
What would happen if a bat injured someone and could be traced back to a "doctor?"
March 30, 2005
Walk
192 posts
Boys you are considered a bat doctor by the USSSA if you do anything like this to your bat.

Alteration of a USSSA Marked Bat

"Included in the USSSA view of what is an altered or doctored bat are any bats
that are subjected to pressure in any manner that exceeds that of striking the bat
against an approved ball traveling at game like speeds. Such excess pressure would
include, but is not limited to, any compression, rolling, placing in a vise, hitting a
stationary object such as a pole, etc."

One last thought because it is already happening. Do you really thing the bat company is going to stand behind the player if a stock bat that exceeds the 1,20 is taken from a tournament and sent to the company for testing?

If the bat company say it was one of theirs and stock then they face a bat ban so who do you think they will blame.

Also just so y'll know the 1.20 compression test machine is a bogus test. We tested it in CA and found that out. We took three NIW composite bats and tested the bats before they were hit. All bats passed but 200+ swings later on each bat we retested and all bats failed!! We did this with the Synergy, Mikens and Worths. I am hoping the seniors don't use this machine the USSSA uses but if they do then everyone better take NIW bats to the worlds.
March 30, 2005
Walk
192 posts
Sorry I forgot guess I had a senior moment. Rumor has it USSSA and ASA will change their stance on the bats this year. USSSA and NSA will follow the new ASA guidelines and ASA will not allow the grandfather rule to continue of the 100 mph bats after July 1. Which means the Freak and Synergy 2 will be banned if they follow through with this.

Everyone should be glad the SSWC and SPA are around. I don't like their position on the regional rules but at least they have kept their word on the bats.
March 30, 2005
avs
10 posts
This would mean the Freak 98 ( which is kind of a dog anyway) should remain legal. Right?
March 30, 2005
Walk
192 posts
Yes it would. So would the Synergy extended. But remember they too will get hotter after they are hit.
March 30, 2005
TaterinGa
Men's 50
178 posts
From the heart: I am totally opposed to altering bats; for 2 years JAH Masters signed their rosters that they did not use altered bats. For the record; I own several Original Velocit-es; they work for me & I do not have to pay $250+ for them; but to put the U2 conversion to an Original Velocit-e to rest; here are some facts: the Original has a longer barrel; the knob is 1/8 thicker; if you go from the knob up the handle about 10 the handle is 1/8 thicker. I have never owned a U2; owned a Freak for 30 minutes, but never hit with it; so I do not know if the U2 & the Freaks have the same size shell; the Original Velocit-e is not the same. I will not use altered bats or equipment; it goes against my Christian ethics & I have to face myself in the mirror every morning.


Taterman Pres. SSOMV Club Secret Society of Original Miken Velocit-es
April 4, 2005
BillyMac
Men's 55
91 posts
Is it true or false about the bat standard changes mentioned by Walk? I have been unable to verify this rumor. Can anyone tell me where I might find the answer to whether the Snergy2 will or won't be legal after July 1, 2005?

peace
hit to WIN!!!!!!
B Mac
April 4, 2005
Smokey20
Men's 55
102 posts
The Original Freak and Synergy II should be the limit. Elimanate the plus models for all associations. Come up with a standard ball (44/525) and be done with it.
April 4, 2005
jah#4
Men's 55
551 posts
Smokey20
Original Freak and Synergy II are very good bats But I think the synergy + is a much better bat than the synergy II after the break in period. The Freak should be left alone by ASA. they have stopped making that one anyway. If there is a chance to screw something up let ASA make some new rule.
Don
April 4, 2005
Gary Heifner
248 posts
Does all this mean that USSSA will join the ASA in having no integrity by allowing us to buy approved bats in the off season only to have another $300 bat banned in mid-season? How do you buy a bat to break in and use during the season without worrying about it being banned. I was under the impression USSSA wasn't going to do this type of stuff.
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