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Jan. 1, 2010
southpaw
Men's 60
729 posts
What's Wrong With--
6' to 10' pitching arc, 1/1 count, no extra foul and no more than 1 0r 2 pinch runners per inning (excluding injury).

Many of the younger leagues in my area untilize all of these rules and they seem to work well.

IMO, they encourage more hustle on and off the field as well as makes the batter more aggressive.

This is primarily U-trip, although I have seen it as well in ASA.
Jan. 1, 2010
mad dog
Men's 60
3935 posts
well ASA does the 1-1 count and no foul,it is now they way they play,usssa gives a foul.
personally i like the ASA way of play.even the equipment they use.
Jan. 1, 2010
mad dog
Men's 60
3935 posts
oops forgot to add,i would rather the pitching height had stayed at 6-12 tho.
Jan. 1, 2010
butch17
Men's 55
415 posts
I think arch should go up not down.
Jan. 1, 2010
mad dog
Men's 60
3935 posts
i could go for that butch,but than you'll hear all the crying from all the t-ball baby's who want to hit ball that is always at their waist.
i had said that over SBF that the height should be up there(right after ASA brought it down to 6-10') and you should of seen all the crying.
Jan. 1, 2010
butch17
Men's 55
415 posts
I agree they want it on a tee. 6 to 18 would be good if they wanted a limit.
Jan. 1, 2010
mad dog
Men's 60
3935 posts
i wouldn't mind a 3-18' height personally,especially if we are gonna use a mat.
Jan. 1, 2010
Omar Khayyam
984 posts
Wow, dog, 3-18' height?! That would be heaven on earth. But it isn't going to happen. Been tried in the past and the big bat big ego whiners had it revoked in a year. But what a good year it was for pitchers and a more balanced game.
Jan. 1, 2010
butch17
Men's 55
415 posts
In my opinion the 3' gets abused with speed on the pitch and thats what modified is for.
Jan. 1, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
How do any of southpaw's ideas encourge hustle? What hustle comes from a 1-1 count? Or from a change in pitching arc? Those have NOTHING to do with hustle.

Why any courtesy runners at all? If you can get to first you can get the rest of the way.


3' is NOT slow-pitch, and has no business in this game. If you are going to go to 18' you might as well go unlimited. NO one, umps or players (despite how many will tell you they can) knows 18' from 16' or from 20'. It is impossible to tell with the naked eye.
Jan. 1, 2010
Jawood
Men's 50
788 posts
Nothing is wrong with your idea, southpaw, I agree.
Jan. 1, 2010
JohnBob
Men's 60
246 posts
What's wrong with leaving arc and count same as we have played with for years?
Jan. 1, 2010
southpaw
Men's 60
729 posts
Oops, I should have included that most leagues are 1 hour time limit, the primary factor for hustle. 1/1 count also means faster movement in that batters are more aggressive, therefore, ball is in play more often. Hopefully, then, more batters, etc.

my personal experience over the last 5 years in senior softball is that most (not all) umpires rarely are letting pitch height go to 12' anyhow. 10', maybe 11' at most. I'm just a thrower, not a great pitcher. That is my primary position however. It seems that a "pitcher" who has control, varies the height and depth, and throws at least 2 different kinds of pitches (knuckles, curves, etc) should not really care about the height. That is, if he is working the hitter and capable of fielding his position.

As far as pinch runners, I just prefer to be ecumenical as possible. More players are able to participate or should we just strive to be elitist?!
Jan. 1, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
southpaw, you are kind of showing my point. For some reason players seem to think they can eyeball pitch height better than the umps, and I just don't find that to be the case. 10' is not very high at all, and in my experience most umps and players routinely let and accept pitches as being legal that in reality are much closer to if not over 12' than they are to 10' 10' is the height of a basket, not much higher than the standard height of a room ceiling, and many pitches are clearly higher than that.

Oh, and remember if most pitchers were capable of fielding their position they wouldn't be the hue and cry for screens and PPRs.

This is NOT a very demanding game, when we were young it was played by little girls. So to expect guys to run the bases is not elitist at all, just a reasonable expectation that they be in good enough shape to run 65' at a time. Why do we have to appeal to the lowest common denominator?

As far as one-hour time limits, what is the hurry? The beauty of baseball/softball is that it is played without a clock, or should be. Time limits are completely unacceptable. If guys need time limits to get people to hustle on and off the field, then let's leave out the time limits AND the lazy, out of shape guys. Again, we are making rules for the lowest common denominator.
Jan. 1, 2010
Gary Heifner
248 posts
Southpaw--I have been postings for years. If you have followed any of them, I have been begging for the 1-1 count and 6 to 10 foot arc. I catch and play outfield. I see So many batters take 2 wheel house pitches with the 0-0 count and swing at the 3rd strike. It slows the game down significantly. Even some of my own teammates do it and it drives me crazy. I can stand on my pitchers head and it still isn't 12'. I think every ball 4-5' over his head was called illegal this year and there was still at least 1' of cushion left. No ump in the history of softball knows what 12 ' is. If an ump where to stand next to a pitcher before a game he could judge his height and better judge another 3-4' of arc. Example an ump who determines a pitcher is 6' tall, could better judge a yard stick and a little more with the 10' arc.
Jan. 1, 2010
mad dog
Men's 60
3935 posts
well i know since the mid 80's we played with 1 hr limit for ASA and 70 minutes for USSSA in the leagues that i played in sacramento.ca.also the tourney's i played in and around there had the time limits. dipty maybe u can't judge height but i have done it all my life(job related) and will be real close when i say what a height is(be within a foot).oh most rooms are 7' hi so u need to add another 3' for 10',quite bit for your ref.

if you look at the backstops most will have 5' or 6' sections(height) for you that want to see how hi 10-12' is,most will be at least 2 sections hi plus.
Jan. 1, 2010
Omar Khayyam
984 posts
Dirty, why do you think an experienced pitcher can't tell when his pitch is hitting the 12 foot limit. I have measured my pitch several times over the years against the backstop, just to keep calibrating it and remind myself what is legal.

Then I play about 120 league games a year plus about 80-100 tournament games. In addition, I pitch batting practice to about a dozen guys before the league games on the field itself. This adds up to about 37000 pitches a year.

Multiply that by the last 20 years with the 12 foot arc and I've thrown 750,000 pitches. Toss in my other 20 years of slow pitch and I have thrown a million and a half pitches. I assure you I can tell when the ump is not giving me a 12' height on my arc.
Jan. 2, 2010
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2617 posts
Around here the pitchers are already throwing the ball to almost 20'. The umpire lets it go until we complain.
Why should we make it tougher for the batters? We already made the mat wider and allowed the pitcher to move back 6' and some stretch it to 8' or more.
Slowpitch has evolved to become a hitter's game. If you don't enjoy it or think it's too dangerous, play fastpitch! Stop trying to change the game, enough is enough, imo.
Jan. 2, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
sad puppy, perhaps you are the exception and that might be due to your job, though I am curious how often you actually measure what you are eyeballing to confirm you are correct. But you really think every player can judge properly, and of course if you believe this board every ump is wrong.

And using the backstop is very inexact, if for nothing else than the only way to know the ball is above or below the second section is to be up at the level of the top of the second section. To try and use that from the ground would not be reliable at all due to our angle from the ground. Just think about it.

Omar, again unless you are up at the 12' point looking straight across you are getting a skewed look at it from the ground. Simple geometry.

Nice pitch count, but not particularly meaningful. Only perfect practice makes perfect, not just a lot of any kind of practice.


Bruce, I couldn't tell you how high 20' is, I don't pretend that my eyes are that good, but I agree with you that most anywhere I have ever played the vast majority of the umps let pitches go that seem noticeable more than 12'.

Jan. 2, 2010
southpaw
Men's 60
729 posts
Some of the reasons for my queries is due to the fact that I have run leagues and tournaments for the past 20 years. Nothing on a grand scale, just low-key, informal, mostly community leagues, tourneys, etc.
Hour time limits had to do with trying to let everyone get games in and be home at a reasonable hour. Being ecumenical meant that I encouraged as many as possible to be involved, therefore, more players, more teams, bigger leagues.
In high school, there was a young man who wasn't very gifted athletically. No one ever wanted him on our team for softball, flag football, basketball, etc. in phys. ed. Complaints from team if I chose him. I did anyway. Some folks are just doing the best they can; do we help or hinder?

It is interesting that we will never come to a concensus on so many issues, if only from the standpoint that we are so diverse in our viewpoints and there are so many variables to consider. Ex: most pitching height is low in Alabama Bruce states that it is extremely high in Georgia. One prefers a hitter's game, while others prefer a more balanced game.

Just My Opinion: The queries I offered above seem to support a more balanced game.

It's O.K. to disagree! That's what makes our country so great.
Jan. 2, 2010
Omar Khayyam
984 posts
Sorry, Dirty, I didn't clarify what I meant by measuring my pitch against the backstop. What I do is stand 25 feet from the backstop and see where my normal pitch hits, where a "top" pitch hits, where a low pitch hits, etc. Pretty close to exact.

And I guess I don't understand what you think "perfect" practice is. Are all my 1.5mm high top pitches? Of course not. Maybe only 600,000 of them. Let me know when you've pitched that much.
Jan. 2, 2010
butch17
Men's 55
415 posts
I have always enjoyed the comments about changing the game. Since coming from fast pitch to slow pitch lets see what may have changed;

Bats, balls, base distance, pitcher distance, from open fields(no fences) to 265' fences to 275' to 285' to 300' to 325'. Pitching height, unlimited foul balls and so on.

So where would we be today without changes.
1. wood bats 2. unlimited arch 3.unlimited foul balls 4. no fences 5. blue dot type ball(white) 5. 60' bases
6.unlimited home runs 7. no run per inning rule 8. no time limit 9. 43' to 45' pitching distance, etc.

So is change good or bad you be the judge.
Jan. 2, 2010
butch17
Men's 55
415 posts
One more I forgot no extra hitter.
Jan. 2, 2010
Jawood
Men's 50
788 posts
Butch17, Good point - All excellent rule changes. I don't know about the extra hitter, you must not have to decide who sits out on your team. lol.
Jan. 2, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
So you can always justify the future with the past?

Old changes that worked justify new ones that don't?

There is a reason professional baseball doesn't allow non-wood bats.

At least since I have been alive, unlimited arc was only legal for two years, so we didn't exactly change away from that. It went away because guys cried they couldn't hit it as well as they liked.

I couldn't care less about unlimited fouls. It didn't bother me.

I have been around the game for 45 years, and have always seen fenced fields.

Unlimited home runs is how all games should be played. It is the home run hitters' fault that other cannot?

Run limits per inning are socialistic, and absurd.

Who wants time limits? What is the hurry?

What is the point of the EH? To give playing time to some clumsy guy who cannot field? Silly!
Jan. 2, 2010
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2617 posts
Butch, you forgot 9 players to 10 and now up to 20 batters in some associations. Almost forgot, from bunting to no bunting.

I started by playing modified. I like slowpitch much more.
Jan. 2, 2010
butch17
Men's 55
415 posts
I agree Bruce. I also played a little modified and also played a little 16".

Dirty 90% of our parks in and around Indy were open diamonds. Only most of fast pitch parks had short fences such as Metro and Municipal Stadiums.
So contrary to your believe you know everything there is about softball I guess you don't.

You miss the point softballis a Game. Nobody makes a living playing Senior Softball and the game is for eveyone at all levels that wants to play.
You choose not to attend tourneys but still play leagues and thats o.k.

You say you don't want to play in 2 or 3 team tourneys so play AA or AAA where there are more teams. I'm sure with your ability and knowledge a team could use you. I know a few coaches and if you want e-mail me and I'll give you their numbers. Hope to see you participating soon.
Jan. 2, 2010
butch17
Men's 55
415 posts
Then they started building new parks and re-doing the other parks moving home plate back 10' to allow us to play slo-pitch on them with a fence. A lot of our city parks today still have no fences but very little softball is played there anymore.
Jan. 2, 2010
butch17
Men's 55
415 posts
Bruce,

A couple of others I forgot and there is probaly more is no classification for teams and you had to win a Metro, State or Regional to qualify for the Nationals.
Jan. 2, 2010
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2617 posts
That's right Butch. I remember beating Barbeque Kitchen and that qualified us to play in Athens, Tn. I think we opened up against Dave Carroll or a team like that.
We were just excited to be able to advance.
When we beat Barbeque Kitchen we were down 8 runs in the bottom of the 7th and had 10 straight hits to win the game.
Dirty, there were several city parks in Atlanta that didn't have fences.
We played 16" here for two years in the early 80's. One of those years we played at Al Bishop and used a temporary fence at 275'. The ball would fly for the first couple of innings! We used gloves here.
Jan. 2, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
butch, thanks for the offer. My email is gsommers19@hotmail.com

All I said was the fields I have seen in my time were all basically fenced. If yours weren't, okay. Softball was big-time in the Cleveland area in the 50s, 60s, and 70s, as shown my how many ASA Open nationals were held in this area during that time. Sure there were a few open fields, but nothing that was used for anything meaningful.
Jan. 2, 2010
Airbosn
Men's 65
319 posts
When I was inspecting reserve centers in the Cleveland to Columbus area I remember a few fields around Columbus that actually had a line accross the diamond at a 12 foot height to aid pitchers and umpires in guestimating the whereabouts of 12 feet. I think they removed the line for regular league play. BTW, Gary I did a lot of playing around Brookpark, Independence and Brecksville, Nice area of the country.
Jan. 2, 2010
Omar Khayyam
984 posts
Butch, nice nostalgic post. For senior softball, compared to my fast pitch days and early slowpitch years, I would add: mat instead of strike zone; second plate added at home; second bag added at first; runner from first to second or second to third can be called out for interference on an attempted double play unless sliding or veering; no reentry of a player; smaller gloves; no courtesy runner unless case of injury.

As to your question, there are so many changes (many I am in favor of, some I dislike) that you could poll 20 long term players and probably get 20 different answers on which change is good and which was bad.
Jan. 2, 2010
southpaw
Men's 60
729 posts
Thanks Guys for all your comments, especially those pointing the great diversity that we face. Butch, you certainly brought it into perspective and others contributed a few items you overlooked.

We should learn from the past or we are doomed to repeat it.
Change is never good, if it is simply change for change-sake.
Limiting fouls moves the game along by allowing more batters.
Unlimited homeruns, combined with no run limits, not only produces a measure of monotony, but also sets the stage for even less competition. A less powerful hitting team still can have hope of good competition with run limits. Without it, the elite teams will find less and less competition.

Which also addresses the presence of less capable players or "some clumsy guy who cannot field". The more we try to eliminate players who do not meet certain standards, we will find fewer and fewer teams to compete against.
Jan. 2, 2010
butch17
Men's 55
415 posts
southpaw,

Thank you for the post. It got me thinking about the old days and how much it has changed both good and bad.

I still believe this game is for any one that wants to play and enjoy no matter what the skill level.

Like I have always said in the end it's only a game and the people you meet and the friends you make while playing is what really means something

Good luck to you and the team this year.
Jan. 2, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Butch, I agree with guys of any skill level still being able to play. All I am thinking is that they should still be expected to play the entire games, not just get to hit and then for all I know have someone run for them.

This game is not that demanding that guys should be that specialized. If we aren't going to expect guys to both hit and field, then I guess why not have defensive specialists as well who don't have to hit. After all, what would be the difference?

southpaw, my one condition to what I said if to allow unlimited homers with unlimited runs per inning, like the game was meant to be played, but without the special bats. Otherwise I agree, the games and innings would go on much too long.
Jan. 2, 2010
mad dog
Men's 60
3935 posts
i see a prol with someone saying unlimited hr's as we have had limits of hr's on the game of softball since the early to mid 80's.
now also dipty you must be at least 60 if not older if you have been in the game for 45 yrs,damn your old.

also the game was invented by some students from harvard and yale,rolled up boxing glove and broom stick or boat paddle (sometimers has set in)to be played inside.so anything else has been a change in the game,so what.
Jan. 3, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
sad puppy, try mixing in some reading comprehension. I said "around the game for 45 years". My father used to take me to watch local games and the ASA Nationals in Parma. I am 53.
Jan. 3, 2010
mad dog
Men's 60
3935 posts
whatever,must of been real exciting to go watch grown men hit a lobbed ball.guess you couldn't make your LL team also.
Jan. 3, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Great comeback. :(

Mind discussing your lack of reading comprehension?
Jan. 3, 2010
starburst23
Men's 60
44 posts
The senior circuit has been a fantastic place for the over 50 player. I know change is good, my opinion after pitching for 20 years is that a 6-12 arch and the 1-1 count regardless of a mat has been working fine all this time, if a hitter wants to hit he will the ones that don't will wait till the ball hits the mat.
Jan. 3, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
The argument to have Home run
limits or not is a paper argument and means nothing.
It's making HR's outs or singles
after an equalizer
that's key.
HR's as singles levels the playing field, is more fun
and absolutely will protect pitchers
more.
Anyone who argues against this is
flat out wrong for blindness or
having another agenda.
I'd love pitching 6-10.
That would really separate
the men from the boy pitchers
without having to use a crowbar.
I like one and one count a lot.
It picks up the pace of the game
making it more interesting to both play and watch and saves some time
too.
And widening and elongating the rubber
and making the plate bigger
would tend to neutralize the advantage
to the batters.
Gary, remember, these adjustments
are only if there's gonna be special rules in softball.
Basically, we should go lively bats
and balls and let's play.
Jan. 3, 2010
butch17
Men's 55
415 posts
We already have lively bats and balls, home run rules, and height rules so I'm with you lets play.
Jan. 3, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Joe, and that is my point. No special rules. Anything that makes guys 5'6" have the same size strike zone as guys 6'8" (the MAT) is a terrible idea and goes against how strike zones have been for decades.

Joe, again I have nothing against the bats as long as a dozen silly rules don't get put in because of them. But you or anyone else would be hard-pressed to convince me that Utrip bats are not lively enough.
Jan. 3, 2010
mad dog
Men's 60
3935 posts
so dipty at 8-10 yrs old you knew what was going on,is that why its so easy now for you to hit a ball that is lobbed(as you say it is),play pitcher so great that every team in your area are knocking themselves out to have you pitch for them.
this is a discussion for the pitch height,start a thread for your comprehension training if you would like to discuss that.

joe guess we are just blind b/c we would like to see a more balanced game.the avg joe doesn't stand a chance in your game,and this is the guy you say will be hurt the most by a more balanced game.you tell me who benefits more with the hot bat/ball game.
Jan. 3, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Of course, any 8-10 year old should know what is going on around them? My God, you must have been such a sorry 10 year old. :(

Yea pup, at the end of it all the big ball is just kinda lobbed.
Jan. 3, 2010
mad dog
Men's 60
3935 posts
first off dipty i'm not here bragging on my play as you do,but than again i've never been cut from my team.i'm sorry your childhood was so poor that you never got to play with the other kids and now have to get your kicks here.maybe if you would actually learn to play you might have a team to play with.
but hey your the one who says this game is so easy to play.
Jan. 3, 2010
Wes
Men's 65
310 posts
I read on another site to night where a
runner, form third to home,was killed by a thrown ball from second base. Hit him behine the ear. It just seems to me if there is protective equipment out there we should use it. A hard hat is not hard to wear, nor is a face guard,
etc.
Jan. 3, 2010
mad dog
Men's 60
3935 posts
if it was SBF wes the game was a blow out to boot.there have been numerous incidents this yr from both thrown and batted balls,one that is dangerous is the ball that hits a pitchers shin and causes a blood infection,that he doesn't realize he has it.i've had cellulitis(similar to a blood infection) before and it can be bad and almost waited to long to see a doc.
Jan. 4, 2010
Webbie25
Men's 60
1953 posts
Gosh, you can't protect everyone from everything. There has always been the inherent risk of getting hit and hurt. I have worn a cup all my career in the outfield and been laughed at by a few 'idiots' on my teams, but it has saved me at least 5 times from a very painful injury. In this age of everybody sues everybody for everything, and no one takes personal responsibility for their action or inaction, discussions like this come up. The protective equipment is out there. If you choose to wear it, great. If you don't, your fault if you get hit. I've been hit many times in 41 yrs of playing slowpitch, but that's part of the game. I never thought of suing the ASA or USSSA. I never thought of lobbying for mandatory helmet laws for baserunners. A couple of our pitchers started wearing helmets and shin guards several years ago. Their choice. I never thought twice about going up the middle until the last few years. Too bad. These are a few changes I really don't like. They took out the 'hot' balls in the mid 80's because they knew it was getting too fast. Simiala scenario here. It wouldn't bother me if they went back to the USSSA bats for seniors. They have plenty of pop.
Jan. 4, 2010
Webbie25
Men's 60
1953 posts
Similar--sorry
Jan. 4, 2010
mad dog
Men's 60
3935 posts
webbie basically you are right,but the problem like you have said is the equipment has surpassed the people playing the game now,just like the hot balls of yesteryear,and then the assoc's throttling back.its got to happen for senior ball,as they are the only assoc's not looking at safety and not backing down the equipment to a safer level.we can still use the senior bat(which would be easier to do)and use the 52-275 ball.the ball can be hit out by the hr hitter's,the wanna be hero's(the ones who never hit hr's till senior ball and senior bats) will have to learn how to hit again,oh well.i have used this ball(i'm not considered a hr hitter)and find this ball will do fine for us.some will say that you'll have to change your swing,no you won't,you just have to hit the ball 1/8-1/4" below center for the long ball(just like any other ball that is used).i say keep our bats and go to the safer ball as this would be the easiest on the players,no new bats to buy,and the td's usually get the balls that we play with anyways.
Jan. 4, 2010
stick8
1261 posts
Dirty I vividly recall when USSSA went from 4-3 to 3-2 count. They claimed games wouldn't take as long. I'm not sure but I wonder if someone knows how going to a 3-2 count would take away base hits, extra base hits, home runs, errors resulting in a shorter game? Hitter sare going to get their hits and errors will happen. Games lasted just as long if not longer.
Jan. 4, 2010
taits
Men's 65
4305 posts
U-trip has had 1-1 start for years. SPA must be considering a count move, for that was one of the questions.
I seem to recall a thread or post about "time saved" only being about 1.5 minutes an inning in the end.
Some games\tourneys give you one to waste in the count, which isn't too bad, but others do not. Sure cuts out pitch selection if your looking, which is good for quality pitchers.
Jan. 4, 2010
stick8
1261 posts
Taits I remember playing against other A and major teams back in the day where the count was 3-2 no foul to waste. Most games were still 2 hours plus. Good hitters are going to get their hits--even with u-trip pitchers pump faking and throwing flat and fast.
Jan. 4, 2010
taits
Men's 65
4305 posts
Chances are it didn't have HR limits back when either.
Jan. 4, 2010
stick8
1261 posts
Taits, in major no, in A yes, in AA yes.
Jan. 4, 2010
mad dog
Men's 60
3935 posts
stick is right,except for the major,super major,or whatever you want to call it,since the 80's we have had hr limits in all the other div's.in ASA it was how many hr's could be hit,in USSSA it was how many hr hitter's you could have(which has since been changed to how hr's hit).i think it is good to have hr limits on div's so as not to have teams sandbagging and dropping down just to win.
Jan. 4, 2010
LP
276 posts
if your a pitcher you will understand why you want a higher pitching arc, you lay one in there at 8' to 10' arc thats the one that has the best chance to get drilled back at the pitcher.
myself i dont care for a 16' or better arc, the umps just need to let the pitcher throw a good 12' arc.
and now about the count, unless the assoc's are going to come down in there cost, let us play the game at our pace, not speed it up.
Jan. 4, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
LP, can I modify that to let's play the game at the right pace? Too many times the senior pace is to mosey on and off the field, take forever to get a batter in the box, throw too many warmup pitches, have ridiculous courtesy runners mosey on and off the field, and the game takes forever. Then they want to make more silly rules to speed things up and save the time that the lazy players waste.

Let's just do what I assume most everyone was taught, to hustle whenever you are on the field.
Jan. 4, 2010
LP
276 posts
dirty i'm not talking about just mosey on and off the field what i'm saying is if the assoc's are doing things to speed up the game come down on prices.

no 1 & 1 count for example
Jan. 4, 2010
E4/E6
Men's 60
850 posts
Why are there so many posts about High Tourney fees?
Lets look at this and do a bit of math. Our most expensive SSUSA event is the Worlds in Phoenix @ $660.00 per team (discounted if you stay at a host hotel with a 5 room minimum).
If we have 13 players show up that comes to a bit over $50.00 a head. Where can we get that much entertainment for so little money. We are guaranteed 5 games, and usually get several more then that.
I'll take that anytime.
Of course this is just my opinion.
Jan. 5, 2010
mad dog
Men's 60
3935 posts
E4/E6,b/c its at least double of any other tourney i can go to.the kids tourney's are $200 or less and can get 3 games sometimes even 4 for a 1 day tourney(oh by the way i have even been to some 7 gg for a one day).
a discounted room is usually double of what i can get thru priceline.ss-usa does us no favors with these room hook-ups,$75 when i can find them for $35 or even less.if you need to stay at the hilton,well go ahead,personally i can do motel 6(not the one i stay at,just using it for an example) and be happy.
Jan. 5, 2010
taits
Men's 65
4305 posts
mad dog,
I've seen a few, many really, tourneys even higher entry fees than here @ 700-1000, all were back east somewhere.
The room rates are a problem, 3 days when 2 would work, best of 3, are all issues in the vicious cycle.
HNY, Bob.
Jan. 5, 2010
E4/E6
Men's 60
850 posts
I see your point Dog, As with anything we can always find something cheaper and as taits points out even more expensive.
My point is, at $50 or $60 a head for a weekend of fun/entertainment it seems pretty reasonable.
Travel expenses will always be an issue too, gas, airfare, hotels, food, etc, are all part of the game.
For those of us in the West, there arent many quality events outside of SSUSA. Unless we want to pay the travel expense to go East.
Dont misunderstand me, would I like tournamnet fees to be cheaper? Of course, I like more in my pocket like everyone else, including SSUSA.
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