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| June 3, 2005 Robo2 238 posts | Home Run Policy One thing I do not understand: what is the purpose of having a Home Run limit? Think about it, if teams win, they move up to higer rankings. All it does is cause a regretion to the mean - average out the teams within a classification. It also puts pitchers at greater risk because the easiest hit is up the middle and if a person can hit HRs, then they surely can hit the ball hard up the middle. Also, if you have a limit of 5 runs per inning, it would save time not prolong games, especially that most tournaments do not make you run them out. So what's the point? Maybe there will be more teams in the Major + and Major levels and enhance the appeal to play more than just a few of the same old teams. |
| June 3, 2005 BruceinGa Men's 70 3233 posts | I believe that by making over the limit hrs a single there is a less desire to hit up the middle. If the penalty for hitting an over the limit hr is an out, I am probably hitting up the middle. I don't like the 5 runs per at bat rule. It takes away our big innings. I do see that it is an equalizer. Maybe Major Plus should be unlimited hrs. |
| June 5, 2005 audieh Men's 60 249 posts | I agree unlimited homeruns is the way to go in major and major plus. We play this game for fun and when you limit your powerful hitters than the fun is gone for them. The first thing the members of my team ask when we discuss a national tournament is what bats, what ball and what are the limits on the homeruns. We choose to play where we have the most fun. I played last weekend in Maui and after trying to hit a 40 core ball long with little success decided my best bet was to hit up the middle! That shouldn't be. The associations need to understand this and somebody please start a players unionor association that has the players vote on the rules. I'm hoping that Ed Rose out of Flkorida with his FSSA will get active and create some tournaments for the players! |
| June 6, 2005 BruceinGa Men's 70 3233 posts | Gary, my basehit swing is totally different from my home run swing. If I am swinging for the fences I am swinging at 95-100%. If I am swinging for a basehit up the middle, the 3-4 or 5-6 hole, I am only swinging at 60-80%. Another difference between the two is my swing plane. |
| June 6, 2005 turn2 489 posts | the major plus division should be able to hit unlimited home runs. there are only 10-12 teams in the 50's and about the same in the 55's, so why limit them? bruce you are right, the 5 runs per inning is a load of crap. what has softball come to. before long you might have to start swinging with 1 hand or the opposite way you usually swing. let the teams that want to compete do so.there are only 10-12 teams in the major plus division.let them play real softball. later, donnie |
| June 8, 2005 BruceinGa Men's 70 3233 posts | With me, its all about where the defense plays. If the ss plays me up the middle, I might try to hit between him and 3b; the same for the second baseman. I'll put it this way, would you rather try to hit a ground ball past a ss standing 80' from you or a pitcher standing 55' from you. Any more tips and I'll have to charge you. lol |
| June 9, 2005 taits Men's 65 4548 posts | HR run ruleÖfood for thought Why in the lower brackets do the AA guys get an outÖI must be missing something here. All they are doing IMO is keeping lower division teams from improving. Why not piss everyone off and reverse it. Flip the HR rules, but at least allow what would otherwise be a HR, a single. Why penalize a player totally for a good hit. Even 40-45 teams get a HR from what I was told, tho, I do not know it that is for all brackets. Perhaps more accurate record keeping of players records should take place to see if for example a major player is playing down a bracket or two to boost power when appropriate for them. Too many different rules out there for the same situation. |
| June 10, 2005 mad dog Men's 65 4191 posts | i think the reason for hr limits is to keep the people with power from dropping down and playing lower divisions.in young ball they do it,in fact not to many years ago in D usssa you were ejected from the game.NSA has the progressive rule that i like,if you hit a hr when you are not supposed to they give the other team a run,if you do it a second time they get 2 runs and it keeps going up for every hr hit.my thoughts on this is if you want to hit it out play upper division ball. |
| June 10, 2005 Robo2 238 posts | Once again, if all divisions have unlimited then the best teams win the tournaments. Once a team wins it goes up to a higher level. That is how the game is meant to be played. Not by changing rules to allow lesser teams stay close to a better team. This applies to A, AA, AAA, Major, and Major +. I would think that winning at a lower level than one is capable of is meaningless. That is why we all play tournaments and our local 50 & over leagues teams stay home. It is no fun to beat a team that is very much lower in quality; or in getting beat by a team that is vastly better. By hiding talent by restricting HRs also allows these better players to remain in a lower level bracket. The game has rules of it's own. I see no need to change them. |
| June 10, 2005 turn2 489 posts | there are too many divisions also in the senior program. it seems everybody wants to win so a lot of teams play down as much as they can. you do not need 4 diff. maybe 2-3 would be better and spread the runs or home runs where there is a bigger gap.now it is 1,2,3 and 6 home runs for each division i think. this is too close of a gap. just my opinion. thanks, donnie |
| Aug. 9, 2005 crayzrj Men's 55 3 posts | i played in a tourney where our opponebts were playing down. the fences were 268'. they hit 16 homeruns in a row (1-1 rule) the only thing i got out of that game was a literal sore neck watching balls fly over the fence. BORING. a one dimensional game. hey, have a home-run derby. with short fences and hot bats the proportion of home-runs hit in a game become a gross distortion of softball. a one skill demo generally related to size. the advantage of bulk is one facet . to have a truly good game all skills ought to be significant. unlimitrd homeruns only when fences are 350'? then only really gifted players can hit them and homeruns will re-occupy their proper and proportional place in the game and players will have to fully utilize their full basket of skills and the teams will have have to have multiply skilled players to be truly great. |
| Aug. 10, 2005 taits Men's 65 4548 posts | MadDog (B.B.) & Crayzjr (R.S.) As for the Hr rule and playing down... I believe you have about 4 major players on your team, and your playing "AA" ball, And players change between tournaments. Go figure. Great team and Guys tho. R.S. I doubt they could find the room to add the fence distance. But a good idea. Let the AA boys hit them out and restrict the others from my point of view. Harder for a Major player to hold back than let it go. Same for bottom end, but reversed. Most games are won or lost due to defense, There isn't any need for it, if their hitting them out. One up rule works well, but could be a little better in 7th, possibly. |
| Aug. 10, 2005 mad dog Men's 65 4191 posts | other than myself please let me know who our major players are,as usaul you don't know what u are talking about.hell u can't play major.if u let the AA's have hr's u are asking for trouble,i'm sorry if u don't know how to hit to be able to keep it in the park with your great power,what major team do u play for again?yes i do have power but know how to hit to be able keep it in.i do think the hr rule for upper div teams (major and major+)is a joke major should get at least 7 and make the rest outs, not singles, major +'s should be unlimited, the AAA should be 3 and then outs,AA is your defence and basehitting div.i think all hrs over the limits should be outs, and not singles.people u need to learn how to hit |
| Aug. 11, 2005 Robo2 238 posts | I see a lot of opinions and many vary. But is it me or does each individual that wants to restrict the offense also complain about the UII and boundaries. The best torunament I attedned recently was Plano. Good balls, 2 umpires per game, no time limit, no run limit - the only thing that keep teams close was the HR limit (3+1 up and singles). Some teams hit 15 (12 were singles). By keeping them singles it keeps teams like that from going to the next level and the lesser quality teams will never have a chance of winning a tournament. Let the game be played as it was meant to be and allow the bats and eliminate boundaries. Eventually, if directors watch rosters and team name changes, all teams will arrive at a competitive level of play. Wouldn't that be great? Then many of the complaints will stop about bats, run limits, time limits, HR limits. The morre you restrict teams the more you hold teams back to lower levels. Just play the game. |
