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Discussion: Flared or cone knob ???

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Jan. 16, 2010
seniorsbfart
45 posts
Flared or cone knob ???
what is the purpose of putting a flared coned knob on your bat ?
Jan. 17, 2010
DoubleL10
Men's 65
811 posts
For me it's two things: (1) comfort and (2) it allows me to extend another finger off the knob giving me a little "longer" bat.
Jan. 17, 2010
seniorsbfart
45 posts
What is I hold the bat in the normal way ? what would cone flare do ? I have heard it makes it easier on the hands to swing. Is this true ?
Jan. 17, 2010
mad dog
Men's 60
3929 posts
senior,not sure it would,but if you drop a finger or two off the end,it gives you a little better grip.if you don't drop any fingers off the end i'm not sure if it helps any.i know this doesn't help ya any but thats all i can tell ya on this.
Jan. 17, 2010
tinman
Men's 50
75 posts
I AGREE WITH DoubleL10.I WOULD NOT HIT WITHOUT IT AND MANY HAVE FOLLOWED AFTER TRYING MY BATS.
Jan. 18, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
senior, FYI. If you are looking to drop fingers, overlap, or any other non-standard grip they can all be done just as easily without any gizmos.
Jan. 18, 2010
Rip
20 posts
Yes you can do it without the cone but in my opinion its not even close to being as comfortable. With the cost for one being between $3 to $5 get one unless you're very frugal.
Jan. 18, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
I am sure people can be different, but I have been dropping two fingers for over 20 years and started interlocking a couple of years ago without any contraptions and no discomfort at all.

My son played baseball into college dropping his pinky, and again no discomfort.

Not a matter of money at all, it just isn't needed.
Jan. 18, 2010
mad dog
Men's 60
3929 posts
so a cone is a gizzmo now,yeah right.i guess as usual dipty you have nothing good or useful to say,so you have to demean it.to me i use it and feel real comfortable with them,it gives me a better grip on the bat handle.i actually started building up with tape at the knob long before the knob cuff came out,guess that is a gimmick also.
Jan. 18, 2010
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
What would you call it? It sure isn't part of the stock bat.

All I was doing was clarifying that it is not essential for altering the standard grip, and that it sure isn't a matter of money. Why so sensitive, sad puppy? That time of the month?

And yes, that use of tape would be a gimmick too. Why are you always so insecure?
Jan. 18, 2010
diehard
Men's 55
245 posts
For years I used tape to taper the end of my bats. A few years ago I switched to the Knobcuff because some associations do not allow you to taper the bat with tape, it is considered altering the bat. So it is easier to remove a knobcuff than it is to remove tape. I find the use of a tapered end to be more comfortable to me. It's just a personal preference. There are many players in MLB that taper the end of their bats, and I'm sure they would say the same thing. Whether you need it or not, is not the question. But, as a hitter, if you feel it helps you in any way, then that's all that matters.
Jan. 18, 2010
Enviro-Vac
Men's 60
391 posts
For me itís comfort. I have mild arthritis in my bottom three fingers of my bottom hand and find a flare or cone reduces the stress on the bottom three fingers.
Jan. 18, 2010
taits
Men's 65
4345 posts
Comfort. Fits very nicely between the palm and pinky finger when gripping the bat.
They have 3 types I know of; the orig cone, then one a little longer with 2 groves or areas for fingers and another that is also longer but has a ring you attach to pinky the finger and then attach to bat so when you swing and release the bat it stays with you. It becomes a part of you in case their illegal where you play or so the theory goes.
Jan. 19, 2010
seniorsbfart
45 posts
I ordered one on line and will give it a try. Also ordered a new bat so maybe all the newest will change my hitting for the good LOL.
Jan. 19, 2010
4Four4
Men's 60
82 posts
Is it illegal to have more than 2 layers of tape but not illegal to use things like these?? I'm not against either but this seems inconsistant to me.
DH - #4
The Tub
Jan. 19, 2010
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
4Four4,
At the National Tournament,they made me take the tape off the knob before I could use it.
Jan. 19, 2010
diehard
Men's 55
245 posts
4Four4,

It is legal in SSUSA and SPA, except for the tape like #6 said. But not legal in ASA or ISSA.
Jan. 19, 2010
SLOBALL1
Men's 50
173 posts
knob cuffs are not legal ASA
Jan. 19, 2010
salio2k
Men's 60
548 posts
Rule 3, Section 1D Safety Grip.........
last sentence,........A bat having a flare or cone shaped grip attached is legal.

The rule was changed last year.
Jan. 19, 2010
diehard
Men's 55
245 posts
Salio,

Is that rule for ASA? Because I had to take mine off last year in Burlington.
Jan. 19, 2010
taits
Men's 65
4345 posts
That's ASA.
Jan. 19, 2010
taits
Men's 65
4345 posts
Second time this has happened coming BACK to this page from another site.
Rule was re done in Nov 09 took effect 2010.
Jan. 19, 2010
diehard
Men's 55
245 posts
Thanks Salio
Jan. 19, 2010
seniorsbfart
45 posts
ASA rule change: ASA now allows cone/fared knobs. They made the change starting 2010 according our P&R ASA director.
Jan. 19, 2010
mad dog
Men's 60
3929 posts
yes ASA did change(knob cuff allowed) effective 1 jan 10,they also jacked the pitching height,which now is 6-10' from 6-12'.
Jan. 20, 2010
4Four4
Men's 60
82 posts
#6 and guys - Thanks. I was made to take a single layer of tape off my bat during a tourney game (in Canada) and it ruined the underlying grip beneath for the rest of the weekend.
I will try this cone at the cages - I drop 1 finger now and would like it even higher.
DH - #4
The Tub
Feb. 5, 2010
seniorsbfart
45 posts
After a few weeks with a the flared knob my hitting has improved. Seems to be more gentle on my hands. So how my hitting has gone from really bad to not-so-bad....

PS: This new Veteran bat has turned out to be a great bat and wondered if any of you guys have also hit one ?
Feb. 5, 2010
Stretch14
Men's 50
185 posts
I've been on a lot of websites and I've been told it's legal and it's not legal to have a bat rolled. Does anybody know or does it say in the rule book? Thanks..
Feb. 6, 2010
seniorsbfart
45 posts
As best I can tell the flared knob is legal in senior softball. Many of the players have them on their bats.
Not sure about 'rolled' as I how that relates to the knob. I do remember a bat called the axe which had a axe handle and we started to use it at the Huntsman games but the ump told us it was not legal in senior softball. However the flare I put on my bat is more like a cone...guess it is one in the same.
Feb. 6, 2010
andy25
Men's 50
17 posts
Never understood why any of the softball organizations made the flared knob illegal. It certainly doesn't enhance or alter the performance of the bat. I hang two fingers off the end of the bat, I'm a top hand push hitter and it helps me eliminate some of the top spin. I don't use a cone but if it makes you feel more comfortable, why not, no harm, no foul.
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