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Jan. 15, 2010
tattooball
621 posts
Good info
Take a look at this for info about pitching masks. Not all masks are created equal.

http://www.faceofftruestory.com/#/test-lab/side-impact

Jan. 15, 2010
taits
Men's 65
4396 posts
Interesting and good info. Surprised that all mask were not shown in videos for both frontal and side shots, only the Face off was.
But I believe you are correct, all not equal.
Thanks
Jan. 15, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Are there actually guys whose first reaction is to turn their head? Lord, those guys should NOT be pitching. How would they expect to field a ball they are no longer looking at?
Jan. 15, 2010
tattooball
621 posts
I am doing a little research now to see how many masks have been submitted for NOCSAE approval. I think for saftey sake if you are going to use a mask it should be NOCSAE approved. Some of these impacts are brutal. Imagine having a mask believing you are protected and have an impact this severe. I will post more info about masks that are NOCSAE approved if any.
Jan. 15, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
There's grave and inherent danger in:
crossing a street,
breathing the air,
being American,
being alive.
Context and perspective
give meaning to everything.

Hey Gary.
It's a learned phenomenon
to keep one's head straight
when something is coming fast and directly at it.
You're right.
Pitchers need to have this skill
or get off the mound.
Jan. 15, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Joe, I just can't imagine being out there without the ability to keep your eye on the ball. It would be suicide. Why do guys who instinctively turn their heads insist on pitching? And, maybe worse yet, insist on protection rules, screens, and get mad when some guy wants to use a legitimate part of the field for a base hit.
Jan. 15, 2010
mad dog
Men's 65
3948 posts
kevin hope you can find something on the worth pitcher's helmet and how safe it is.

i also would like to throw out there,that i don't know of anyone who has never flinched on a ball that was hit hard at them,don't care who you are or how tough you think you are.
Jan. 15, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
We must have run in different circles. I have seen plenty.

Has nothing to do with being tough, just being properly schooled to set up, track the ball, and react. You don't get them all, but those who flinch need to be somewhere else.

I learned a long time ago working with kids, espeically finding third basemen, that those who do flinch (and yea some/many do) play somewhere else. Same with this.
Jan. 15, 2010
E4/E6
Men's 60
855 posts
Dirty
We have all seen MLB pitchers flinch or duck to get out of the way.
Do you believe we as seniors are more adept at fielding then a professional MLB player?
MLB hitters drive a hardball about the same speed as a "Lively Ball and Hot Bat" do, or very close to it. Subtract reaction time for age, move the pitcher 5 feet closer and there it is.
Since the new rule is out, we now have options to protect our pitchers.
Like many on this board, I hope we never use a screen!
Jan. 15, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
I think part of that, and while yes they are professional pitchers they don't all seem to have the proper mechanics to get into a good fielding position like more pitchers seemed to in the past, is they are not always in proper position after the pitch and wind up having to bail.

All I am saying is that I don't see many guys just trying to get out of the way, and really never with the guys who you can tell know what they are doing and have been there before.

And, by the way, a good softball pitcher should NOT be five feet closer. An MLB pitcher probably winds up maybe 55' from the plate if not a bit closer. A softball pitcher who does know what he is doing should wind up much closer to 60' away, if not more with the advent of the silly pitcher's box.

Hey, if a guy feels the need to wear gear than he should. But yes, God save the game if we have to go to a ridiculous screen.
Jan. 15, 2010
Omar Khayyam
1003 posts
trumpball, do you know any store in the USA that carries this mask? Very persuasive video, but the only store listed was Combat Sports in Kent, WA, and a look at their website does not currently list this mask.

It has some advantages over current products, even if it weren't as superior in protection. Price? Designed for men (the Rip It is for women and it has good visibility but doesn't fit most chins—rides up onto the lower teeth)? Warranty? Replacement foam rubber parts?
Jan. 15, 2010
Mr. Manassas
230 posts
I have got to say that it is not all that uncommon that on a bad hop or deflection that a pitcher would throw his glove at the ball while flinching away from the the ball. If you think that that scenario does not happen then you have not played the infield in softball or baseball. As a catcher you are trained to face the ball but you have some protection.
Jan. 15, 2010
Pitcherman
Men's 50
40 posts
The only time I have been hit near my head was due to a bad hop. It was a hard shot back up the middle. I went down for the ball and the ball hit the rubber. I had no chance to get my glove back up and just instinctively spun my face out of the way and it drilled me in the side of the head. Lucky for me I have a hard head. I was amazed that I only ended up with a nice headache. So, I can see someone turning their head due to a bad hop and the side protection saving them.
Jan. 15, 2010
tattooball
621 posts
I have started to collect some info on this matter and it does not look as good as I would have liked. It has been a long day so I will post some info later.
Jan. 15, 2010
mad dog
Men's 65
3948 posts
omar i found the worth pitchers helmet on ebay,its light and covers the head.mask is made of light weight metal and not plastic.this faceoff comes from new zeland,and is not out yet,or not avail to us here yet(according to the SBF board,there is a post on this there also).
kevin thanks for the input on the safety of some of these products.
Jan. 15, 2010
RIK56
Men's 50
120 posts
here we go again people telling me to get off the mound.i turn my head when a 100 mph plus bullet is screaming at my head,and guess what i have no problems catching it and if i miss it guess what no face shot.its very easy its all one movement with the glove and head at the same time.i also catch alot of balls behind me lets here your expert opinion about that.i'm against screens,or any rules that are against hitting the middle,i often throw a pitch looking for a middle shot,nothing gets me blood flowing more then a double play when the other team is getting a big inning going.i might not be the best fielding pitcher out there but i think i do a good job at it.
Jan. 15, 2010
lazer larry
Men's 50
96 posts
RIK56, you do a damn good job of it, always made me happy to be standing there doing what you do best.
Jan. 15, 2010
mad dog
Men's 65
3948 posts
RIK56,yep thats what the great ones are saying,you flinch you need to quit playing, or at least playing the INF or pitch.i'm with you,i'll throw a pitch for effect and hopefully i field it clean,now throwing it back to the shortstop to start the double play,well that can be another matter,DOH,LOL.
that catching a ball when the ball is by you,can really stop a team in its tracks.they just stand there and look at you like how the hell did you do that,i just look at them sheepishly and say i got lucky,no sense in getting anything started if ya know what i mean,LOL.
Jan. 15, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Right on Rik.
When you add the early start of reaction
time that happens when any defender
"anticipates" the ball coming to him
and adrenaline which speeds up human
reactions terrifically over normal
lab controlled studies
you get the reason why there aren't
more injuries since we've gone to better equipment.
Also, making the HR's singles instead
of outs will keep almost all
the hot balls off the middle
which will further reduce the probability of getting any pitcher hit.
We need and deserve to play
with a lively bat ball combo
and anything else is self interest,
ignorance and/or minority views
expressing themselves.
Danger of being hurt by a hit/thrown ball is part of the game
we've been playing
ALL OUR LIVES.
Jan. 16, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
RIK, who told you to get off the mound? No one on here that I read.

Can you I assume your eyes are in the front of your head like the rest of us, so when you turn how do you manage to see the ball to catch it with "no problems"? Just curious.

Hey, if you guys think you can play by flinching and turning your head, go for it. Makes no difference to me.

And this 100mph comment is sooooo overused. Baseball catchers handle 100mph balls routinely from the same distance.

sad puppy, why would you respond to these guys' comments? Catch the ball and get ready for the next batter. And what would you start? You did what you were supposed to, made a play, nothing much to say about that.

Jan. 16, 2010
RIK56
Men's 50
120 posts
i cant remember who said it but someone said lord,those guys should not be pitching.not sure who said it but i'm sure i read it.yep eyes are in the front of my head lol,i will try to explain when you move your head your not turning it around you just move it to the side away from the ball,so seeing the ball is still not a problem.and i dont think i can make the play by flinching or turning i know i can.if you want to keep your head in front of the ball and are comfortable with thats great.i know my way is not the normal but it works for me.
Jan. 16, 2010
mad dog
Men's 65
3948 posts
RIK56,how about the one you catch without even looking at it.my dad would throw balls to me and have me look straight at him and just put my glove out where i thought the ball was gonna be to catch it(of course this is after we had practice catching it by looking)for the hard hit or bad bounce type ball.i'll tell ya its the best practice i was given.

ok on the catcher,he is all amoured up and knows where the ball is going(well supposedly)most of the time.99% of the time with a ball in the dirt he is taught to block it and not just glove it.so i'm still failing to see what is the same with them and all the other fielders who have bad bounces and such to deal with.
Jan. 16, 2010
Omar Khayyam
1003 posts
The game is no longer the balanced game we loved to play most of the last 60 years, where offense, defense, base running, and strategy were all important factors. With the advent of the super-hot bats it has become dominated by offense (thus the popular current description—”home run derby”). Since most players are not home run hitters, the majority would love to return to the days where their defense or smarts or legs were equally valuable contributions to a team win.

As one frequent poster says (slightly paraphrased) “we need and deserve to play with a normal bat ball combo and anything else is self interest (like a power-hitting video for sale), ignorance (like only measuring opinion from the small minority of major+ players) and/or minority views expressing themselves (like offense-distorted guys who require the senior bat to fill a ‘need’)”.
Jan. 16, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
What part of we like and we're using
lively bats and balls this year
don't you get, son.
LVSSA, NCSSA, SSUSA, Huntsman,
SPA, just to name a few.
Game, set and match.
But of course, you'll show your principled and a serious man and not play our "lesser game", right?
Hell, you won't say who you are and have no credibility with us, the majority of us.
Now, I know what I looked like
pushing free defensive subbing
that first year.
But at least I had the respect,
courtesy and courage to stand in
and up for my comments.

Lively bat and balls, forever
and senior softball has spoken.
Jan. 16, 2010
a/c
Men's 65
44 posts
Gameface.com light,clear view and cost is right.
Jan. 16, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
And those guys who are bleeding for our game to become slower and injury free
should be supporting going to HRs
as singles/walks because this is a HUGE
reason to keep balls off the middle
especially by the strongest/best hitters.
Jan. 16, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Moving it I understand. Your post, and others, have said "turning" and that would be quite a different thing. And I agree, whatever works for you. But the guys who said turn, and meant it, yea I question if they should be pitching if that is their approach. But again, it makes no difference to me.

Catchers are armored for the tips, NOT for just catching pitches. Watch pitchers throw in the bullpen, the catchers are not wearing all the gear to catch them. And yes, the key is they supposedly know where the ball is going but we all know that is often not the case. Yet they can react in plenty of time.

As far as bad hops, NO infielders wear gear in any form of the game at any level to handle bad hops. That is just the risk you run by playing.
Jan. 16, 2010
mad dog
Men's 65
3948 posts
omar,your so right.the only time the fast guys can use thier legs,is when some fat azz doesn't want to run,as u see i said "doesn't want to" b/c most of the time he can,but is to slow.that is another part of the game that has been taken away.but no these wanna be hero's just want to see how far they can hit a ball,and drag the basehitters down with them.and omar i could care less what your full name or real one is.your posts are very informative and have substnace to them,unlike some who would rather berate you for sticking up for a normal game.
as for making the game injury free no,but making it death free yes.

A/C thier also is a helmet made by worth that is specificaly for pitchers.just as good as the gameface but with top of head coverage,i found it on ebay for 49.99 plus shipping.
Jan. 16, 2010
tattooball
621 posts
Bob,
If you can believe it none of the pitching helmets or masks are tested. After some extensive talks with the NOCSAE lab on friday it appears that a batting helmet with an approved NOCSAE mask is your best bet. Although you should have a padde chin strap like a football helmet. A football helmet is also good but a little bulky.

As you see there is no mention of the word safe in this. Even batting helmets will not withstand a direct blow at 100 mph. There are several factors that will help with an impact. When a pitcher starts to move away from the ball, even 2 inch movement can reduce the impact from 100mph to 70mph.
Jan. 17, 2010
Mr. Manassas
230 posts
I have seen the best players in the country in both baseball and softball play the bad hop in a variety of ways trying to make the play...Why do some people insist on knowing the proper(the only way) way to play this game.
All I have ever said is that at some point you have to take safety into consideration....just a thought...
Jan. 17, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
I saw Butch Hayes just after taking
a one-hopper right between the eyes
at short stop that knocked him clean out.
Went to the hospital in an ambulance
came back a couple of hours later
swollen, black and blue and dazed
and got the tournament winning
pinch hit against us.
I don't think he flinched at all.
That's a man.

Butch embodies the code that I keep referring to that runs all of what we do.
The inner values about life
that give it true meaning and worth.
It's these inner values about manhood,
right and wrong, cheating,
fairness and priorities
that undergird all we do and should do.
Softball has become a man's game
and as such needs to be lively
and somewhat dangerous to be enjoyed.
I think there's a lot of good intentions
if self interested comments being made about us and our game around safety
but for Nancy, (hi Nancy)
and the most of us
leave our game alone and let us have some fun.
No guts, no glory
Lively bats and balls, forever.

Jan. 17, 2010
Rod Sweet
Men's 70
53 posts
The information provided may be good, however that kind of info is now something the pitcher has to put in the of his cap along with all the other things to think about. The pitching position will always be there and the less suggested info I believe the better. In a number of post it is mentioned that if you can't field your position then you should change it, I would like to know how many would come forward and say "I WANT TO PITCH". Maybe the gang should have voted on useing the screen at least their would not be a death threat to the pitcher.
Jan. 17, 2010
Mr. Manassas
230 posts
Einstein,

Are you saying that it is OK to hit the ball at any speed through the infield.....Is that what you are saying?
I want good equipment also, but you have to have some limitations....just common sense...that's all.
Jan. 17, 2010
LP
297 posts
could SSUSA please answer this for me for i did'nt see, if you had to wear a helmet with a mask or can you just wear a mask?

thanks
Jan. 17, 2010
E4/E6
Men's 60
855 posts
"And those guys who are bleeding for our game to become slower and injury free
should be supporting going to HRs
as singles/walks because this is a HUGE
reason to keep balls off the middle
especially by the strongest/best hitters."

If these Great Strong/Best Hitters are that good why cant they avoid the middle at their choosing? Why should the Hr rule be changed once again?

And when did our sport become an Extreme event? When the Senior Bat was first introduced!
Softball in any form was never meant to be as extreme as it has become.
What happened to the idea of working a little harder to improve or build strength & muscle. You want to drive the ball 500', work on it.
MLB Has steroids, Senior Softball has the Hot Bats.
This what we will or should see next to Hall of Fame Names in MLB & Senior Softball! ******
Pre and Post Senior Bats!
Good Balls and Good Bats is all we ever needed and that hasnt changed.

Jan. 17, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
E.
When are we gonna give this a break.
We used hotter more dangerous balls
with single wall bats and no one complained back then.
We been getting dinged, bonked,
dazed and knocked out all our lives
playing hardball and softball
and all of a sudden
we're in mortal danger now????????????
What about Red Dot Worth balls
and Steroids and shaved metal bats
and double walls???????????????
Doesn't make any sense unless you factor in self interest and guys
getting too slow and afraid to play.
C'mon, E.
The War's over at least for this year
and let's get ready to play some ball.

Jan. 17, 2010
Webbie25
Men's 60
1993 posts
It took the powers that be about 3 years back in the 1982-84 seasons to realize the T4000, Hot Dot, and TNPoly were too hot and they did eventually ban them. I was playing open division at the time and we had pretty much a consensus that it was a good move to slow down a bit. Even top infielders back then started playing some 'ole' infield, but I never heard anything about pitchers and going up the middle. I agree, it is a bit like being on steroids, but without having to take them. I certainly will not quit the game whether they slow it down a bit or not, and I don't know anyone that would.
It was 55 degrees here today-2 hour practice!!!!Yeah! Let's play ball!!
Jan. 17, 2010
mad dog
Men's 65
3948 posts
yep webbie but some don't want to believe,like the same for college/high school BB and the aluminum bat,they were told they had to be no more than a -3 drop length/weight ratio when the lighter ones turn out to be to hot for use.they seem to be still playing,mmmm.
i also will defy anyone to find a single wall bat that even comes close to what we are using today(even with a blue or red dot ball),even the titanium bat is not real close to the composites of today,so don't tell me they are.
Jan. 17, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Now I know what I looked like
the first year I was pushing for platooning and nobody else was.
Cheez, guys.
Give it a rest.

Tons of us would stop playing senior ball if we go to whiffle bats and balls
but interestingly none of us will chose
not to play if we keep the "dangerous"
and unfair and ego driven brand
of the present day.
What's that all about.
SSUSA, LVSSA, NCSSA, Huntsman and SPA
just to name a few
have all endorsed the preferred bat/ball standard for the 2010.
Thanks, again, SSUSA for moving
in our direction, stopping the slide
past very good 44 x 375 balls
and 1.2 bats.
Now, let's all get ready to play ball.


Jan. 17, 2010
tinman
Men's 50
75 posts
IT STARTED A LONG TIME AGO WITH THE DEMARINI DOUBLE WALL BAT. POLY CORE BALLS WERE THE NORM AND MOON SHOTS BEGAN.HONED OUT SINGLE WALL BATS STARTED AROUND THE SAME TIME FOR THOSE WHO DIDNT WANT TO SPEND THE MONEY TO COMPETE WITH THE DOUBLE WALL.REMEMBER THE PINGS FROM THE SINGLE WALL.A GOOD BAT 25 YEARS AGO WITH A RED DOT WENT A LONG WAY.FYI,I HAVE A NEW DUDLEY T4000 BALL WITH A WARNING LABEL ON IT,NOT FOR SALE BUT COOL TO SEE.
Jan. 17, 2010
mad dog
Men's 65
3948 posts
tinman,i don't think a lot of people were shaving/honing out the single wall bats back in the day,they already were thin and wouldn't last but maybe 50 swings tops before denting up bad.the double walls didn't come out till the early/mid 90's.

also a 1.2 bats doesn't stay that way very long,senior bats will be that way for maybe 75 swings than they go up.if you really want to use them,then ss-usa should get the comp tester's and test before every tournament and not let the ones in that test beyond specs.if you really want to hit the 1.2 lets make sure it stays at 1.2 bpf.
Jan. 18, 2010
tattooball
621 posts
Red dots have a lower SI than todays ball so they were not nearly as dagerous, also the exit speed of the ball was far less than today.

As for the t4000 ball. The new ball that we have developed is the same cor and compression as the old balls that everyone claims was so dagerous. The fact is that they travel approximatly 11 mph slower through the infield. In fact the new ball was dangerous compared to the equipment of the day, yet is much much safer than the equipment of today. Why weren't you complaining when they banned them so many years ago? The only difference between the t-4000 and the new ball is the old ball was made od surlyn and e.v.a. and the new ball is made of poly, which means the new ball does not go out of round like the old ones.

So to summmerize, no one complained when the high cor low comp balls were banned, no one complained when the ti bats were banned all for saftey.

Yet today you use equipment that exceeds the performance of both of these.
Jan. 18, 2010
Webbie25
Men's 60
1993 posts
Einstein-you say we have voted by playing with the hot combo. I haven't seen a senior tournament that offers an alternative--ie maybe USSSA approved bats only. Wonder what would happen if there was. And, I daresay everybody on here loves the game (enough to be talking about it) and no one is going to quit over this. It's kinda like the Democratic majority voting on bills they haven't even read yet, but ramming them through because they have the 'filibusterproof majority'. Maybe we need a senior softballwide vote-democratically conducted, to see how people feel. Might be an interesting vote.(Wonder how many votes we would get from deceased players!)
Jan. 18, 2010
tinman
Men's 50
75 posts
mad dog,YOU ARE CORRECT,VERY FEW HAD SHAVED BATS AND THE FACTORY'S BEGAN TO THIN THE WALLS WITH NO WARRANTY.trumpball,IF THOSE ARE FACTS,GOOD INFO.
Jan. 18, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
An actual vote would mean very little. The best way to vote is with your wallet. If you don't like the current rules, don't pay for the tournaments. That would send the best, if not only, message.

An example. If screens are ever mandated, I won't be there.
Jan. 18, 2010
#19
Men's 60
252 posts
the percentage of softball players who contribute to this message board is miniscule and, therefore, insignificant
Jan. 18, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Senior softball has already voted
and spoken with actions and money.
Game, set and match guys.
To quote Melissa Manchester,
"Haven't we both got better things to do?"
I do.
I'm managing a brand new team
for NCSSA and like Joe Lecak,
am excited and full of anticipation
for the coming year.
See lots of you in Reno.
Jan. 18, 2010
Lecak
Men's 55
1012 posts
Webbie25 I believe an alternatives have been offered and very recently. If I remember correctly ISSA offered ASA standards and saw their attendance go way down and last year brought back the hotter combo. UTRIP is trying to get back into senior ball and struggling with the fact that they won't offer the hotter combo. And I believe NSA vacated senior ball several years ago due to lack of interest.

There were choices as Dirty message teams voted with their pocketbooks and didn't attend.
Jan. 18, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
I am a little surprised/disappointed that middle-age guys have such little pride that they are willing to change/ruin the game with PPRs or screens just so they can have their hero bats and need technology to do for them what they clearly won't try to do for themselves with some sweat and effort.

But it is what it is, obviously.
Jan. 18, 2010
E4/E6
Men's 60
855 posts
All its going to take is ONE (1) successful law suit to bring the ball/bat standard to a sane level. This is an unfortunate truth.
Joe, how long have you been preaching the "Lively Ball/Hot Bat issue?
I'm guessing we havent heard the end, yet.
Joe, I hope we can meet in Reno and talk this over. Maybe walk around and take a poll on our own.
You like music? Let me quote the Carpenters, "We've only just begun" =)

Gary, you are right about the techno issue and hero bats. However you are wrong about another issue, everyone playing Senior ball is well past middle age. Another unfortunate truth.

"less governing is a good thing, always take the steps necessary to govern yourselves"


Jan. 18, 2010
mad dog
Men's 65
3948 posts
kevin great info,lets wait to see what the hot bat/ball conbo's have to say,most likely nothing.

dipty,you don't attend now so what would the difference be,attend tourney's and maybe we could actually take you seriously.

senior softball has not voted,its the assoc who are doind this,joe L rb(issa) and the boys were using a terrible ball with the ASA bats that's what really led to his down fall IMO.

tinman yep they didn't shave but the major guys who had bat contracts could get their bats end loaded anyway they wanted.
Jan. 18, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
sad puppy, stay tuned!

John, I was trying to be politically correct. I still like to think I am hanging in at middle-age, though my kids tell me differently. :)
Jan. 18, 2010
E4/E6
Men's 60
855 posts
Gary, I know what you are saying, now my grandkids are on the age bandwagon.
Little Peckerwood Dipshits! =)
Jan. 18, 2010
taits
Men's 65
4396 posts
dirty,
He a MLB pitcher is throwing at 55 feet ihe is no doubt illegal or a giant. mound distance is 60'6" and you need to be in contact with it. Do us all a favor and get real on here.
The are still waiting for the key to batting 1k.
Re the vote technique, that is the only meaningful vote, but it will not be voted upon enough to make a difference. We still will continue to come.
trumpball,
I doubt many has pc back when the Ti came out, so the 'complaints' out there would not be as 'vocal' as they now are. Let alone websites like today. Prodigy, Comu$erve and AOL had some message boards but not like it is now.
einstein,
The backwards slide his not just the bats and balls alone taking a dive, its that and lawsuits. You know what I mean. Injurious actions however caused. The he said she said and bloody moments out there.
#19
It would be interesting to see the thousands of those not on here. But even a hand full might mean more. However,r I know many guys that still do not have a pc and rely on a phone call or the like for info.

If they (anyone) put it on, we well continue to show up and then complain about something.
Much has changed, and will continue to change. But reminiscing is just that, the past. It's nice to reflect, but it isn't the present and surely not the future.
Jan. 18, 2010
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Hey John.
All my life.
Sounds great and look forward to it.
See you in Reno.
Law suit.
LAW suit.
Law SUIT?
LAW SUIT!
You mean this is about a
Law suit.
LAW suit
Law SUIT?...
(special thanks to Allen Iverson)
Jan. 18, 2010
tattooball
621 posts
Scott our team was playing on the last weekend in 1994 when they were banned. We would not swing them nor did we need to. I can remember that everyone was glad they were being banned on monday, even the players that owned them.
Jan. 18, 2010
taits
Men's 65
4396 posts
einstein,
Polyester, leisure 'suit' style... lol
Trumpball,
I liked mine, all 3 but got them banned from area when I hit a pitcher. Until then, they were allowed.
I dented one of them in two spots. Only a slight more pop. Some other bats were more durable.
The Ti's were now as good as what is available even in U-trip, possibly some ASA's as well. (some Stealth, Synergy's, Mayhems)
I liked the Blue dots back then and still do.
Jan. 18, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
Scott, watch a baseball game this spring. If you need to, watch the pitcher in slow motion. NO pitcher is still in contact with the rubber when he releases the ball. NONE. That is just not how it works.
Jan. 18, 2010
taits
Men's 65
4396 posts
The motion is to start from the mound & be in contact with it. Yes he can and does come off when in full motion. I'd guess someone isn't doing their job from what you say.
Here is a demo video. http://www.webball.com/cms/page7669.cfm?bioforce/bioforcedemo4

I only go to the Grizzles games on occasion ( they play here) but have seen pitchers called for not being in contact usually by 1st or 3rd umps. HP ump usually can't see it.
Jan. 18, 2010
Webbie25
Men's 60
1993 posts
One thing you all forget is a pitcher is throwing 80-100 and you can't just sit back and aim for a pitcher as a hitter. Of course there are shots up the middle but that happens. In our game, you can pretty much put the ball where you want to and it is the number of drives up the middle that raises the chances of a pitcher getting hit to considerably more than in baseball.I pitched through college and had a few drives at me. You get in position to be ready for it when following through. It is part of the game.
Jan. 19, 2010
Airbosn
Men's 65
322 posts
Gee! A good Lacrosse helmet would meet all the requirements. Every watch those Lacrosse guys beat each up and fling that "Rock" into each other? LOL
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