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Discussion: Better hitter????

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Dec. 7, 2009
Player25
Men's 55
51 posts
Better hitter????
Curious as to thoughts about the following question.
Who is the better hitter? The player who hits 800(pick a high number) with the majority of homeruns or the player that can not hit a home run(yes, there are players like that even with the equipment available) and needs to rely on base hits.
Dec. 7, 2009
taits
Men's 65
4395 posts
I'd go with what I believe you have as the Latter choice...ie; on base average and RBI's.
That is what I try to achieve along with an occasional HR thrown in. depending on runners on and limits.
Dec. 7, 2009
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
But the first guy has both. A very high average and a lot of home runs. How do you beat that?
Dec. 7, 2009
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2688 posts
I agree with Dirty (NOT AGAIN??!!!) The first player has the same tools as the second plus he can hit hrs!
Dec. 7, 2009
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Bruce, way to crossover to the light side! :)

This must be a trick question. The answer just seems too obvious to me.
Dec. 7, 2009
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2688 posts
Dirty, I agree. I could see the discussion if the hr hitter would hit 700 and the basehitter hit 800. That would really get some replies.
Dec. 7, 2009
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2688 posts
Along these lines, our pitcher on Kayson's Grill, only made one out in the Winternationals in Florida this past month. His longest ball may have been 150 feet. Our opponents were really frustrated because they couldn't get him out!
Way to go Curt M!
Dec. 7, 2009
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
I think he was trying to ask a "who's a better hitter, Ichiro or Ryan Howard?", type question but instead asked "who is better, Ichiro or Pujols".

To me, Ichiro is the answer to the first and Pujols to the second.
Dec. 7, 2009
Omar Khayyam
1002 posts
Love your pitcher example, Bruce. There's a similar pitcher in California—hits third base bag, then short line drive to right just over second baseman's head, then the hole, then a dink to left field. If fielders come in, he muscles up and surprisingly can hit it about 240 feet! A real hard out and never a home run!
Dec. 7, 2009
Mr. Manassas
230 posts
I would like to add the question : WHO is the best hitter in senior softball? My Pick is a gentlemean from Richmond
Dec. 7, 2009
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
Mr.Manassas,
My vote would go for Tom Mecredy out of Austin,Texas.Not a homerun hitter, but a pure left handed base hitter.One of the very best base hitters out there.
Dec. 7, 2009
the wood
1087 posts
Ron Parnell of the Mavericks... he wasn't bad in the younger circuit either. In the past 2 years the Mavericks won everything in sight and he was the catalyst.
They have lots of really good hitters but he is the best hitter on the best senior team... he would also rate very high in the 'who is the best PLAYER' poll.
no offense intended for anyone else.
BW
Dec. 7, 2009
Mr. Manassas
230 posts
I am sure that there are many good hitters in the country and I have seen a few BUT Don Clatterbough is different.
I have never seen a hitter that can basehit or hit homeruns with such consistancy than this guy....
Dec. 7, 2009
Mr. Manassas
230 posts
I agree that Parnell is a great one. I just think that this guy affects the game like no other. Especially over 60!!
Dec. 7, 2009
Mr. Manassas
230 posts
I agree that Parnell is a great one. I just think that this guy affects the game like no other. Especially over 60!!
Dec. 7, 2009
DoubleL10
Men's 65
834 posts
I have to agree with Mr. Manassas. Clatta was the best hitter in senior ball when he was in the 50s, 55s and 60s where he currently resides. No hitter in the 50s between 1996 and 2001, 55s between 2002 and 2006 and the 60s now affects the game like he does. I have seen teams intentionally walk him EVERY at bat so he could not ignite his team with a long ball. I have seen Parnell (and Bully) hit and they are not better than Clatta when he played 50s.
Dec. 7, 2009
Player25
Men's 55
51 posts
Thanks for the responses.
Dec. 7, 2009
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2688 posts
My vote for best senior hitter is Caleb Rabinold. He has played some Curt and Audie.
In addition to hitting either line and hrs he is also very fast.
Dec. 7, 2009
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Boy, Bruce,
and I agree with Gary Sommers, too.
Best senior hitters I've seen up close
and boy am I lucky to have had the opportunity were/are:
Charley Pierce as a young fifty.
Clatta then and now.
Healthy Mike Burbank
and the incomparable, Rick Perez.
Denny Jones is right up there, too.
These are all guys I played with.
Guys mostly against--
Butch Hayes,
Hank from Las Vegas,
Steve Imlay
Bogie
Wally (Waldyte)
just to name a few.
There's many more.

Dec. 7, 2009
Mango
Men's 50
91 posts
Nobody in the game right now has more power right now than Ron Parnell. There may be some that can hit for power with him, but not better. But even more importantly, especially with the home run restrictions last year, he can also hit for average/base hits with anyone. Anyone that played against him saw his dink to right field when the situation called for him to stay in. And he was completely unselfish, giving himself up to do that time and time again.

He also is a tremendous leader. He makes the players around him better.

Here’s the acid test. If you take all the players that are playing Senior Softball right now, all ages and all divisions, and do a draft, I can’t imagine anyone getting picked ahead of Ron Parnell. If there were a better hitter in the game RIGHT NOW, I’d love to see him. There is not a better all around player.
Dec. 8, 2009
turn2
486 posts
I have to vote for Mr. Clatterbough. I don't think anybody can out hit him for the entire season year in and year out. In the last 5 years he has but up some crazy numbers for our team. Now there may be a better all around player but not a better hitter.
My 2 cents
Donnie
Dec. 8, 2009
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Hey Dave,
The best to you and the boys always
and you know your team better than I do.
Parnell is a great hitter for sure.
And you say he's made the whole team better and that chemistry is unmistakable
but I will say that your defensive
ability is what separated you guys
from the pack.
Turbo and Duff running down all kinds of stuff in 5 man infield with the best
trio of pitchers senior softball has ever seen led by
Mickey the Maestro Hughes.
Sal is a monster defender to
in my book and added a ton to your guys'
dominance.
And, congratulations on the run
you guys have made with the Mavericks.
Just like with Kellys for me
those are very special times,
memories and accomplishments
and last forever,Dave.
Way to go for you and all the fellas.
Are you guys going to reform
under a new name or look for other
teams to play?
Are you guys gonna continue to bring
Courtesy guys up till you remake
your monster squad from 45 and over?
Which ever way it goes
congratulations to you and
all the Maverick guys.
Dec. 8, 2009
stick8
1318 posts
Interesting question Player25. Personally I'm one of those guys who relys on the base hits and doesn't hit home runs. But I'm bulking up this winter and will be using a senior bat next year!! lol
To answer your question I would say the best hitters are ones who can go out of the yard at will and at the same time keep it in the yard when the situation calls for it without worrying about accidently hitting it out. IOW, they have great bat control. From what I've observed in 50 major plus Ron Parnell of the Mavericks and Vern from OKI Players both excel at this. The lead off hitter for the Mavericks might be the most professional hitter I've ever seen. He has demonstrated that he can hit any hole anywhere in the field and if an outfielder cheats in on him he'll blast it over your head. Believe me, I know!!
Dec. 8, 2009
DUTCH33
2 posts
Phil Miller of Damon's Grill 50+ can hit the Long Ball with any and all Senior Players.
Dec. 8, 2009
Just -a-base Hitter
Men's 50
12 posts
A base hitter who can go yard when needed.With a 800 average
Dec. 9, 2009
truhitter
25 posts
i have played played softball 4 over 30 yrs, not counting bruce MEADE the best hitter i ever saw play was john partee
Dec. 9, 2009
audieh
Men's 60
242 posts
Having played senior ball for 7 years I have seen some great hitters. However, many times you see a great hitter for just a short period of time and it is hard to judge them. However, the ones that have impressed me with their abilities and not in any particular order are:
60s Clatta
60s Davie Reed
60s Bruce Meade (when he plays)
60s Ed Rose
55s Pat McLellan
55s Gary Deaton
55s Bobby Davis
50s Ron Parnell
50s Waldyte
50s Mark Martin
50s Caleb Rabenold

Boy wouldn't you love to have a team with this roster and then about 3 more excellent defensive players. Here's a question. Who are some of the best defensive players you have seen in senior ball. The guy that sticks in my mind is Perez who we only use to see in Vegas. What a talent.
Dec. 10, 2009
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Glad to hear you mention, Rick Perez.
What a treat to play with him
and he's the best teammate imaginable.
Performance leader of the team who
was always positive and helpful to anyone struggling, needing support or seeking advice.
Ricky's retired now and still works with
would be hitters in the Vegas area.
Nobody better.
Audie, we both remember some of those shots you guys hit against us for a couple of years running that never had a chance of getting by or through him.
And what I never commented but once
about was the day that Mike Burbank
hit his 525 + shot in Vegas
later in the game as it was almost dark
Ricky hit a shot that went way up
right down the left field line
through and over the lights
and out of sight
that I always thought went easily
as far.
What a player and what a teammate.
Dec. 10, 2009
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Best defensive players.
Great question, Audie.

Mike Walker OF
Verne Fowler OF
Mickey Hughes Pitcher
Butch Hayes SS
Curt "Claw" Clawson SS

Forgot to mention Bobby Davis
on the list of great hitters, Audie.
Bobby and Rick Perez played
Armed Services Ball together.
Bobby's an all around monster player,
too.
Dec. 10, 2009
Lecak
Men's 55
1012 posts
Joe your guy Charlie for 5 Spot is hard to beat for defense
Dec. 10, 2009
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Thanks, Joe.
Charlie is certainly the best pure
defensive SS playing now
and his side-kick, Joe Cuneo of Clary's,
5 Spot and Courtesy Auto
is consistently for my money
the best defensive 3rd baseman
in senior ball.
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