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Discussion: ASA Pitching Arc

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Dec. 1, 2009
Fred Scerra
Men's 80
542 posts
ASA Pitching Arc
I hate to ask this question bacause of the answers we will get from the die hards, but is there any talk of SSUSA adopting the 6-10' pitching arc that ASA has adopted for 2010?
Dec. 1, 2009
Wes
Men's 65
310 posts
We will know after Dec 4 meeting
Dec. 1, 2009
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Let's hope not. I don't think people understand how low 10' really is.
Dec. 1, 2009
Bob50
Men's 60
239 posts
I hope not.
Dec. 1, 2009
green rocket
51 posts
10' going to be some wicked line drives hit.

In addition lot of ASA leagues are going to a 1 and 1 count. As long as you got a foul to work with, I guess its okay. Less pitch watching and more swinging.

ASA always wants to fiddle with the rules. Remember the stealing rule a couple of years ago? Some leagues never used it and some got rid of it real quick afterwards.
Dec. 1, 2009
taits
Men's 65
4315 posts
I too, hope not. I would rather increase height as to drop it. Meat balls, allow a reason or rationale, to change the ball, through the back door.
Others have it some go back and fourth.
I'll make a wild guess that most who make up the "rules" don't really play the game, they instead, work at playing the game. Works for ASA and one other, why not a few more.
Next week is show time for the many questions we need answers to.
Dec. 1, 2009
southernson
254 posts
The worst part of going to 10' is that you won't be able to get that 10' strike called enough.

Right now with it at 12', most umps give you 10'. If it goes to 10', the pitchers will be lucky to get 8'.

12' is about 48 links of the backstop chain, or 144'. Next time you are at the park, take a look and count 'em. You'll be surprised...
Dec. 1, 2009
taits
Men's 65
4315 posts
If SSUSA really wants to stand out, why don't they increase the height? Say 16 feet. Quite a few are close to that now anyway. This just eases the height call on them.
Make it even better (?), bottom limit is the batters height. This would keep lower limit easier to make.
Ball arches over batters head to 16 feet, pitch is good.
Players will adjust to it.
I believe fewer will go middle over the long haul.
Dec. 1, 2009
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
southernson, in all honesty what makes you think you can tell 10', 12', or any other footage any better than an umpire or anyone else.

I don't understand guys who swear with their naked eyes they ALWAYS know the correct height and the umps NEVER seem to.
Dec. 1, 2009
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2617 posts
Imo games that allow a maximum of 12' in reality are given 18-20'. This me more true in our league than tournaments but it IS true for some in tournaments.
So, if the arc is increased to 16' we will probably see 24' pitches! :)
The only time that I have hit a pitcher (2008 in Pensacola) was because I had 2 strikes on me and the pitcher threw a high/deep pitch. I tried to guide it through the 1-4 hole but because it was so high my bat was more verticle and I hit it on the bottom of the barrell, striking the pitcher on the shinn.
Dec. 1, 2009
Bob50
Men's 60
239 posts
Pitchers fault he gets hit. I wish I had a dollar for every time a hitter blamed a pitcher.

One of my current teammates drilled me a few years ago when we played against each other. He was their clean-up hitter and usually pulled the ball. It took two years before the lumps on my legs disappeared completely. I'd like him to be on my team for the rest of our playing days when I pitch.
Dec. 1, 2009
mad dog
Men's 60
3935 posts
yep ASsA has gone hog wild,6-10' pitching(like nsa),knob cuffs now allowed,yellow optic will be ball of choice for champ play also.
GR the 1-1 count started this yr and there is no foul to give,stealing still there,our leagues use it.
Dec. 1, 2009
Omar Khayyam
984 posts
taits, great idea for SSUSA. I second it.

If NCSSA even considers lowering the current height, I've told my team manager to just suggest a rubber tee and let the batter hit off of it and skip the pitcher. Six to ten: a four-foot window. Wow, how generous! Anything else so batters can hope to hit over .800? How about the pitcher having to announce whether he plans to pitch the next one inside or outside...or that a knuckleball is coming...or that he is going to pitch short...

Dec. 1, 2009
Stretch14
Men's 50
185 posts
Like southernson said, ASA is 6-12 arc.
Dec. 1, 2009
mad dog
Men's 60
3935 posts
omar you forgot the rock hard balls and super bats,so they can enjoy thier senior days.LOL
stretch,ASsA is going to 6-10 starting jan 2010
Dec. 1, 2009
Fred Scerra
Men's 80
542 posts
As we are an ASA league we have been trying it indoors. What we have done is have one our tallest players stand at the midpoint and strech up one hand with a bat and that would be about 10' and then we picked a reference point that would be 10'.

It doesn't bother me as I am a low ball pitcher and I am in the 6 -10' range anyway. The real pitchers should have no trouble adjusting but the so called pitchers that just throw the ball up to the plate are going to have problems.

With those pitchers we have found so far trying to stay withing the 10' are throwing the ball short a lot which will mean a lot of walks from those type pitchers.

Should be interesting.
Dec. 3, 2009
Jawood
Men's 50
788 posts
Hardly ever disagree with Taits, but I like the lower arc pitching (USSSA). Pitcher's have more of a influence on the game.
Dec. 3, 2009
taits
Men's 65
4315 posts
Jawood,
Thank you.
My "experience" has been !0 foot is great for curves, some nice knuckles, but the height usually throws off the timing and the knuckles still work.
Get a little motion with the ball, and its sweet either way.
Lower is great for BB batter types.
Happy Holidays.
Dec. 3, 2009
Joncon
285 posts
It has been my obswervation that umpires tend to allow 15' plus and often call the 8' pitch flat.

A pitch under 6' will have trouble even hitting the plate unless it is chucked in really fast. I try to point out to umpires that the ball only has to (generally) clear the pitchers head to be over 6' high.

A 12' pitch is easy enough to hit but umps routinely allow and extra 3 to 5 feet. They don't seem to know what 12 foot looks like.

There are of course exceptions.....right Dan?


"""southernson, in all honesty what makes you think you can tell 10', 12', or any other footage any better than an umpire or anyone else."""


I can't speak for him but, because of my line of work (construction), I know what 6', 10', 12' and 16' looks like from 25' away.

Dec. 3, 2009
mad dog
Men's 60
3935 posts
i do think you guys are stretching it bit on the 18-20' pitches,i hardly ever see that when playing 6-12',what i do see is more of it being like 4-12'(maybe 13-14' max) especially in senior when using the mat.with call strike when playing with the kids its not much better(and i pitch for them,rarely with senior's),i've thrown pitches at 11-12' and they are called illegal(i think i'm a pretty good judge of that height)and let the 4-5' pitch be legal.
Dec. 3, 2009
E4/E6
Men's 60
850 posts
Whats wrong with, see the ball, hit the ball.
Remember what we were taught in little league fundamentals. Keep your eye on the ball all the way to the bat.
It only takes more patience now.
Umps in Vegas were sure not letting anyone get away with much over 10'.

Dec. 4, 2009
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Bob50, who else's fault would it be? The pitcher, or any fielder, is the one holding the glove and has the ultimate control over whether they get hit. Now a late, bad hop might be a different story, but on any other kind of ball who else would be to "blame"?
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