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Discussion: At last, A Ball Solution

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Oct. 28, 2009
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
At last, A Ball Solution
Stoneman, whom I've said before
not only loves softball but has been studying balls and effects for years now
and who was present both weekends
in Phoenix like I was
where the ball, Trump Stote 375 x 44,
performed well at 85 degrees
and not so well at 100,
has helped me to what seems to be
something we all can get behind.
Kevin makes a microcell 44x375/400 ball
that would perform like the Stote Ball
used in the second weekend
regardless of the temperature.
I had my misgivings about the microcell
ball in the beginning but have come
to support it as probably the best ball solution for seniors.
It hits well in all temps,
fields OK to good,
throws OK to good
and feels, for pitching, fabulous.
This ball is a step down from the Vegas ball which I loved but hits well enough
to be endorsed by all.
Stoneman says it costs only 2 dollars
more a dozen but to me and the TD's,
that should be well worth it
to keep us happy.
44x375/400 microcell ball by Kevin
at Anaconda sports gets my vote
at present for the best of both worlds
ball for seniors.
I still like the great balls at LVSSA
and won't miss those tournaments
for anything next year
but we should never hit less than
the performance of Trump's microcell
44x375/400 for only 2 bucks more
a dozen.
Terry, are you listening?
Oct. 28, 2009
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
He/We/I/Most everyone tuned you out on this a loooong time ago.
Oct. 28, 2009
Jano23
Men's 50
95 posts
"Most everyone"?
You must be joking, after all your problems with Einstein's (legitimate) claims to represent the majority of senior softball players.
Oct. 28, 2009
Jano23
Men's 50
95 posts
Gary19/TheNextGeneration/Dirty: It seems that since some jackals (e.g., mad dog & garocket) happen to temporarily agree with you (inexplicably, since you don't play in senior tournaments), you feel empowered to attack the status quo.
By the way, why do you have a history of at least three screen names?
Is there some revealing history that explains this?
I think that SSUSA's current bat and ball combos are excellent, but I am open to Einstein's suggested modifications.
Oct. 29, 2009
mad dog
Men's 65
3958 posts
jano,you need to do some research before you start grouping people.first off you have no clue about me and what i'm about,find any post where i agree with dirty.all my concerns on here are about safety of the senior ball player.if you want to be like joe and see people die (or seriously injured)b/c its gonna happen,than go ahead and start your own extreme softball assoc.

joe you are quoting stoney now,huh,well its stoneman's research that has proved that the 44-375 ball is very dangerous to the human body if hit by this ball,but i guess that doesn't count in your mind,why don't you quote that.now you have your jackals (well 1)attacking people and them accusing people (well 3)of ganging up on you,oh you poor thing.you jumped me for wanting to use the MCT ball(wasn't good to throw,didn't sound good when hit,to soft to the feel),now your all for it,COME ON MAN,get some stones and have one thought and not waver,your as bad as a politician,change your mind to get the vote,or follow the money for the vote.you do know none of this comes up if you had not started crying about balls.
Oct. 29, 2009
Rudy
Men's 55
24 posts
Einstein, Mad Dog:

I think I would pay money to see you two meet face to face. With the venom you are throwing at each other, I don't think it would be long before the action would start. This is very entertaining.
Oct. 29, 2009
taits
Men's 65
4403 posts
New box assn office fee (fund) raiser: Senior Softball Unlimited Fight Night err Discussion Night.
But when, just in case: right after the Thurs night mgrs meeting, before the pool play games, after them or what? Tough decision given one might get injured here and not be able to attend the games.
Hope it doesn't come down to this.
Oct. 29, 2009
Jano23
Men's 50
95 posts
Mad dog and Garocket, I apologize for the jackals "blast".
Oct. 29, 2009
mad dog
Men's 65
3958 posts
jano no prol,i'm only posting about one thing and that is safety for our game,if it takes a change in balls to do it,well then i would be in favor of it,just my opinion,but some people want to make it personal at me.i have not one thing to do with any mfg or ball maker,or any thing in the future pending.i just want us to be able to play without fear of our lives(which our present bat/ball combo presents)or real serious injury.to me if that is only one person that is one to many.yes i can agree we are suspect to be hurt playing,but why make it even more dangerous for us.all other sports i know of have seen fit to improve the safety factor in thier sports,why not senior softball.like i sadi just my opinion,thanks for listening.
Oct. 29, 2009
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
sad dog, you should have quit while you were ahead with someone grouping you with me. Now you just look like your usual belligerant a-hole self.

Though at least you are making some good points.
Oct. 31, 2009
Jano23
Men's 50
95 posts
Mad dog,
My position is that things are very nice the way they are. Your position is that things should be changed. Why should _I_ have to leave and start an "extreme softball assoc."? I suggest that if you don't like SSUSA softball, it would be more appropriate for _you_ to start a new association or join a wood bat and sock league.
It seems I disagree with almost every post you make. Your desire to eliminate courtesy runners because it is annoying for you to try to throw out fast runners all the time is ridiculous. Also, for a person whose "number one priority" is safety, why would you want to force people who are unfit to run to run the bases? Your drug testing idea was incredible! Things ain't broken. Please stop trying to fix them. We have enough of that going on in the country generally.
Hope your rain ends soon. :-)
Oct. 31, 2009
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Right on Jano.
We want our game back from those
self interested marketers and TD's
who thought/think of their
self interest before ours
and have been trying to redesign our game for us in line with their bottom line, money.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist
to figure this out and
our game wasn't/isn't broken
and we don't want or need it fixed.

We want to hit with lively balls
and bats a la LVSSA this year
because it's big fun and we deserve it.
They used rules the suit us,
our rightful wants and needs
and no one was hurt badly
or unusually
from a batted ball.
We had a blast and said
over and over that this
should be the model for senior tournaments.

We're being told our game
is too dangerous and it is not.
We're being told that hitting a ball
hard and fast isn't integral to the enjoyment of our game and that's not true, either.
We're being told that we are full of bat cheaters and there's no other way to save or control or game than dumbing
down the ball, killing it
and neutering us
and this just isn't the case.

I'm upset and don't like to be
manipulated and lied to against
my own best interest
by people not interested in me
but wanting to take my money
whether their TD's or manufacturers or marketeers.
It brings out the worst in me smf
makes me hopping mad
when they don't listen or want to do
what it is we're telling them
showing them what
we really want, need and deserve.
All they have to do is ask,
watch and listen
and they would know.

I have found
the majority of players
I see, play and talk with
fundamentally agree with me
and I won't stop pursuing
what I feel is truly in our best interest irrespective of threats to me
of any kind or name calling or personal disrespect by anyone.
I welcome anyone who wants to make it personal with me to bring it on
and I'll do my best
not to disappoint them.
But none of this changes
what has happened to our game
who's responsible
and our own responsibility to ourselves,
fellow players, investment of time and money and our rightful enjoyment
playing a game we love to play.
I'll take off line as much as possible
my personal reactions to and with those
who have or wish to make it personal with me or I with them
and will spare as much as possible the web site and my fellow players from personal wars.

We want to play with lively, good balls
that don't wilt in the sun,
with HR's as singles and not outs,
and don't need or want an unenforcible
PPR rule which doesn't deter
a la Bill Ruth, a pitcher getting hit in the face by a ball.
We want and will play with lively balls
and good bats because
there's no legitimate reason
why we can't.









Nov. 1, 2009
mad dog
Men's 65
3958 posts
jano,your kidding right.i get called a name by your buddy and its my fault.i have only asked for one thing here,and that is to make our game a little safer and saner.all other sports do it,they see something dangerous and they address it.PPR doesn't do it,unlimited hrs don't do it,safer equipment does,aka no senior bats(keep your ball if ya like,but get rid of the bats).personally i play in the other assoc's and ya know what,it is fun to play defence,unlike senior ball,where a ball is hit so fast that A) you don't see it or B) its hit so hard you can't react to it and someone gets hurt,like what can happen to pitchers.what is so wrong in wanting to live.would you go play paintball against someone who is carrying a 45 instead of a paintball gun,don't think so.
there is the cry that a certain mfg has it in for us seniors by tring to sell us a ball that is no good,that is BS and we all know it,but this person persist in spreading this rumor.the only ball that was attempt to be changed to"drum roll please" was the MCT about a yr or so ago,but was decided not to use by who"us seniors",well not me as i've been using it here in texas for over 2 yrs now,but when i came on here to tell people how good it was when they complain about balls they were using in the heat,i was laughed off.but hey now it is the best thing since sliced bread according to the "NAYSAYERS" that told me no,but hell no.so how can i take anything you all say with out wondering when you will change your mind again.
COME ON MAN
Nov. 1, 2009
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Wait until gump starts sending you emails. THEN you will see what kind of names the low-life is capable of calling.
Nov. 1, 2009
taits
Men's 65
4403 posts
I for one have received many emails from Joe and never have I received one as you describe.

Was there a full moon out last night or something?

Anyway, I'm for the existing balls or better like we had in the better days of game play. Which ever it is, both teams will be using it in the same temp, so that "equals out", that part of the game.

As for bats, the 1.20 senior bat are fine.

ASA started the BS with bats and balls, but like some they only go on make game play worse with rule changes and limits. Then went on to moved the bar another notch with roster and rankings changes they do not really adhere to with real rationale or verification.
It's an Animal House rendition of the "game" we play. No one will take or receive the credit nor take or share any of the blame. They remain silent (a two edged sword) silence is both an admission and a "smart" out without admission to some degree, kinda like taking the 5th amendment.
Nov. 1, 2009
pushin60
Men's 60
63 posts
Gary, no one has to wait to get his or her own emails from him. They can read the ones you get from him on this message board when you post them. His messages to you were an attempt to get the ridiculous pissing match between the two of you off the board and out of our faces. You are the one that foisted it on us by pasting them on the board. (Personally, I think you did that because it scared you that he was able to get your email address, and you wanted to everyone to know in case he showed up on your doorstep foaming at the mouth.) As it is, his decision to take it off the board is just about the only thing that I have ever agreed with him about. You have no business commenting or lobbying about changes in our game, or calling people names because you donít play. Why not just stay away from the board like you stay away from the fields. Youíve been kicked off other boards (and this one twice) and I think the only reason SSUSA lets you stay here now is that they like the fact that you harp at him, their perceived ball nemesis. Do everyone a favor and just go away.
Nov. 1, 2009
softball1980
Men's 50
15 posts
drama drama drama gentleman please grow up and act your age , everyone stop whining about things you have no control over. i have been playing for 30 years and just started playing in senior leagues and this is ridiculous . if you are a ball player ,the ball should not matter, the bat should not matter,safety should be first, fun should be second.i am very very very competitive player myself and hate losing.i am a commissioner for a association and a league and i like to have everything as competitive as possible ,but not at the risk of my fellow players,and playing as sportsman should also be pointed out here. some of you are still living your glory days when you were in your 20's ,well you not in your 20's and your glory days are not the same.so what has happen to the following, safety,sportsmanship,fun,class,. it seems a lot of guys are still living in there 20's and 30's. that is good, but most of us don't care so take the drama elsewhere and have some fun for once. good day and for the ones who love the game ,keep playing and having fun.
Nov. 1, 2009
mad dog
Men's 65
3958 posts
1980,i couldn't of said it any better.yes i can remember the glory days from the past,but thats what they are"in the past".i'm glad i still can play this game.i went to the huntsman games in oct and played in the 50's and 55's div,and had a great time,yeah we used the senior bats,but we used an ASA baden ball that had a synthetic cover,it seem a little toned down compared to other balls,but not much.there still were hr's hit,but the ball wasn't going at such a speed to hurt anyone.
oh well guess that isn't good tho,not hot enough. LOL
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