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Oct. 12, 2009
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
When is old enough to shave?
Just got off the phone with the infamous
Stoneman and we were talking about
shaved/altered bats in seniors.
It's still my contention that they
are hardly present due to how much
pop they have but he thinks more and more guys are altering senior bats.
Is this really a problem in seniors?
I don't think so but what do you say?
What I DO know is that guys
want to hit balls fast and far.
It's a congenital condition
common to most ball players
and if you dumb down balls
and/or restrict bats
like ASA does/did
then you open the door to bat doctors
and illegal equipment.
Gary Tryhorn has said for years
that letting us use Ultra 2's
is the way to keep illegal bats
out of seniors hands.
Personally, I don't care about rolled
bats as they just help a bat break in
and don't alter its leverage point,
end load or wall thickness.
We want/need/deserve and will get
good bats/balls for seniors
and everyone needs to sit up, take notice and not do stupid things
to jeopardize the good time
had by all.
Oct. 12, 2009
mad dog
Men's 60
3921 posts
joe,rolling is illegal first off,and it does help a bat out by enlarging the sweet spot of a bat,that can't be done with bp.so when you go from a 4" SS(normal) to a 10" SS that makes a bat perform better on mishits when it shouldn't.and i would say yes,there is altered bats being used in senior ball,most are being endloaded tho.
Oct. 12, 2009
butch17
Men's 55
415 posts
mad dog,

How is St.George? Hope you are doing well. miss playing but had too much work to get caught up on. Maybe we can hook up next year.

Butch
Oct. 12, 2009
mad dog
Men's 60
3921 posts
doing ok butch,made 2 outs so far in 4 games(1 was a sac fly),only 1 hr tho.got to play team salsa today,can they hit,woldyke,reedus and a couple of others.good luck in phx if your going.
Oct. 13, 2009
DoubleL10
Men's 65
797 posts
Bob, Is Team Salsa the team Rob Hollingsworth of OK is on. Rob manages/plays with Touch of Grey in the 40s.
Oct. 13, 2009
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Hey Robert,
You said there are altered bats being used
in Senior ball and most are end loaded?
How many or what percentage of all of us
would you say are using them?
Oct. 13, 2009
mad dog
Men's 60
3921 posts
larry not sure,i don't know rob.these guys are from mich area,they basically are gekle(sp) and others from the area.

einstein,it's the same % that agrees to the unsafe ball and bat combo that you want.
Oct. 14, 2009
salio2k
Men's 60
548 posts
einstein..........just look in the bat racks at the tournaments. Trumpball sells a lot of endloaded bats, eliminating the need to remove rods from U2's to make them endloaded.
Oct. 14, 2009
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
I wasn't trying to trap you Robert
into saying anything incriminating.
I'm just curious as to what anyone thinks the percentage of seniors that use
illegal bats.
1, 10, 20 50 or more.
What do you think?
What does anyone think?
Sal.
I have always liked hitting Combats.
The more end loaded the better for me.
Oct. 14, 2009
mad dog
Men's 60
3921 posts
well i figured that since you refuse to tell me what your % of players are with you,on the hit the hottest stuff around and be damned about safety tirade you like to throw out there,why should i try to come up with a number.
Oct. 14, 2009
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Dog.
It's GOOD balls and GOOD bats.
The drive to neuter them and us
has already taken us below the line
of enjoyment.
Like trying out that pathetic
52x275 ball in Oakdale, California
this year.
There's 5 teams worth of seniors
who said they'd never play another game
if that ball gets introduced.
Single wall bats x 47-525 balls
is what we don't want to go below.
My equipment doesn't have to be the hottest.
It needs to be good, real good.
(and it is).
Oct. 14, 2009
Mr. Manassas
223 posts
My two cents.....There definitely is altered bats in "every" level of softball. People are looking for the "edge" and they are willing to cheat to do it! I am not against good equipment! But I will not quit if the ball or bat is not quite up to my standards and for those that threaten to quit........quit!!!

Oct. 14, 2009
mad dog
Men's 60
3921 posts
well my guess is that you don't want speed limits on our highways,b/c they make them safer,einstein.is that what you want.
Oct. 14, 2009
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Remember, Dog,
when the speed limit was lowered
to 55 mph because it would save so many lives and gasoline?
It did but was changed
back to 65 and 70.
Why?
Same idea.
Oct. 15, 2009
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2583 posts
Mad Dog (Bob), when I read your reply my thoughs were about the 55mph speed limit, just like einstein's.
I'm not against limits, just very, very low limits.
Remember when the speed limit was 55? How dangerous was it for you to be doing 55 and have someone pass you doing 80? We can compare this to us using ASA bats and some using doctored bats. Talk about dangerous!
Oct. 15, 2009
Mr. Manassas
223 posts
Bruce,

I just think that some standard has to be applied that is reasonable. do not know what that is. I definitely like the feel of hitting with the senior bats, we just have to make it safer some how..
Oct. 15, 2009
#19
Men's 60
252 posts
Quit???... Bull----!!!... That's a complete crock!... Some may not like it, but the vast majority would continue to play... You know that, and we know that!
Oct. 15, 2009
mad dog
Men's 60
3921 posts
not what i said,do away with all limits,not just stop at 65,70 or 75 in some states.i can the the limit now and still get passed by cars and trucks doing well over the speed limit.the 55 limit was put in to save gas not lives at the time it was instituted,then the ins company's got in on it.

ok now since this topic is on bad bats,what about bad players,aka steroids and HGH,etc.is that ok in our sport.
Oct. 15, 2009
Lecak
Men's 55
1004 posts
Here would be my opinion on Steroids etc. If someone wants to first break the law by taking a controlled substance without a proper prescription then they are breaking the law I do believe. And if some knucklehead wants to put junk in their system to hit a softball farther by all means knock yourself out.

Bob did you see George in Utah? I hit with him this past weekend he really looked good.
Oct. 15, 2009
Mr. Manassas
223 posts
Absolutely not!!!! The additives have corrupted all sports and I am not talking about records. A number of people have sold their souls to hit a softball farther and itis crazy!! They have gambled on their health and some have paid with their lives. I lost one of my softball buddies a few years ago to the abuse of steroids!!
Oct. 15, 2009
mad dog
Men's 60
3921 posts
hi lecak,whats up.yeah seen george, and the 50 team i was on had to play them in seeding.wally leading off for them hit one down onto the soccer field from field 1.i asked him what the heck was he doing,playing already,LOL.he has lost a little stength but looked good.
Oct. 15, 2009
butch17
Men's 55
415 posts
mad dog,

If you see George again tell him I said hi and to take it easy.

Butch Drake
Oct. 15, 2009
mad dog
Men's 60
3921 posts
butch, they left yesterday(team salsa).they didn't have anyone in m+ to play,so they got 5 games total(2 mon,1 tues,2 wed)and were declared M+ champ. i get to play both weeks next yr(turn 60 in jan),so looking to do 50,55,60 next yr.
Oct. 16, 2009
Swampy
24 posts
I would hate to see if Wally was at full strength. I observed Wally play in the Huntsman and Vegas the previous week. I have yet to see anyone hit one longer than the bombs he hit.

After the first two games played in Utah, they were moved to other diamond because they didn't want him to hit the kids while they were on recess.
Oct. 16, 2009
mad dog
Men's 60
3921 posts
swampy its george i'm talking bout,woldyke was at full strenght and wow.he hit 2 down onto the soccer field in our game monday on field 1 at cnayons at the huntsman.
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