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Discussion: My team wants the one up rule back in SSUSA

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Nov. 4, 2009
PlanoPlayer
Men's 55
71 posts
My team wants the one up rule back in SSUSA
Whoever is going to the meeting in Nashville, can someone propose that we go back to the one up rule in all classes. To me this was one of the best features of senior softball and it seems to create an incredibly fair situaton in that it protects the team that cannot hit their 3 (in AAA) and it allows two teams to "walk the ladder" if capable.
Nov. 4, 2009
Enviro-Vac
Men's 60
399 posts
I also like the one-up rule.
Nov. 4, 2009
Pudge
33 posts
Nor-Cal Legends are in favor of the ONE-UP rule.
Nov. 4, 2009
wagon487
Men's 50
524 posts
Diamond Fever is in favor of the ONE-UP rule
Nov. 4, 2009
E4/E6
Men's 60
850 posts
Add The OC Mustangs to the growing list
Nov. 4, 2009
LP
293 posts
I agree the one up rule was the best thing SSUSA had going it evened out the teams. i dont know why they chaged it but bring it back and i think this would take out most of the arguing about home runs.
Larry - Texas
Nov. 4, 2009
pete88
Men's 50
46 posts
Makes a lot more sense than what we have now. I'm all for it. Let's get it going.
Pete, Scrap Iron 50's
Nov. 4, 2009
JamesLG
303 posts

I would like to see 4 + 1up in AAA

Thanks:

James
Nov. 5, 2009
Lefty
Men's 65
477 posts
Major 60's Wild Bunch Softball. I would also like the one up rule back.
Nov. 5, 2009
wagon487
Men's 50
524 posts
JamesLG, if you want 4 + 1 in AAA, you need to play major. Spa has 4 + 1 in major. So there you go! Play SPA
Nov. 5, 2009
TGIII
Men's 60
92 posts
I would agree with adding the one-up rule if the following rules applied. If a team continuously exceeds their homerun limit as designated in their division they should be moved up to the next division. My team recently played in the 55+ Major division and we did not even come close to our limit of 5 homeruns. If you need the one-up rule, move up a division. AA and AAA teams should not be subjected to teams that maximize their home run limits. There is no defense that can defend balls hit over the fence. I know SSUSA is now tracking homeruns and teams that meet or exceed their limits. Maybe they will use thise numbers in determining a teams classification. The Major+ division should be unlimited homeruns. For those that can hit the homeruns, let them hit homeruns without penalty.
Nov. 5, 2009
butch17
Men's 55
415 posts
Use the one up rule but if one team hasn't hit their limit the team that exceeds their limit is a dead ball out until other team catches up.
Nov. 5, 2009
Jawood
Men's 50
798 posts
TGill, I don't think that the Major-plus division should be unlimited homeruns. Even in this division, there is a huge difference in the total number teams hit. We were stuck in the Major-plus division (50+) this year and averaged 4 homeruns a game. The Mavericks don't lose much with 10 homeruns a game, but they would never lose with unlimited homeruns.
Nov. 5, 2009
Enviro-Vac
Men's 60
399 posts
butch - I like your thinking
Nov. 6, 2009
Paco13
373 posts
HRs for outs, makes no sense.
Nov. 6, 2009
Robo2
223 posts
Speaking for myself and not my team, I like the idea of 1-up and singles. On fields like Greyhawk Park (325 fences) our team does not make the limit. However, in some parks with some balls (I think it was Louden tourn / using the shark ball) - the HRs fly. So one cannot across the board state what happens in one tournament can happen in all. I still believe that unlimited HRs at all levels with save time in games and allow for quicker differentiation of team categorization. However the 1-up rule with singles does not severly penalize a batter from hitting a ball well.

When one thinks about the different dimensions of the fields; temperature at the time; and, balls used - it is a tough decision to come up with one answer fits all.
Nov. 6, 2009
Enviro-Vac
Men's 60
399 posts
paco – Contentious issue to say the least.

My opinion is subjective & based on what would benefit our team the most at 50 Major. Dead ball outs after the 1-up limit makes a good deal of sense for teams like ours who do not have a lot of power hitters. Having a one up or two up, dead ball out limit requires more of a tactical approach to hitting. Such a rule may be less appealing if your team has a lot of power hitters but the rule would enable teams with less power, the ability to compete. I have been in to many games where there are far to many over the fence singles and that gets monotonous very fast as there is no defense against it. The one up rule or even two up, would have little impact on two power hitting teams playing each other as both could “walk the ladder” or choose not to if stratagem dictates.

Cheers,

Jim Klassen,
Manager
Nov. 6, 2009
Sweet P
Men's 60
169 posts
West Coast All-Stars are in favor of the 1-up rule being re-instated.

Phillip Cobbs, Manager
Nov. 6, 2009
mad dog
Men's 60
3937 posts
well guys,think we got something going here,JK i agree that the 1-up is not good for a lot of teams,unless it is an out for going over.also the 2 lower divs(AAA,AA) should never have the 1-up rule especially if they are singles.there can be to much abuse in the lower div if they will be singles.the 2 upper divs maybe they can do it,or have the M div go with outs and the M+ go with singles.
Nov. 6, 2009
butch17
Men's 55
415 posts
I have seen a team when it was 9 hr then singles hit 38 balls out of the park in one game. I have seen teams lose 60 to 20 because of the old rules 2 years ago. I have seen teams hit 28 to 30 home runs in a game when the other team hits less than 10 when its unlimited. I have seen games that lasted 3 innings because of time limit.

The above is why I(my own opinion) believe we have some of the rules we now have in ss/usa. The games have been more competive this year in all age groups and divisions.

I'm sure if we want to play 3 inning games or pay an additional $300 per tourney they will let us play 2 or 2.5 hour games. I for one do not enjoy 2.5 hour games or 3 inning games.We did have home run rules when we were younger and the kids still have then today so it's not a new concept.

So Paco13 thats my short story made long.:)
Nov. 6, 2009
mad dog
Men's 60
3937 posts
yep butch,there has always been hr limits,except for the top div(the elite players),howards,campbells carpets,etc.
why do you guys think we should be getting them now(unlimited hrs).
Nov. 7, 2009
bogie
Men's 55
154 posts
When I started playing seniors 4 years ago, I was amazed at the simple beauty of the 5 run inning, with the last inning open. It really didnt matter for 6 innings how you got your runs..5 runs, inning over. It was a great equalizer and it allowed teams to flavor their lineups with power like Gekle or high averages basehitters like Windy City. If SSUSA would keep 5 run innings until the 7th in all divisions,and last inning after 60 minutes who really cares how you get your runs and limits seem less necessary. 7 run innnings I think are too long...Also it might work to supply each team with x number of balls and they chase their own homeruns or buy more balls from Td. Also if your down by 10 in last inning, flip flop..to save time. GReat job by ssusa.
Nov. 7, 2009
Gary Heifner
248 posts
Mad Dog is correct. The AA especially should never use 1-up. In about 12 games in Phoenix, we hit 3 total hrs in 65AA this year. One was an out and all were wind aided. Our opponents hit 2 total in those games. My point is that the 65AA was a very level playing field with the teams right were they should have been. Very few players who stuck out as ones who could play at a much higher level. 1-up would bring a lot of ringers into the AA level. The 1-up rule at the higher divisions would encourage power hitters to seek out teams in those divisions.
Nov. 7, 2009
butch17
Men's 55
415 posts
bogie,
I agree on the 5 runs per inning with 7th open. I also believe 7 are too many.
I disagree with buying balls as the tourneys are already expensive enough to cover balls, whats next bring your own umpire?

SPA is an example $695 entry fee, $25 or $30 team reg. fee and buy balls with the team that can buy extra 3 or 4 doz. balls gains advantage over maybe a team that cant spend the extra money.
Nov. 7, 2009
Jawood
Men's 50
798 posts
The 5 run inning is the best rule for equalizing teams followed by the HR rule. Just about every game is close. The one or two up HR rule would seem to be good for the majority of the teams. Don't like the flip-flop rule, a team can get on a roll when they are not interupted by having to go out to play defense. Got burned by this before and will never agree to it, if we have a choice.
Nov. 7, 2009
PlanoPlayer
Men's 55
71 posts
We are a little bit all over the place now. I would like to see team managers continue to show their support for the 1 up rule via this thread so that SSUSA gets the message.

I am not sure if I like singles or outs after the HR limit is met because there are good pros and cons to each. But right now it is 3 HR in AAA with outs after and no one up. Speaking for the Texas Silverbacks, we would like the one up rule back, even if they keep outs after the limit and would prefer singles after the limit if SSUSA would make both changes.

If we could, let's try to keep this thread focused on the one up rule, because I have a feeling most teams would like this rule back.

Thanks.
Nov. 7, 2009
Bob50
Men's 60
240 posts
I would like to have the 1 up rule back in Major Plus. It only applies if both teams have reached their hr limit. Why not?
Nov. 7, 2009
mad dog
Men's 60
3937 posts
allan in AAA don't think the 1-up rules is good if singles,personally a AAA should be hitting all that many hr's anyways,maybe 3,anymore they should then think about moving up especailly if its abouve the 5 mark.three and then outs i think is good for them,no 1-up rule.
the majors could play 1-up with outs(starting after 5) and the M+ 1-up with singles.
Nov. 7, 2009
Omar Khayyam
999 posts
It's a little bit different for the older teams where I have been playing (played regular league softball until I was 60). On my AAA teams, I would love to see three home runs in a game (happened about half a dozen times in ten years) and on my major team, three home runs would have our coach doing back flips! LOL

What I am really happy with is the 5 run max rule per inning. Whether they are scratched out with all singles and walks, the result of some power shots, playing an error-prone team, when you score five the other team has its shot. These games are usually very competitive. When you are blown out by 24 to 3...you deserved it. The bracket might have been wrong, but it was a better team that stomped you. The open inning at the end provides a lot of tension and competitive fun. I hope we never lose this method as it keeps both teams in the game, but doesn't usually alter the fact that the better or hotter team will win.
Nov. 10, 2009
Webbie25
Men's 60
1981 posts
Our Desperado team rarely hits the 3 hrs, and we benefitted some from the 3 hr and then out limit we played this year. Personally I do like the three hr rule, but favor singles after that. I also agree the 5 run inning is great for AAA, but the seven is fun, too, when playing a M or M+. I wish we had that level in NM.
Nov. 10, 2009
player13
5 posts
I would support the 1 up rule in all classed after their home run limit has been reached. Keeps the game more fun.
Nov. 10, 2009
Rip
20 posts
I would also like to go back to the one up followed by singles. As a compromise what if we stayed with the 3 homeruns (AAA)and then had maybe 2 homeruns as singles before going to a DBO.
Nov. 10, 2009
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Bogie,
How did a man who's lived but one lifetime get as smart as you?
I agree with everything you said
and HR's need to be walk/singles.
That's a good start back
in the direction getting our game back.

Nov. 10, 2009
bogie
Men's 55
154 posts
welll, I'm not Einstein but I did stay at a motel 6 last year. We all have our opinions, but not having played seniors as much as the rest of you guys, I truly sympatize with all SSUSA & other associations have on their plates... but from what I have experienced in 5 years...its awesome...with all the associations offer, I wonder how they break even...and surely for the hours they put it...its got to be minimum wage...like us, I expect they do it for the love of the game. With all the different opinions and needs of us players...its amazing we all generally agree that its still a great sport and well run.
Nov. 10, 2009
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Hey Bog,
You're right.
SSUSA, Fran, Dave and Terry,
are good people and
work very hard.
They're listening to seniors
and have demonstrated
they care about us
and our game.
They're also willing to stand against
outside forces for what they believe
is right and best for us and SSUSA.


Hey Bog,
a old teammate of mine bought the video
and said it was great.
Thought Larry Carter was the bomb.
You get these softball guys
to talk to you
like you're their brother and
want to share
their secrets and
true softball tips with you.
That can only happen if they truly
trust and respect you.
For me,
it's your great love for teaching/helping others
to hit well
that makes it all work for me.
Everyone I've talked to who's seen
your new video loves it
and all for just 10 bucks.
Great Xmas presents, I'm sure.

I'm going to Vegas in 2 weeks.
You gonna be there?

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