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Discussion: Would like to play in Phoenix

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Oct. 6, 2009
TJ55
Men's 55
2 posts
Would like to play in Phoenix
I already have the tickets to Phoenix and the team I played with isn't going. I played with Schone's 55 Major Plus when we qualified in Raleigh but they aren't going. I normally play with DeClaire Ins. a 50 Major team. 3rd batter. Can play anywhere but short & pitch.
Oct. 7, 2009
starry17
4 posts
I have a 55AAA team from Texas and need a player for Phoenix. E-mail me with your phone number and I will call you.
billystarry@yahoo.com
Oct. 7, 2009
taits
Men's 65
4387 posts
TJ55
If your in OH that's not a border state to TX and would mess up the TX team royally.
No bordering stated to OH border TX either.
starry17, you better rethink that one.
Oct. 8, 2009
Paco13
373 posts
Stuff like this is what does not make any sense. Why can he play, he has a ticket that probably is not refundable and a team needs a good player. Perfect situation a win, win situation for both the player and the team. There has to be a way to make a one time exception...common sense, however, there are people just like with the youngens that will find a way to complaint and make an issue out nothing. TJ55 I hope that U find a good team to play...tooo many rules and cry babies on this senior circuit. That is all what I have to say.
Oct. 8, 2009
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Paco, it is a win/win for the player and THAT team, but not for the other teams who are dancing with who brung them. This is about more than just one player and one team, but should be about the integrity of the tournament and all the teams involved.

This is a tournament, NOT a pickup game.
Oct. 8, 2009
Paco13
373 posts
Dirty, You are telling me that U have never played for any other team as pick up on a tourney, when your team is not playing...
Oct. 8, 2009
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Paco, that is correct. Tournaments are TEAM events, meant to be played by "teams", not collections of individual players.

Now if the rules of that particular event allow it, and all teams are playing under that same rule, that is probably a different story. But for one, or a few, team to do it while the others are playing with their actual team is wrong.
Oct. 8, 2009
PlanoPlayer
Men's 55
71 posts
Aren't you guys missing the most important point? Not only does OH not border TX, but the guy is frozen on a qualified 55+ Major Plus roster. He cannot play down at the AAA level under any event.

Also, Paco13...come one man, there are rules for a reason. Try to adminster something like SSUSA without rules and see what happens.
Oct. 8, 2009
SSUSA Staff
1271 posts
REPOST:

WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS • ROSTER CONSIDERATIONS

The Senior Softball World Championships (“SSWC”) is the ‘Premier Event’ on the SSUSA Tournament calendar. The tournament differs in some aspects from the Qualifying Tournaments that establish the base roster for qualifying teams, requiring ‘special’ rules for ‘special’ circumstances.

The SSUSA believes:

• Qualified teams should participate with the same roster, or as close as reasonably possible, to the roster used when they participated in the tournament designated as their ‘qualifying roster’ . There is a ‘level playing field’ and rating integrity only if there is continuity in roster composition from the qualifying roster to the SSWC roster;
• Due to a variety of legitimate circumstances, some teams may not be able to bring the exact same players to the SSWC who were on their qualifying roster;
• There be provisions in the rules to fairly address the roster issues facing some teams; and
• Any team participating in the SSWC with ‘roster exemption players’ should have up to five reserves available on their roster. Thus, teams that add players, and normally play with 10 defensive players, will have a roster limit of 15 players, and teams that normally play with 11 defensive players will have a roster limit of 16 players. NOTE: A qualified team may have more than 15/16 players, up to 20, on its SSWC roster if the team is NOT adding ‘roster exemption players’ for the SSWC.

“Special Roster Rules” For Men’s and Women’s Divisions:

• If a qualified team has at least 15 (or 16, depending on the number of defensive players normally used) from the original qualifying roster planning on attending the SSWC, the team is prohibited from adding ‘roster exemption players’;
NOTE: Roster exemption players must be otherwise eligible, meaning being currently registered with SSUSA, in the applicable age group and geographically eligible with respect to the team seeking to add player(s).;
• If a qualified team's roster falls below 12/13 players, the team MAY APPLY TO ADD players until it reaches the 12/13 player level. These players must be from the SAME age group in the SAME or LOWER skill level. Managers must APPLY to SSUSA for approval of these players in writing, preferably by e-mail, before October 1st. These players are approved or not approved on an individual basis;
• If a qualified team's roster is at or above the 12/13 limit, but below the 15/16 limit, the team will be able to add players until it reaches the 15/16 player level. These players must be from the next OLDER age group in the SAME or LOWER skill level. Managers must notify SSUSA in writing, preferably by e-mail, before October 1st, of the players the team is adding;
• Managers may also request to add players who are regular members of the team, but were not able to attend the team’s designated qualifying tournament. Managers must APPLY to SSUSA for approval of these players in writing before October 1st. These players are approved or not approved on an individual basis;
• Any player from the original qualifying roster not planning to attend the SSWC and who’s spot on the SSWC roster was filled by a ‘roster exemption player’ is considered removed from the qualifying roster. That player is not eligible to participate in the SSWC unless a recently added ‘roster exemption player’ is removed from the SSWC roster and the original player is reinstated to both rosters, thereby maintaining the 15/16 player roster limit;
• Men’s 40-Masters, Men’s 80's and all Major Plus participating teams are exempt from these “Special Roster Rules” and are subject to the normal roster and player eligibility rules; and
• Women’s teams will be given broad latitude when ‘roster exemption player’ requests are received due to the unique player eligibility criteria employed in the Women’s Division.
Oct. 8, 2009
taits
Men's 65
4387 posts
The rules as written do not say anything about the bordering states. which is one of their main contentions in almost everything they write tournaments..
I guess players are could be "depending" allowed to by pass that depending on who they are, or the "circumstances" That make hypocrisy of the whole thing.
But either way the way I read these are the date is past for adding, the levels are off and do telling about the persons age, or how many players are already rostered. But I do not believe you qualify or even close.
Maybe everyone could qualify under the "exemption" or 'special" rules sections...
IMO, too many aspects of the games are becoming a farce.
But I think if you go & play there with them, it will cause even more problems for everyone.
Either that or go & play and the team becomes an exhibition team, and those playing against them get an automatic win, score one for them...
Oct. 8, 2009
PlanoPlayer
Men's 55
71 posts
Here you go taits:

13.1 (2) Team Regions of SSWC
A. Bordering States Rule (see Adjoining State List - page 105:
All 50-70 teams may be composed of players from states or
neighboring states.

There absolutely is a rule about bordering states and it is there for good reason. I am pretty sure SSUSA does not want a national team of all stars to dominate any division.
Oct. 8, 2009
PlanoPlayer
Men's 55
71 posts
The complete list of applicable bordering states is on page 105 and 106 of the SSUSA 2009 rule book.
Oct. 8, 2009
SLOBALL1
Men's 50
173 posts
Taits. If you read from SSUSA staff thread above -it does say in the NOTE: paragraph
player must be "geographically eligble"
Oct. 8, 2009
taits
Men's 65
4387 posts
Your both right, I stand corrected... and I'm sure will be again down the line. Didn't go through book like I usually do...
I posted it anyway at top, but trying to make point on post about it, which failed. didn't catch the geographically eligible part...
At least I could admit it....
Oct. 8, 2009
starry17
4 posts
WOW!I'm glad yall got it all figured out. I just wanted to talk to the guy and find out where he was from and if we could make this work. Apparently not. Thanks for hard work guys.
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