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| Sept. 28, 2009 michigan native 5 posts | picking up players Wondering how you can pickup players for a national/world tournament, without them having qualified with your team. Been seeing a lot of "help wanted" adds on the message board |
| Sept. 29, 2009 Dirty Men's 50 1371 posts | Teams need to dance with who brung them. What is the joy in winning with pickups? A further example of the erosion of pride. |
| Sept. 29, 2009 taits Men's 65 4548 posts | Best to call, and ask, because it would depend on "circumstances" like number of players ages, level played and more. Heck, Grab Dirty, he is in a bordering state. Providing your only need a " 50's player" |
| Sept. 29, 2009 kbl Men's 60 544 posts | 1st of all, call sacramento. you can also look under tournaments--rules. go down to page 26 and 27. like to think "go with what got you there" ken |
| Sept. 29, 2009 gott2play Men's 60 212 posts | We are a 50 Major team a little short of players for Phoenix. Many of the guys who played the qualifiers can't make it. The official SSUSA position is that we can pick up one 50 Major and three 55 Major players for this tourney. Currently waiting on an answer from them regarding the adding of players who have never played a sanctioned senior tourney. |
| Sept. 29, 2009 stick8 1991 posts | I agree with Dirty's point. If you assemble a team that wants to compete in the worlds you go there with who you've run with. Unfortunately unforseen things do come up--work, personal, family, finances, injuries, etc--that prevent some from going. I can see 2 or maybe 3 from a 15 man roster having something like this come up. However if you get 5 or more pulling out chances are they didn't want to go anyway and it would behoove said team to stay home. jmho |
| Sept. 29, 2009 mad dog Men's 65 4191 posts | stick why should a team stay home when the majority wants to go.your saying the minority should rule where the team go's.i have played on teams that only had 13 man rosters,as a lot do,and all's it takes is a couple or so not being able to go at the last second(month or so,with no quailfier's to get into)leaving ya with 10 maybe 11 players.going to a national with that many is not the best thing to do(need subs for injuries and such),so if a team can pick up by the rules so be it.all div's allow it(including the youngens in thiers)thru out softball. |
| Sept. 29, 2009 gott2play Men's 60 212 posts | Clarification to my earlier post. We have 10 guys right now and can add either 2 50 Major, or 2 new players to get us to 12. After we get to 12, any additional players have to be 55 Major players |
| Sept. 29, 2009 Dirty Men's 50 1371 posts | It is a TEAM event, not a pickup game. Take your TEAM, not ringers you pick up so you can with something. And if not enough guys can make it, yea it might suck but that is life. You don't drop integrity for your own personal benefit. What has happened to guys these days? |
| Sept. 29, 2009 gott2play Men's 60 212 posts | Dirty, Not sure if your comments are intended me, but if so, what is your issue? We have a number of guys who can't make it for a variety of reasons, therefore leaving us with 10 guys who still want to play in Phoenix. Are we just supposed to come with those 10 and hope nobody gets injured? We're just following the rules as they apply. Ringers?...we're a 50 Major team and 5 of the 10 we have going are already 55....so where's the advantage. |
| Sept. 30, 2009 stick8 1991 posts | Mad Dog they don't have to stay home. They can try and make a go of it. If rules allow them to pick up players to fill the spots and they can pick up those players, that's fine. It's happened to most teams at one point or another. I just feel if half or more than half a team decides not to go then it might behoove them to stay home. It's tough to get players to go last minute--especially if they have to pay their way.. |
| Sept. 30, 2009 WOW 197 posts | If your "qualified"players can't make it, you should stay home! Granted "things happen" so deal with it. Why should another "real" team have to play against a team picking up "illegal" players. Next time take enough players to the qualifiers. It is TOTALLY unfair to allow this to happen because I can guarantee you that the team that is saying they are short their regular players will "magically" find healthy players that are better than their so called "unhealthy" ones. |
| Oct. 1, 2009 Paco13 424 posts | WOW, What planet RU from. Why should a team be penalized for picking up 1-2 players if they are short. Sounds to me like UR scare to play a little competition, if so just stay home and watch the soaps. I would expect comments like that from the young guys but adults, come on we are blessed that we can still play at this age and have teams to play against. STOP CRYING LITTLE GIRL. |
| Oct. 1, 2009 SSUSA Staff 3490 posts | WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS • ROSTER CONSIDERATIONS The Senior Softball World Championships (“SSWC”) is the ‘Premier Event’ on the SSUSA Tournament calendar. The tournament differs in some aspects from the Qualifying Tournaments that establish the base roster for qualifying teams, requiring ‘special’ rules for ‘special’ circumstances. The SSUSA believes: • Qualified teams should participate with the same roster, or as close as reasonably possible, to the roster used when they participated in the tournament designated as their ‘qualifying roster’ . There is a ‘level playing field’ and rating integrity only if there is continuity in roster composition from the qualifying roster to the SSWC roster; • Due to a variety of legitimate circumstances, some teams may not be able to bring the exact same players to the SSWC who were on their qualifying roster; • There be provisions in the rules to fairly address the roster issues facing some teams; and • Any team participating in the SSWC with ‘roster exemption players’ should have up to five reserves available on their roster. Thus, teams that add players, and normally play with 10 defensive players, will have a roster limit of 15 players, and teams that normally play with 11 defensive players will have a roster limit of 16 players. NOTE: A qualified team may have more than 15/16 players, up to 20, on its SSWC roster if the team is NOT adding ‘roster exemption players’ for the SSWC. “Special Roster Rules” For Men’s and Women’s Divisions: • If a qualified team has at least 15 (or 16, depending on the number of defensive players normally used) from the original qualifying roster planning on attending the SSWC, the team is prohibited from adding ‘roster exemption players’; • If a qualified team's roster falls below 12/13 players, the team MAY APPLY TO ADD players until it reaches the 12/13 player level. These players must be from the SAME age group in the SAME or LOWER skill level. Managers must APPLY to SSUSA for approval of these players in writing, preferably by e-mail, before October 1st. These players are approved or not approved on an individual basis; • If a qualified team's roster is at or above the 12/13 limit, but below the 15/16 limit, the team will be able to add players until it reaches the 15/16 player level. These players must be from the next OLDER age group in the SAME or LOWER skill level. Managers must notify SSUSA in writing, preferably by e-mail, before October 1st, of the players the team is adding; • Managers may also request to add players who are regular members of the team, but were not able to attend the team’s designated qualifying tournament. Managers must APPLY to SSUSA for approval of these players in writing before October 1st. These players are approved or not approved on an individual basis; • Any player from the original qualifying roster not planning to attend the SSWC and who’s spot on the SSWC roster was filled by a ‘roster exemption player’ is considered removed from the qualifying roster. That player is not eligible to participate in the SSWC unless a recently added ‘roster exemption player’ is removed from the SSWC roster and the original player is reinstated to both rosters, thereby maintaining the 15/16 player roster limit; • Men’s 40-Masters, Men’s 80's and all Major Plus participating teams are exempt from these “Special Roster Rules” and are subject to the normal roster and player eligibility rules; and • Women’s teams will be given broad latitude when ‘roster exemption player’ requests are received due to the unique player eligibility criteria employed in the Women’s Division. |
| Oct. 1, 2009 WOW 197 posts | Paco, Sounds like YOU have been watching too many soaps! Get Real. Like you, I feel blessed to play but also would like the rules to be followed by everyone. SEE ABOVE! If SSUSA follows their rules, things usually work out. It's the time they believe the mgrs. and DON'T know the player being added, that the "real" team gets screwed. BEEN THERE DONE THAT. Speaking from 13 yrs past experience! Are you, LITTLE BOY? |
| Oct. 1, 2009 WOW 197 posts | Paco. Just read your other post about wanting to be picked up. Now I understand your response to mine. You ARE un-informed.!!!! |
| Oct. 1, 2009 taits Men's 65 4548 posts | Paco, WOW, is correct on this.(pick ups) It happens all the time. |
| Oct. 2, 2009 Dirty Men's 50 1371 posts | Paco, that is such a tired, old line. A TEAM is a TEAM. Play as one or don't show up. Does it suck not being able to attend? Sure. But again, these are tournaments not pickup games. Now if the rules allow then it is alright, I suppose, but to WOW's point how many times are the pickups worse players than the guys they are replacing? |
| Oct. 5, 2009 Paco13 424 posts | Fellows, I appreciate all the love. All what I am saying is that a team should be able to pick 1-2 players if needed, the rules does allow that. Every team and situation is different...On a non sponsored team everybody does not have $150-200 to spend every other weekend...so if that coach can pick a player for just that tourney...why should they be penalized...The title of the tourney is irrelevant unless it is a qualifier for the TOC or something like. Check and see how many national, worlds...tourneys are out there, and for the most part you will see about the same teams, example here in the East Coast on the 50 AAA we have played the same teams in every single tourney, few exceptions, but not that many, regardless of the Association (SPA, ISSA, ASA, USSA). Please accept my apology, did not mean to hurt your feelings, personally I just like to play ball, like to win, but the competition is what I enjoy...disposed of all my trophies away about 2 years ago, do not play so if we win I have to spend my money to by a ring, I bet some of you guys have a bunch of them, that makes you great, or get a $5 dollar medallion...Come on guys enjoy the game, play hard, be thankful and congratulate the best team that weekend for their win. WHAT IS THE BIGGEST COMPLAINT ABOUT M AND M+…THERE ARE NOT THAT MANY TEAMS TO PLAY AGAINST…BECAUSE ALL THE RULES…ALLOW FEW PICK UPS AND YOU WILL SEE THE NUMBERS IMPROVE. |
| Oct. 6, 2009 wagon487 Men's 55 578 posts | paco13, call me 301-351-0977 need to talk to you thanks |
