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Oct. 12, 2009
RedEye
Men's 60
92 posts
Ohio Senior Player Injured
Just wanted to report to anyone on here who might know old man Joe Merritt from our team Geddis Roofing, Century 21, and also Schones Chiropractor was injured pitching today for us in Indy at Midwest on the astro turf field.

This happened around 4 this afternoon, Joe took a shot to his face and left eye. It is 11:15 now and they just took him to surgery for his eye, we are at St. Vincent hospital in Indy.

The doctors have told us that he is most likely going to lose his vision in his left eye, they also will have to repair bone structure around the socket. Joe is also my father-in-law so its real tough to see him go thru this, but for those of you who know Joe he is a tough s.o.b. He refused to have his UA shirt and our team jersey cut off so they had to force it over his head to get it off!! Also had to get his stomach pumped from all the blood he has swalloed.

Surgery will take a few hours and then a day or 2 here at the hospital before he can go back to Columbus.

If your the praying type Joe could use it along with his wife Pam. Joe works for the railroad and this injury will probably cause early retirement, its amazing how one ball up the middle can change so many things for a family that quick.

I for one would like to see a mask of some sort on all of you guys that pitch, its just not worth what the family is going thru tonight over softball.
Oct. 12, 2009
taits
Men's 65
4387 posts
Reading this I can once again relate to what he is going through. Chance are, his zygomatic arch was fractured. I've had me right one broken twice. Have a small plate in there from the first one and got whacked again and since my vision was about the same just let it go. I Couldn't see going through another operation.
I hope he doesn't loose the vision. I lost some but was correctable to fairly close...
PPR really would not have helped him here if it was used. I hope he is able to return to the game later in his same position, that's what I play also.
Oct. 12, 2009
JamesLG
303 posts

Hi Redeye:

I have never met Joe but we all wish him the best recovery possible. We all take a risk when playing the game but the exposure a pitcher has is just too much for my taste.

Thank You:

James
Oct. 12, 2009
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
The best to Joe Merrit with my prayers
and best wishes for him, his family
and recovery.
Masks is a good idea,
screens is OK, too.
Higher arc would help.
Wider pitching rubber
and larger plate,
all would help keep injuries
to a minimum.
Going to a shitty ball
makes our game shitty, too.
Oct. 12, 2009
butch17
Men's 55
415 posts
REDEYE,

Sorry to hear about Joe. Tell him and Pam we are hoping for a speedy recovery and everything comes out as it should with his eye. Please keep us informed as everyone of you Schones players are like teammates to me.

And Joe this was NOT the time or place for your ball comment!!!!!!!!

Butch Drake Travelodge 55
Oct. 12, 2009
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Sorry Butch.
I didn't mean to make anyone feel bad.
I was backing up James' comment
that the game has to be "dangerous"
and didn't want the crappy ball
hyenas to jump
on Joe's injury to forward their agenda
as has been done before.
I've had both arms broken
and my chin split while pitching
and am certainly qualified to express
my opinion.
Oct. 12, 2009
butch17
Men's 55
415 posts
einstein,

Thats okay. I have been to hospital a few times myself from pitching. Eye stitched and 2 cut ons after to remove cysts that formed in the injury and leg to remove dead tissue from being hit so I also am an authority on the subject and just thought your comment was self serving.
Oct. 12, 2009
butch17
Men's 55
415 posts
But this thread is about Joe Merritt not you and me.

Butch
Oct. 12, 2009
mad dog
Men's 60
3936 posts
hi butch whats up,don't know mr merritt,but hope for a speedy recovery for him.miss ya here in st george.
Oct. 13, 2009
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2663 posts
Best wishes and a speedy recover for Joe.
Oct. 13, 2009
RedEye
Men's 60
92 posts
FROM COLUMBUS, OHIO MESSAGE BOARD
(This was a NSA "D" World Tourney NOT a Senior event)

Well 1st off no dirt all turf infield...it took a very bad hop off turf came up & got him right in the eye he had sunglasses on and they went flying into pieces..it happened so quick..there was a full count on batter w/no free foul..we were playing a 5 man infield on dirt it would of been dbl play but it hit somehing in front of mound on turf and shoot right up..
Joe got out of surgery around 2 this morning, everything went well. Eye surgeon doesn't think he will regain his vision in that eye, he will have another surgery next friday. Its been a long night, thanks for the prayers and calls
Joe is on his way home. He seems to be in good spirits. 10-11-09
Oct. 13, 2009
Garocket
Men's 55
155 posts
Einstein is a self centered prick. Like it was said above, maybe not more injuries but a lot more severe. I have been hit on the shins and in the side of the head back when the balls were a lot less compressed and the bats were not as hot.
But an object that is harder and trveling at a much faster rate of speed creates a lot more dangerous collision.

A car going 30 hitting a solid wall and a car going 50 is a big difference.
I know Joe will have a come back because his personality is one of argument and he has to have the last word cause he thinks he is the softball god and what he says should be rule
Oct. 13, 2009
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Don't you love guys/gals
who attack someone personally
and don't have the stones
to stand in and up for themselves?

I'm single minded about
this bat/ball thing
because I discovered as small cadre
of hustlers trying to change our game
for the worse
who define themselves as not liking
or respecting senior softball
a game I and many love to play
and are trying to change it and us
for their profit and well being.
I get more attaboy, joes
and keep after 'em joe's
everytime I step on a field
and will not relent against as small
group of powerful and influential
self seekers who would destroy our game
and laugh about it afterwards.
We want good bats/balls
to play with so we can have fun.
We don't want home runs to be outs.
If you care about safety as you
say you do
masks, screens, changing pitching
parameters are ways of going
that don't involve anyone cornering
the marketplace at our expense
but these things are never advanced
by this small cadre of confederates.
If I keep exposing these self seekers
and their obvious self interest
more and more real players
and participants will get what's really going on.
There, I've said it again.
Oct. 13, 2009
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Again,
if you want an example of what
most seniors want/expect from senior ball
it's alive and well at LVSSA.
As Elvis sung,
Viva, Las Vegas.
Oct. 13, 2009
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Here's a thought. Only play LVSSA events, then you will always get what you want.

Some of us play for the competition, not just to see how far and hard we can hit a ball thanks to someone else's R & D and technology. If that is what gets you off, and at your age I am sure getting off is a BIIIG challenge, just go to home run derbies. Or just take BP with whatever friends you might have.

Have you noticed your demented ramblings have not changed a thing?
Oct. 13, 2009
Al33
Men's 55
183 posts
Ahh! Another country heard from (Garocket). I've read all your posts. 90% of them are about Rock-N-Roll trivia and most of the others contain profanity. There's no room on this web-site for the use of profanity whether you agree with someone or not. Two suggestions for you. 1) Keep the profanity to yourself. 2) Stick to Rock-N-Roll trivia because you obviously aren't well versed in Senior Softball. Better yet, do us all a favor and give up Senior Softball.
Oct. 13, 2009
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Al, I agree. Maybe he should keep his profanity confined to private emails like your boy Gump, errrrrrrrr "einstein", does.
Oct. 13, 2009
tattooball
620 posts
What did I miss? Wow, I must be young at 48 I didn't know prick was a dirty word. I'm glad I don't type like I talk, I would be banned by now.
Oct. 13, 2009
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Where do you draw the line? Are there any conclusive studies that show pitchers get hit in the face anymore than first or third basemen?
Oct. 13, 2009
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2663 posts
That's good Kevin! I too, went back to read Garocket's post and chuckled some at his "profanity". I expected to read much worse.
Oct. 13, 2009
mad dog
Men's 60
3936 posts
bruce and kevin,i did the same,and was trying to find all the profanity.guess i'm getting to old to know what it is anymore.

its not they are getting hit more,its how bad the injuries are when they do get hit.
Oct. 13, 2009
Omar Khayyam
999 posts
mad dog, I think it is logical that players ARE getting hit more often—pitchers and corner infielders especially. If a ball is coming at you faster than your reflexes can get your glove up or you can duck or jump, then you are going to get hit. Hotter bats, firm balls—you're talking about more ball speed through the infield.

Secondly, tweak GArocket's analogy a bit and have the same car hitting you at 15 vs 30 miles per hour. At 15, you might be able to dodge it. If it does hit you, you'll get some bruises. At 30, if you're hit, there will be broken bones, not bruises.

Back to the beginning of this thread, I am sad to hear of any pitcher injured. I usually feel safer on artificial turf than dirt when it comes to bad bounces, but what a price to pay for recreation. Get well soon, Joe Merritt; the prayers and best wishes of many are with you and praying against the initial sad diagnosis about your eye.
Oct. 13, 2009
mad dog
Men's 60
3936 posts
omar most prolly are,but not reported on.the ones that get reported are the real serious ones.bunch of us here at the huntsman games were talking and are finding our bat speeds are still real good,but our reflexs for fielding have gone down,so more shin shots on the infield and such.its one of the reasons i won't be a complainer if we do go to a safer ball,and at 59 i still pitch for the kids and consider myself with pretty good reflexs still.
Oct. 14, 2009
salio2k
Men's 60
548 posts
Good reflexes? Wait until next year when you will be really old!
Oct. 14, 2009
salio2k
Men's 60
548 posts
Joe Merrit.......hope you heal soon and get back you vision. Best wishes from the west coast.
Oct. 14, 2009
Garocket
Men's 55
155 posts
Einstien where are all your supporters at
Don't see many

You keep saying that people want to make money of safer balls, I cannot see that the TD still has to buy the balls makes no difference how safe or unsafe it is. If you are as good as you think you are, then you could hit the safer balls over a 300 ft fence . If only the homerun hitters hit homeruns then there would be no need for a homerun to be an out. But it is ridiculous that every team until you get to the 70s have 4-5 that can go yard with the new balls and bats. And the pitchers and infielders are in danger cause you want this to happen so Little ol Joe can hit a towering homerun and stick his chest out and strut his stuff, Makes me sick to see people like that.
I have played more than likely more softball than most people on here. I have hit my share of homeruns back when it meant something. I have played some senior ball and most of the guys that I play with wants safety first. The league that I play in you can only use metal bats no compsites and no double walls with a 44/375 ball. Guess what I still hit homeruns. and have a great time. I agree I don't hit as many as I do with the U2 but have lots more fun hitting a homerun that most people can't and it makes for some of the most fun games I play in. And once again I SAY Einstien you are on an EGO trip beyond belief if you think the majority does not want a safer ball

and by the way Joe in todays society the word
PRICK is slang for one ego maniac that thinks he is always right, and does not listen to reason and is always running off at the mouth so someone will give him the attention that he craves, because he knows most people do not like him or her
Oct. 14, 2009
tattooball
620 posts
See I didn't think it was a bad word.
Oct. 14, 2009
Jawood
Men's 50
798 posts
I hate to see this continue to happen. We all (the majority) want to keep our ball and bats. The bottom line is the pitchers are too much at risk, there is not enough time to react. Safety should not even be debated. Pitcher screens are needed, I wish we didn't have to because it does take away from the game some, but there is no choice. Let's get it done for next season!
Oct. 14, 2009
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Some of you guys will never get it. You won't (can't?) give up your special bats and the liveliest ball you can find, yet claim to care about safety, and now you want to make the infield look like a miniature golf hole with obstacles on it.

Pathetic, just so you can feel like a man and hit homers with others' R&D. Have some pride, guys.
Oct. 14, 2009
db14
91 posts
DIRTY... Sorry but i must have missed it......or it was my over sight but what recent tournament experience have you had that remotely qualifies you to offer any educated input to these discussions? Last i knew city leagues (of which you claim to participate) play primarily ASA ball.....Give it a rest. It is the 21st Century either lead, follow or get out of the way.
Oct. 14, 2009
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
I haven't played ASA in probably 3 years, have been playing senior rules for last 5.

What am I supposed to follow? Hypocrits who want to be "big men" and hit home runs with special bats while they claim to care about safety? Guys who want to turn the infield into a miniature golf hole.

Truth is I am fine using the special bats, and pitching while other guys use them. But PLEASE don't try and tell me I am going to have to dress like a hockey goalie, or stand behind a miniature golf obstacle.

All I ask is (a) don't be hypocrits and (b) don't try to change my rules for the sake of your misguided egos. That's it.
Oct. 14, 2009
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Ga-rocket.
Do you think any self respecting
senior softball players
care about or would listen
to you PERSONALLY attack me or
anyone else without standing in
or up for you comments?
You sir or madam, are a coward
and the great majority of my senior colleagues are not and would find you to be one.
Still disagree with me?
Do you think any self respecting senior player would give your comments
any credence at all coming from behind
some curtain or skirt or wall?

If you think so we have a very different
view of the majority of seniors
who play softball and there lies
the nature of your inability to get
or believe what it is I'm all about.
Seems as though you found a supporter
though, in Kevin but when you really listen to him that does make a lot of sense.
Oct. 14, 2009
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
For the record,
our game, the senior game
is about fun.
It's fun hitting a good ball,
fast and/or far
with a good bat and it's not just fun
it's ESSENTIAl to having fun.
The new safer balls stink
and would destroy our game.
90 per cent.
Is that a majority?
Maybe not to some but
90 per cent of the seniors who hit
the safe ball in Oakdale, California
hated it.
TD's will make more money if
lesser and less balls go over the fence
and innings go faster and more games
and teams can be scheduled
meaning more and more money.
A marketeer is trying to corner the market so all associations will want to/
have to buy his balls and he's very good at it and at our expense.
We don't need to hit rockets
but we need to hit good balls
with good bats.
This is the undeniable mantra
of true senior players.
Still disagree?
If we don't stand up for ourselves
the standard for senior balls
which has been dropping steadily
and not by accident for the last couple of years will continue to drop
till we reach that piece of crap
275 x 52 ball they were trying to foist
on us this year.
Still disagree?
If so, you're a fool at best.
Oct. 14, 2009
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Maybe I am just old-fashioned, but winning is the only essential to my fun. I guess I am from the Herm Edwards school of sports.
Oct. 14, 2009
neck10
498 posts
if wearing pads is for sissy's why do they do it in the NFL ????
Oct. 15, 2009
#19
Men's 60
252 posts
Garocket... I see you have met the message board bully... And I see that he is still being allowed to use his empty argument concerning his inability to access your private information... Don't fall for it... If he has something to say to you, make him do so publicly... He has a history... Beyond that, you seem to have him pegged pretty well, based on some of your previous posts.
Oct. 15, 2009
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Just beware that "einstein" has a tendency to find your email address, and then proceed to send you a series of very vulgar and profane emails.

And this guy was an "educator"??? Yea, sure.
Oct. 15, 2009
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
neck, please tell me that last post was your attempt at a joke. Comparing the NFL to senior freakin' softball. Do you even have a high school diploma?
Oct. 17, 2009
pushin60
Men's 60
63 posts
Gary, you seem to be regaining your old "edge". You off the meds again?
Oct. 17, 2009
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
I'll take that as a compliment. :)

But that was a horrrrrrible analogy.
Oct. 17, 2009
taits
Men's 65
4387 posts
Bi Polarism, and one of over 125 medications for it... lol
One Nasty sickness. I know if first hand.
But i think it's just his norm.
Oct. 17, 2009
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
No, it's not that bad. :)

But I don't get the hypocrisy of middle-age guys acting like they care about safety while insisting on using bats that guys under 50 aren't allowed to use, just so they can feel good about how hard and far someone else's technology lets them hit the ball. I wonder how many of these Miken-hitters ever pick up a weight in the off-season.
Oct. 17, 2009
taits
Men's 65
4387 posts
Gary, didn't think it was but why think I was referring to you?
I partly agree on the other not all because I like what is the best to use and want to protect my ass in the process when out there. Age and agility are factors for many with or without some limitations. But given they are in the "line of fire" let them choose what to wear or not. Under 50 are not seniors. They are what is called 'masters' but I doubt they "mastered" the game by definition. Just younger aged divisions to bring in more revenue for the assn.
I don't use weight any more can't (torn rotator and bicept tendon one each arm) But I hit about 1-200 balls a week to keep in shape that way.
Heck just go out and worry about yourself, no one else. They won't worry about you either or anyway.
Oct. 17, 2009
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Scott, it was because pushin60 brought up me and meds, and then you mentioned medication, and I just made a connection. If I was wrong, my bad!

Scott, if we are all using there same there is no need to use the best. In that case it is our abilities that will determine who wins, and I don't know about you but that is why I play. If I just want to see how far I can hit a ball with someone else's technology I will just take BP. I play games to win.

I am not worried about others, that is their job, I just don't want guys pushing silly rules on the rest of us because some old guys are insecure about how they would hit a ball if they couldn't use their special bats.
Oct. 17, 2009
taits
Men's 65
4387 posts
This is all off thread topic.
Oct. 17, 2009
Stretch14
Men's 50
186 posts
If you don't like how the game is played,take some time off.
Oct. 18, 2009
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Not sure who you are referring to, Stretch. I like the game the way it was intended to be played, but screens and PPRs is NOT how the game was intended. No way!
Oct. 18, 2009
Stretch14
Men's 50
186 posts
I'm referring to all the people who don't like playing by the rules they have now. SSUSA needs help. They are under staff at times and that's the way it goes. I took time off this year. Different reasons. Miss most of the guys but you have to stand up for what you think is right. I sleep real good at night. I miss the game but oh well.
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